Iowa's plan for when the Brands retire?

[Tripnsweep]

I wonder how much longer the Brands intend to stay with it. Until they're both dead or at least one of them is? Or will they at some point realize it's time to go? Is Iowa banking on Spencer Lee sticking around that long? Is there a transition plan in place already? Not trolling, just curious what the plan is, if there is one. I feel like Iowa could have shifted the Brands to the Hawkeye Club or doing something in the athletic department and gotten Taylor. 

[AgaveMaria]

David Taylor was never an option for Iowa. He is outside the family. They want someone steeped in Iowa culture, preferrably of the Gable stable.

Iowa is not ready for a complete culture change. That is what they got with Gary Kurelemeier & Dan Gable & they will ride that horse into the ground and never, ever admit it is not winning.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

David Taylor was never an option for Iowa. He is outside the family. They want someone steeped in Iowa culture, preferrably of the Gable stable.

Iowa is not ready for a complete culture change. That is what they got with Gary Kurelemeier & Dan Gable & they will ride that horse into the ground and never, ever admit it is not winning.

Interesting.  Now what were your thoughts on Oklahoma State 12 months ago?

[ionel]

6 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I wonder how much longer the Brands intend to stay with it. Until they're both dead or at least one of them is? Or will they at some point realize it's time to go? Is Iowa banking on Spencer Lee sticking around that long? Is there a transition plan in place already? Not trolling, just curious what the plan is, if there is one. I feel like Iowa could have shifted the Brands to the Hawkeye Club or doing something in the athletic department and gotten Taylor. 

Jimmy Cinnabon is your friend.  @Jimmy Cinnabon!!!

[AgaveMaria]

54 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Interesting.  Now what were your thoughts on Oklahoma State 12 months ago?

Simple. John Smith was that old "you kids get off my damn lawn" guy. He looked tired and short tempered. It was time to retire and it showed. He was great, but the job was wearing on him, hard.

John came in with 6 world titles as an OSU wrestler.

Taylor comes in with World Titles and is not an OSU wrestler.

Maybe it was time to move on and Taylor seemed the best fit, with his history & coming from a winning program and the top College coach today.

He obviously presented well to the search committee & bosses.

Hope he works out.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said:

Simple. John Smith was that old "you kids get off my damn lawn" guy. He looked tired and short tempered. It was time to retire and it showed. He was great, but the job was wearing on him, hard.

John came in with 6 world titles as an OSU wrestler.

Taylor comes in with World Titles and is not an OSU wrestler.

Maybe it was time to move on and Taylor seemed the best fit, with his history & coming from a winning program and the top College coach today.

He obviously presented well to the search committee & bosses.

Hope he works out.

You missed the point.  

You claimed Iowa would never go outside the Gable tree.

Most would have said something similar about OSU a year ago.  

(so far, this looks like a great move, but no one saw it coming in 2023.  It was Perry or Scott or Pendleton or Branch)

Edited December 29, 2024 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Hammerlock3]

The guys who is an Iowa State fan, and a better wrestling personality than 234523 pyles combined, did a breakdown of Brands "performance" as head coach at Iowa, and for most metrics, especially the ones he's actually paid for, he's doing quite well. 

[alex1fly]

They don’t know. The Brands have a contract through like 2029 right? 
 

OSU was going to hire from within but boosters stepped in and influenced the deal. Plus the timing of WTT. 
 

Iowa will want someone worthy of a dynasty, from within or without.

Edited December 29, 2024 by alex1fly

[Wrestleknownothing]

Only one coach has been better during Brands' tenure. Retirement doesn't look like it is needed to me at this point.

[Caveira]

It’s like we get 4 or 5 of these every year.   

[Le duke]

Only one coach has been better during Brands' tenure. Retirement doesn't look like it is needed to me at this point.

I’m fairly certain a potato could coach Iowa to a top 5 finish most years.

The brand, while slightly diminished, is still very strong.


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[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

You missed the point.  

You claimed Iowa would never go outside the Gable tree.

Most would have said something similar about OSU a year ago.  

(so far, this looks like a great move, but no one saw it coming in 2023.  It was Perry or Scott or Pendleton or Branch)

there is no reason to engage this piece of crap. they are an anti white anti christian scummer. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, Le duke said:

I’m fairly certain a potato could coach Iowa to a top 5 finish most years.

The brand, while slightly diminished, is still very strong.


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Nebraska football.  Miami football.  Florida state...

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

there is no reason to engage this piece of crap. they are an anti white anti christian scummer. 

????????

[Wrestleknownothing]

41 minutes ago, Le duke said:

I’m fairly certain a potato could coach Iowa to a top 5 finish most years.

The brand, while slightly diminished, is still very strong.


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The Brands brothers are a huge part of the brand. You cannot separate them, so they get credit for that too, to my way of thinking.

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

It’s like we get 4 or 5 of these every year.   

Just wait until Cinnabon gets cranking mid January.

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The Brands brothers are a huge part of the brand. You cannot separate them, so they get credit for that too, to my way of thinking.

My perception of the Brands/Iowa brand has definitely taken a hit over the last handful of years. Of course they will continue to be relevant and land some top end recruits, but it seems like, 10 or so years ago, Iowa was a more highly sought after destination where it seems they are landing the real blue chippers at a noticeably lower rate. I'm not sure if this is because so many more blue chippers are going to Penn St, or if they prefer to spend their money on transfers rather than recruiting, or if the "you just have to be the toughest guy on the mat" and hyper-intensity of the Brand just isn't as appealing today's kids as it has been in the past.

I had a similar feeling with John Smith the last handful of years. I felt like Ok St wasn't landing top end recruits at the clip they had in the past, and the several guys going there weren't developing as expected. I thought it was time to bring in someone new to reinvigorate the program, despite how much I have always like John Smith.

[Wrestleknownothing]

21 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

My perception of the Brands/Iowa brand has definitely taken a hit over the last handful of years. Of course they will continue to be relevant and land some top end recruits, but it seems like, 10 or so years ago, Iowa was a more highly sought after destination where it seems they are landing the real blue chippers at a noticeably lower rate. I'm not sure if this is because so many more blue chippers are going to Penn St, or if they prefer to spend their money on transfers rather than recruiting, or if the "you just have to be the toughest guy on the mat" and hyper-intensity of the Brand just isn't as appealing today's kids as it has been in the past.

I had a similar feeling with John Smith the last handful of years. I felt like Ok St wasn't landing top end recruits at the clip they had in the past, and the several guys going there weren't developing as expected. I thought it was time to bring in someone new to reinvigorate the program, despite how much I have always like John Smith.

While I agree with all of this, one key differentiator is Bramds has stayed more relevant than Smith was at the end. 

I just looked up Smith's age because I thought he was much older than Brands. I was shocked to see he is only 59.

[1032004]

The Brands do a good job and aren’t particularly old.

Spencer seems like the obvious successor if he’s interested.  I’d like to see him actually be an assistant for a few years then maybe take over after winning gold at LA 2028

[BruceyB]

6 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

While I agree with all of this, one key differentiator is Bramds has stayed more relevant than Smith was at the end. 

I just looked up Smith's age because I thought he was much older than Brands. I was shocked to see he is only 59.

I do agree. I'm not saying that the time for a change is now, but it's eerily similar to how I felt about Ok St especially starting 4-5 years ago. If the gap between Iowa and Penn St keeps widening over the next handful or years, and Ok St starts closing the gap.. I wouldn't be surprised if a change is made.

[CHROMEBIRD]

11 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

Is Iowa banking on Spencer Lee sticking around that long?

I was under the impression that Spencer was interested in a more administrative career path, like his dad, and wanted to be an AD or something like that. It would probably be a good thing for the sport. 

Metcalf, Ramos, DSJ seem well-positioned to succeed TnT, and I assume they would take the job, but it's hard to tell.

As far as the program's brand, the Brands (and Zelesky) inherited and emulated the culture that Gable created. The big debate around here is whether the Iowa Style grindset culture still works today. Tom is a solid head coach, but he doesn't seem like the type of person to innovate a program. He lives and breathes within the guardrails he knows best.

[Caveira]

34 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I do agree. I'm not saying that the time for a change is now, but it's eerily similar to how I felt about Ok St especially starting 4-5 years ago. If the gap between Iowa and Penn St keeps widening over the next handful or years, and Ok St starts closing the gap.. I wouldn't be surprised if a change is made.

I’m out at dinner so can’t really look up.  I’m under the understanding smiths finished over the last 5/10/12 or so years are statistically much worse than Iowas.  No team not named psu has a better standing on average than Iowa.  
 

Making a mountain out of nothing imo…. This thread showing up year after year after year.   I think it’s Just many don’t like the brand’s intense personality….. and many don’t like Iowa from back in their glory days.  
 

notice.   Cinnabon style the op just plopped his negative comments out there to stir the pot and hasn’t said a peep since.   Classic troll thread.   

[ionel]

5 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

You claimed Iowa would never go outside the Gable tree.

Most would have said something similar about OSU a year ago.  

(so far, this looks like a great move, but no one saw it coming in 2023.  It was Perry or Scott or Pendleton or Branch)

ahh ... DT is a branch off the OSU tree, Griffith tree to be exact.  

[BruceyB]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I’m out at dinner so can’t really look up.  I’m under the understanding smiths finished over the last 5/10/12 or so years are statistically much worse than Iowas.  No team not named psu has a better standing on average than Iowa.  
 

Making a mountain out of nothing imo…. This thread showing up year after year after year.   I think it’s Just many don’t like the brand’s intense personality….. and many don’t like Iowa from back in their glory days.  
 

notice.   Cinnabon style the op just plopped his negative comments out there to stir the pot and hasn’t said a peep since.   Classic troll thread.   

When it comes to their NCAA placement, sure I'll give you that. But how about incoming recruits? How about development of those recruits? Their 49, 57, 65, and 197 pound wrestlers are all products of prior environments. Their four most dependable NCAA tourney point scorers aren't even from their own program.

Looking back at recent recruiting classes.. (not including 2024 or 2025 classes because they haven't competed yet)

2023: Kueter and Arnold are both Freshman starters and have a lot of upside.

2022: 0 AA's and not a single recruit on the starting roster

2021:  1 AA. Ayala is the only contributor from this class.

2020: Zero AA's and Patrick Kennedy is the only relevant name, and he has yet to AA.

2019: Zero AA's and zero current starters.

In their last five classes, only three recruits are currently in their starting roster.. and just a single recruit has reached the podium in march. They have two promising freshmen, so they may help break this trend.

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

When it comes to their NCAA placement, sure I'll give you that. But how about incoming recruits? How about development of those recruits? Their 49, 57, 65, and 197 pound wrestlers are all products of prior environments. Their four most dependable NCAA tourney point scorers aren't even from their own program.

Looking back at recent recruiting classes.. (not including 2024 or 2025 classes because they haven't competed yet)

2023: Kueter and Arnold are both Freshman starters and have a lot of upside.

2022: 0 AA's and not a single recruit on the starting roster

2021:  1 AA. Ayala is the only contributor from this class.

2020: Zero AA's and Patrick Kennedy is the only relevant name, and he has yet to AA.

2019: Zero AA's and zero current starters.

In their last five classes, only three recruits are currently in their starting roster.. and just a single recruit has reached the podium in march. They have two promising freshmen, so they may help break this trend.

Bla.  Bla the game changed so you adapt.  Where did messenbrink come from ?   Or kerk.  Or nagoo.  Or truax.   Or dean.   
 

it’s a fact.  They have had the #1 best results over time not counting psu.   

Edited December 29, 2024 by Caveira