Would Fix have won one with Taylor coaching?

[AgaveMaria]

Watching a few Oklahoma State matches and many of the wrestlers look to be much more aggressive on the mat. Going for it rather than sitting & waiting.

Would Taylor coaching have been enough to put Dayton Fix over the top for at least one NCAA Title?

[Truzzcat]

2 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said:

Watching a few Oklahoma State matches and many of the wrestlers look to be much more aggressive on the mat. Going for it rather than sitting & waiting.

Would Taylor coaching have been enough to put Dayton Fix over the top for at least one NCAA Title?

I think this will be easier to speak on after the next year of freestyle.

[Winners Circle]

8 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said:

Watching a few Oklahoma State matches and many of the wrestlers look to be much more aggressive on the mat. Going for it rather than sitting & waiting.

Would Taylor coaching have been enough to put Dayton Fix over the top for at least one NCAA Title?

Maybe, but I bet Gable Stevenson would have never stepped away from the sport.

[CHROMEBIRD]

13 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Maybe, but I bet Gable Stevenson would have never stepped away from the sport.

Would he beat Messenbrink though?

[Winners Circle]

31 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Would he beat Messenbrink though?

Mensenbrick would be a tough matchup for anyone, even Younger Bastida. 

[ionel]

52 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Maybe, but I bet Gable Stevenson would have never stepped away from the sport.

 

38 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Would he beat Messenbrink though?

Stevenson, Messenbrink and Finx were all way over hyped coming out of high school. 

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

 

Stevenson, Messenbrink and Finx were all way over hyped coming out of high school. 

Like so many others...

[ionel]

1 minute ago, MPhillips said:

Like so manny otherns...

ftfyn 

[Pinnacle]

When did Intermat hold the auditions for the new Cinnabon? 

[flyingcement]

24 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Mensenbrick would be a tough matchup for anyone, even Younger Bastida. 

I don't think younger Bastida is any better than the older version of Yonger

[Winners Circle]

27 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I don't think younger Bastida is any better than the older version of Yonger

Oh you mean Younger Bautista.

[flyingcement]

1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

Oh you mean Younger Bautista.

haha sorry just messing

[AgaveMaria]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

 

Stevenson, Messenbrink and Finx were all way over hyped coming out of high school. 

Looking at how they turn out in college - the hype wasn't overdone.

Fix with a great career but falling short each tournament was a hard one. Taylor being the "New & Improved" coach may well have put him on another level. John Smith came in and OSU was riding on top for a few years. Then they slowed a bit and PSU came up with a new Coach who has them riding high with no sign of slacking off.

Amine is the one who really needs to buy into Taylor & push a lot more on the mat. Stalling to win has already bit him. Get some offense going.

The next few years should be interesting.

[Wrestleknownothing]

38 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Oh you mean Younger Bautista.

Bastida The Younger?

Like Pliny The Elder.

[MPhillips]

2 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Looking at how they turn out in college - the hype wasn't overdone.

@ionel...

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

@ionel...

Did I catch a big one!?    

[wrestle87]

5 hours ago, AgaveMaria said:

Watching a few Oklahoma State matches and many of the wrestlers look to be much more aggressive on the mat. Going for it rather than sitting & waiting.

Would Taylor coaching have been enough to put Dayton Fix over the top for at least one NCAA Title?

Probably 2-3x champ if taylor is his coach.

Fix regressed throughout college, carrying the brand, a struggling coach's career, and the ENTIRE Okie State brand is a really tall order for any person.  

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

Probably 2-3x champ if taylor is his coach.

Fix regressed throughout college, carrying the brand, a struggling coach's career, and the ENTIRE Okie State brand is a really tall order for any person.  

Would have never beat RBY or Vito or Suriano in folkstyle but take a whiff of this copium to help you feel better.

bUt hE CoULd BeAt sUriAnO?? 

stfu he won while he was freaking rutgers on his own lol wtf is your argument.

Vito?

Nah, I'll take the multi-time world medalist

FiX gOt A wOrLd MeDaL!!!!!

Yeah, a few weeks after the olympics just like the streeeeebler elf. Let me give you this ->  *

Are Bee Why sucks!

Cool, maybe try beating him.

[RawDog]

I don't think so either. Suriano, RBY and Vito were just better. Not a knock on him those guys were all just really good. All three ended up winning multiple NCAA titles.

[boconnell]

50 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Would have never beat RBY or Vito or Suriano in folkstyle but take a whiff of this copium to help you feel better.

bUt hE CoULd BeAt sUriAnO?? 

stfu he won while he was freaking rutgers on his own lol wtf is your argument.

Vito?

Nah, I'll take the multi-time world medalist

FiX gOt A wOrLd MeDaL!!!!!

Yeah, a few weeks after the olympics just like the streeeeebler elf. Let me give you this ->  *

Are Bee Why sucks!

Cool, maybe try beating him.

What are you doing with capital letters?  Or the English language in general?  I thought I was middle aged and then I read this post and I'm convinced I'm a million years old because it makes zero sense to me.

[wrestle87]

42 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Would have never beat RBY or Vito or Suriano in folkstyle but take a whiff of this copium to help you feel better.

bUt hE CoULd BeAt sUriAnO?? 

stfu he won while he was freaking rutgers on his own lol wtf is your argument.

Vito?

Nah, I'll take the multi-time world medalist

FiX gOt A wOrLd MeDaL!!!!!

Yeah, a few weeks after the olympics just like the streeeeebler elf. Let me give you this ->  *

Are Bee Why sucks!

Cool, maybe try beating him.

Jesus christ.

Give the boards a rest and step out of the clown car my guy.

You picked an interesting person to throw a fit at.  There are few people who have rooted harder against fix in his NCAA tenure, and concurrently more for penn state, than me.

No matter how you put it, J Smith/the culture of his room was an albatross around the necks of his athletes at the end of his tenure, he made them worse, not better.  For fix to stay steady in that environment across that long of a tenure is extremely impressive because virtually every guy had a good first year or two, got injured, and then hated life bc of weight cut and mentally quit, or were too injured to compete.

DT brings a penn state training ethos, which is much more centered around enjoyment and a balanced, emotionally stable approach to life, whereas J smith (and the brands/gable of old) were just rage, piss, vinegar, and lots of booze to numb your emotions.  That’s basically how the entire sport was for most of its existence.  The new guard is changing that, and absent that sort of a negative environment, I believe fix would have thrived far more than he did, and with the creativity of DT, would have innovated a great deal.

That said, RBY came to cowboy rtc with taylor, ostensibly the coaching contingent there now is of meaningful importance to him.  Minus taylor and friends, I don’t think RBY progresses above 3rd.  And with DT, I think fix has the creativity and mindset, plus a better gameplan, for at least a 2-2 record in his finals matches.

[wrestle87]

5 minutes ago, boconnell said:

What are you doing with capital letters?  Or the English language in general?  I thought I was middle aged and then I read this post and I'm convinced I'm a million years old because it makes zero sense to me.

Nothing, he’s just trying to invite people aboard the troller-coaster.

The upper lower case is how little kids mock people online.

[BarSeries]

Someone needs a handsome Tuesday if you think Suriano was ever losing. 

[JeanGuy]

I think fix is he who is. Kind of like Beau Bartlett. Some guys are just going to sit and wait to counter. That leads to a lot of close matches and against high level competition those are 50/50 at best.

[bnwtwg]

8 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

Nothing, he’s just trying to invite people aboard the troller-coaster.

The upper lower case is how little kids mock people online.

Touch grass and have some copium. Fix was never better than anyone in his peerset after high school and that isn't going to magically change. I wasn't throwing a fit at anyone but the idea that Taylor would magically turn Fix into "Probably 2-3x champ if taylor is his coach" is definitely some clown car ideology. He has had Smith's coaching since he was identified as a prodigy at seven years old and despite AJ Ferrari's worst intentions, Smith is a legendary coach who knows what the heck he is doing. Fix is good, there were simply wrestlers who were better during his seven years of attending Oklahoma State.

So let's ask this a different way: do you think Taylor will outcoach Cael? Because RBY vs Fix would have been that stress test and your opinion is that Fix & Taylor would have beaten RBY & Cael.