feet2back Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Prett sure Vito, Foca, Cardenas and Fernandez have eligibility left but won't be able to compete in Ivy League next year? Am I wrong about that? If those guys are free agents next year, those guys are going to get paid!
Hammerlock3 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, feet2back said: Prett sure Vito, Foca, Cardenas and Fernandez have eligibility left but won't be able to compete in Ivy League next year? Am I wrong about that? If those guys are free agents next year, those guys are going to get paid! does that mean they can't compete at EIWAs or just in ivy dual meets? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
ugarles Posted January 29 Posted January 29 18 minutes ago, feet2back said: Prett sure Vito, Foca, Cardenas and Fernandez have eligibility left but won't be able to compete in Ivy League next year? Am I wrong about that? If those guys are free agents next year, those guys are going to get paid! honestly nobody really knows where anyone stands with their classes. we know when they started, we know what class they are listed with on the roster... and we never know what it means with respect to graduation.
feet2back Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Welcome to the Iowa Hawkeyes No...#2, Mikes way, extra wet Edited January 29 by feet2back
BigRedFan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 34 minutes ago, feet2back said: Prett sure Vito, Foca, Cardenas and Fernandez have eligibility left but won't be able to compete in Ivy League next year? Am I wrong about that? If those guys are free agents next year, those guys are going to get paid! Vito has no eligibility left anywhere. He's gone 4-3-1 at NCAAs. Foca, Cardenas, and Fernandes each have a year of NCAA eligibility left. They also have a year of Ivy eligibility left, as long as they don't graduate before next year. If they do graduate, they can use that eligibility at a school that allows for graduate student athletes. Ramirez came in with the above three, but is listed as a junior. The guess would be that he sat out at least one semester more than did the other three, who are listed as seniors. The COVID year in which the Ivy League cancelled all sports caused these guys to decide to remain enrolled or not. I would be really annoyed if Fernandes doesn't get AA this year, transfers, and gets AA somewhere else. IYKY.
D3UC157 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: Vito has no eligibility left anywhere. He's gone 4-3-1 at NCAAs. Foca, Cardenas, and Fernandes each have a year of NCAA eligibility left. They also have a year of Ivy eligibility left, as long as they don't graduate before next year. If they do graduate, they can use that eligibility at a school that allows for graduate student athletes. Ramirez came in with the above three, but is listed as a junior. The guess would be that he sat out at least one semester more than did the other three, who are listed as seniors. The COVID year in which the Ivy League cancelled all sports caused these guys to decide to remain enrolled or not. I would be really annoyed if Fernandes doesn't get AA this year, transfers, and gets AA somewhere else. IYKY. Wasn’t his 3rd place from 21 the ‘free’ year? So he would still have another?
AgaveMaria Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Can they all go to Stanford? ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”.
BigRedFan Posted January 29 Posted January 29 11 minutes ago, D3UC157 said: Wasn’t his 3rd place from 21 the ‘free’ year? So he would still have another? The Ivy League didn't compete the "free year," so, no. 2018: grey shirt 2019: 4th as freshman 2020: Olympic RS (not enrolled) 2021: COVID-cancelled Ivy League (also not enrolled) 2022: 3rd as sophomore 2023: 1st as junior 2024: TBD 2025: N/A 2
Red Blades Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) Senior Day is always a fun event - waiting to see which of the wrestlers listed on the roster as "seniors" are actually honored as Seniors. Those not named in the ceremony usually have a semester or so left on their "Ivy Clock". Not that I have any inside info, but I think I saw somewhere on the Cornell forum that Foca has another year - whether that means at Cornell, or just generally, I couldn't say. Edited January 29 by Red Blades
jdalu75 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) Fernandes was the only one listed on the Cornell roster in 2020-21. So right there that suggests that if any of them move on, he's the one. Cardenas entered the NCAA transfer portal, as a graduate student, on August 21. So right there that suggests that if, yada, yada. Ramirez is, as BigRedFan posted, the only one of the four listed as a junior on the current Cornell roster. So right there that suggests that if any of them stay another year, he's the one. Now that those situations have been straightened out, what happens with Foca is anyone's guess. Edited January 29 by jdalu75 rewording
Antitroll2828 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, jdalu75 said: Fernandes was the only one listed on the Cornell roster in 2020-21. So right there that suggests that if any of them move on, he's the one. Cardenas entered the NCAA transfer portal, as a graduate student, on August 21. So right there that suggests that if, yada, yada. Ramirez is, as BigRedFan posted, the only one of the four listed as a junior on the current Cornell roster. So right there that suggests that if any of them stay another year, he's the one. Now that those situations have been straightened out, what happens with Foca is anyone's guess. 3 hours ago, feet2back said: Prett sure Vito, Foca, Cardenas and Fernandez have eligibility left but won't be able to compete in Ivy League next year? Am I wrong about that? If those guys are free agents next year, those guys are going to get paid! Cardenas and Fernandes will be graduate transfers somewhere else next season ( probably Michigan where they will compete in like 5 duals meets and make 6 figures) Ramierz will be back and I believe foca is up in the air , he can graduate by the summer and transfer or he can wait til next season but he may have to sit out the 1st semester of next year to stay at Cornell
PortaJohn Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Antitroll2828 said: Cardenas and Fernandes will be graduate transfers somewhere else next season ( probably Michigan where they will compete in like 5 duals meets and make 6 figures) Why wouldn't they do what pretty much every former Cornell wrestler I've met and go into finance for a major bank in NYC and make 3 to 4x that amount? I Don't Agree With What I Posted
BigRedFan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 12 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Why wouldn't they do what pretty much every former Cornell wrestler I've met and go into finance for a major bank in NYC and make 3 to 4x that amount? Fernandes, for one, is an actual farmer (he grew up on his family farm in NJ), so, no. Cardenas and Foca are in the Architecture, Art, & Planning College, so not likely there, either.
PortaJohn Posted January 30 Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: Fernandes, for one, is an actual farmer (he grew up on his family farm in NJ), so, no. Cardenas and Foca are in the Architecture, Art, & Planning College, so not likely there, either. None of the fellas I met had a finance degree. I Don't Agree With What I Posted
billyhoyle Posted January 31 Posted January 31 On 1/29/2024 at 4:50 PM, PortaJohn said: None of the fellas I met had a finance degree. Those guys are "on" the team but not actually putting up points at NCAAs....Or maybe they are the ones who were on the team before Cornell got really good. The elite guys from the past couple decades are mainly coaching, training for the Olympics, or spouting conspiracy theories on twitter/fox news. Nothing wrong with any of that, and honestly probably a more enjoyable career than working in finance.
SetonHallPirate Posted January 31 Posted January 31 On 1/29/2024 at 3:28 PM, Hammerlock3 said: does that mean they can't compete at EIWAs or just in ivy dual meets? Well, nobody at Cornell can compete at EIWA's starting next year...
Hammerlock3 Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 minute ago, SetonHallPirate said: Well, nobody at Cornell can compete at EIWA's starting next year... um why "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
SetonHallPirate Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Just now, Hammerlock3 said: um why https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/12/18/general-ivy-league-to-launch-wrestling-tournament-starting-in-2025.aspx
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 31 Posted January 31 On 1/29/2024 at 7:50 PM, PortaJohn said: None of the fellas I met had a finance degree. Rich Tavoso, former Princeton wrestler and "Wall Street Legend" was a history major.
PortaJohn Posted January 31 Posted January 31 9 hours ago, billyhoyle said: Those guys are "on" the team but not actually putting up points at NCAAs....Or maybe they are the ones who were on the team before Cornell got really good. The elite guys from the past couple decades are mainly coaching, training for the Olympics, or spouting conspiracy theories on twitter/fox news. Nothing wrong with any of that, and honestly probably a more enjoyable career than working in finance. Those fellas were on the team, darn good wrestlers, and Cornell was really good at the time. But, my point had more to do with graduating with a Cornell degree which gives you far better options to make a salary that far exceeds what you would get in a NIL deal as a post grad somewhere else I Don't Agree With What I Posted
RandolphTJones Posted January 31 Posted January 31 On 1/29/2024 at 3:21 PM, feet2back said: Prett sure Vito, Foca, Cardenas and Fernandez have eligibility left but won't be able to compete in Ivy League next year? Am I wrong about that? If those guys are free agents next year, those guys are going to get paid! How much are teams willing to pay? Even if 1 team gets 3/4 from Cornell (Highly unlikely) they still wouldn't catch Penn St.
Gus Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Wasn’t there some speculation that Cardenas was going to be joining Arizona state following this season?
BigRedFan Posted February 10 Posted February 10 On 1/29/2024 at 4:44 PM, jdalu75 said: Fernandes was the only one listed on the Cornell roster in 2020-21. So right there that suggests that if any of them move on, he's the one. Cardenas entered the NCAA transfer portal, as a graduate student, on August 21. So right there that suggests that if, yada, yada. Ramirez is, as BigRedFan posted, the only one of the four listed as a junior on the current Cornell roster. So right there that suggests that if any of them stay another year, he's the one. Now that those situations have been straightened out, what happens with Foca is anyone's guess. Went to the Cornell-Princeton dual tonight. Spoke to the main guy in "Foca's Army," who indicated that Foca will be deferring a semester in order to wrestle for Cornell next year. Yee-haw! Cardenas is moving on, as we all know. The above guy said that he's getting lots of offers, and is looking at Michigan. Fernandes told me this is his last year, and next year he'll be working in finance in NYC (not being a farmer any more!). So like Shapiro/Ramirez/Ruiz/Foca in the middle of the lineup.
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