BigRedFan Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 24 minutes ago, Jim L said: The rise of the Ivies over the the past decades seemed to have hurt Lehigh's standing where it was the place where you can get a highly rated education and still compete for a national title. Cornell and now Princeton have bested Lehigh fin both areas. Is this the Princeton team that is likely to score zero or, to be generous, two points at NCAAs this year? As bad as Lehigh has gotten, and despite the occasional dual win by Princeton, Lehigh continues to field a better team. Now Penn and Columbia, on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Lehigh’s not in the middle of nowhere, far worse, it’s right next to an old steel town that isn’t the safest place in the world. Also, no way NIL helped the situation. Lehigh actually asks for moderate standards for its athletes, I seem to remember david craig being academically ineligible for a bit during one of his years. I can think of few schools that would do something like that to their athletes. In that same vein, they aren’t going to open up random certificate programs to keep their guys around or access grad transfers in the portal. Lehigh also doesn’t have much of a following anymore. Lehigh is really getting hurt by being surrounded by a lot of other semi-formidable teams, especially penn state and rutgers. Lehigh is missing all the good stuff with some considerable added baggage for a college experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, wrestle87 said: or access grad transfers in the portal. Tate Samuelson would like a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, BigRedFan said: Is this the Princeton team that is likely to score zero or, to be generous, two points at NCAAs this year? As bad as Lehigh has gotten, and despite the occasional dual win by Princeton, Lehigh continues to field a better team. Now Penn and Columbia, on the other hand... Regardless of a single year's result a HS recruit who is a good student and who have parents that value the Ivy league brand can realistically picture themselves going to Princeton and competing for a national title. This will fade for Princeton in a few years if they stop having AA quality guys after Ayres leaves, but another Ivy will take their place behind Cornell as the second best team in the Ivy league and likely have multiple AAs and national contenders as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, BigRedFan said: Tate Samuelson would like a word. Is tate samuelson getting a grad certificate in underwater basket weaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBluegill133 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 What’s the status on Crookham? Didn’t see his name (or anyone at 33) in the wrestle off resultsSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk "Look good, feel good, wrestle good." - J Jaggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, wrestle87 said: Is tate samuelson getting a grad certificate in underwater basket weaving? Close: "Technical Entrepreneurship" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feet2back Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) Lehigh has taken a big hit with the dominance of Cornell and the emergence of Princeton and Rutgers who are right in their backyard. For a long time Princeton and Rutgers never was competitive against Lehigh. Not sure Princeton can keep it up but Rutgers will be good every year and probably better or just as good with Lehigh...In the 70s and 80s Lehigh was the Wrestling Power in the Northeast without a question...Until Goodale came aboard Rutgers lost 53 years in a row to Lehigh...Times have changed! Edited October 31, 2023 by feet2back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 9:51 PM, Hillbilly Jim said: I guess I don't see the logic in your "middle of nowhere" take. My kids have recently been in and are currently in the wrestling recruiting mix. So between them and our dozens upon dozens of wrestling friends being recruited right now--very rarely do I hear kids reference this as a concern or deciding factor amongst higher end programs. I mean just look at the locations of SO MANY top programs: VA Tech (Blacksburg); Cornell (Ithaca); OK St (Stillwater); Nebraska (Lincoln); Missouri (Columbia); Iowa St (Ames). Even Iowa City and State College are really just college towns too. Honestly most kids I know actually like the college town experience more. And in case you haven't checked it out lately, I'd say Illinois has been recruiting quite well under its new head coach. I think the HC and other factors might have a lot more to do with recruiting success than proximity to a major city. This, this is the take right here. Spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 18 hours ago, JBluegill133 said: What’s the status on Crookham? Didn’t see his name (or anyone at 33) in the wrestle off results Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I heard from @Husker_Du on Basch-A-Mania podcast that Crookham/McGonagle had (or are having) a closed door wrestle off and the results are being kept pretty hush-hush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, MidwestWrest said: I heard from @Husker_Du on Basch-A-Mania podcast that Crookham/McGonagle had (or are having) a closed door wrestle off and the results are being kept pretty hush-hush. Did he say what the game plan is for the loser? @Jason Bryant if Crookham gets the nod @133 for Lehigh will McGonagle be the first wrestler in NCAA history to wrestle at the All Star Classic to then lose his starting spot in the lineup? I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Did he say what the game plan is for the loser? [mention=17]Jason Bryant[/mention] if Crookham gets the nod @133 for Lehigh will McGonagle be the first wrestler in NCAA history to wrestle at the All Star Classic to then lose his starting spot in the lineup? Will Rowe at Oklahoma did 3 Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 If McGonagle wins, I'd expect Crookham to enter the portal and go somewhere like Iowa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Did he say what the game plan is for the loser? @Jason Bryant if Crookham gets the nod @133 for Lehigh will McGonagle be the first wrestler in NCAA history to wrestle at the All Star Classic to then lose his starting spot in the lineup? No mention of what the loser does. Haines (also in All-Star Classic this year) could lose starting spot to MM. Edited November 1, 2023 by MidwestWrest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, MidwestWrest said: No mention of what the loser does. Haines (also in All-Star Classic this year) could lose starting spot to MM. Over on the PSU board, several of us have noted that Cael might plan on RSing Haines anyways and that it would be pretty funny if Haines wins and then we don't see him again this year. Edited November 1, 2023 by Le duke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MidwestWrest said: No mention of what the loser does. Haines (also in All-Star Classic this year) could lose starting spot to MM. I believe the plan is shirt one of them, probably Haines or Facundo. Following year Facundo goes up to 74 after Starrocci departs. Edited November 1, 2023 by PortaJohn 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 20 hours ago, flyingcement said: If McGonagle wins, I'd expect Crookham to enter the portal and go somewhere like Iowa Why? McGonagle a senior. Would Crookham be charged for this year anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, ScarletKnight said: Why? McGonagle a senior. Would Crookham be charged for this year anyways? He may be a senior, but he has two more years of eligibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 1:49 PM, feet2back said: Lehigh has taken a big hit with the dominance of Cornell and the emergence of Princeton and Rutgers who are right in their backyard. For a long time Princeton and Rutgers never was competitive against Lehigh. Not sure Princeton can keep it up but Rutgers will be good every year and probably better or just as good with Lehigh...In the 70s and 80s Lehigh was the Wrestling Power in the Northeast without a question...Until Goodale came aboard Rutgers lost 53 years in a row to Lehigh...Times have changed! Have they changed that much? Didn't Lehigh just out score Rutgers 28-8 at the last NCAA championship? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gantry Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 19 hours ago, flyingcement said: He may be a senior, but he has two more years of eligibility. I firmly believe that nobody ever actually runs out of eligibility anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) On 11/1/2023 at 4:25 PM, ScarletKnight said: Why? McGonagle a senior. Would Crookham be charged for this year anyways? My understanding is Crookham is better than McG. Crookham deferred eligibility last year. His clock is ticking. Edited November 4, 2023 by lu_alum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, lu_alum said: My understanding is Crookham is better than McG. Crookham deferred eligibility last year. His clock is ticking. Crookham is definitely a higher profile recruit. But McGonagle has had a nice steady improvement and has been pretty consistently ranked top twenty over the last year. McGonagle is a killer on top, but doesn't always rack up back points, so wonder if the new rules might be an obstacle for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 He was also at Penn State two weeks ago. Add Cornell this weekend to Desmond’s list. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribers Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Allentown has a song by Billy Joel. It's a wonder they aren't always getting #1 recruiting classes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feet2back Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) On 11/2/2023 at 12:50 AM, Wrestleknownothing said: Have they changed that much? Didn't Lehigh just out score Rutgers 28-8 at the last NCAA championship? Yes but Lehigh also refuses to Wrestle a Dual Meet against Rutgers these days...The 2 schools are 48 miles apart....They wrestled in a Dual almost every year since 1941....Rutgers Won a match in 1950 and then didn't Win again till 2013 (63 years) Most blood baths for RU.......Lehigh went 2-2 against Rutgers from 2013-2017 and that was it....Lehigh has Not wanted any part of their neighbor ( The State University of NJ ) since in a Dual meet Edited November 6, 2023 by feet2back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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