Israel Attacked

[Husker_Du]

meanwhile

 

 

[Gus]

10 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

It’s so funny that conservatives say things like this but the more our country distances itself from these countries, the more you say things are going wrong and we need to return to the way things used to be when you were growing up.

Well guess what, things were much closer to those countries back then! Our government and economy wasn’t totally controlled by multinational corporate interests, we had a strong social safety net, strong unions and labor protections, healthcare and education didn’t ruin you financially, the food wasn’t poison, etc…Now that we’re living in the capitalist, deregulated utopia you dreamed of everything sucks!

The UK is a moral & financial dumpster fire. Canada encourages its poor to euthanize themselves. France is subject to terrorist attacks constantly. Admittedly, I’m not familiar with present day Germany. 

[ionel]

True or not?  Well evidently a majority voted for Hamas but that was back in 2006.  The young people had nothing to do with that vote but why haven't a majority risen up since and demanded new elections.  Doesn't mean the non Hamas civilians deserve any of this but if you want change and peace may need to vote for change and peace?  

[Plasmodium]

4 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

meanwhile

 

 

No shortage of people who hate Jews.  Sad.

[Plasmodium]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

True or not?  Well evidently a majority voted for Hamas but that was back in 2006.  The young people had nothing to do with that vote but why haven't a majority risen up since and demanded new elections.  Doesn't mean the non Hamas civilians deserve any of this but if you want change and peace may need to vote for change and peace?  

The Israelis themselves wanted Hamas in Gaza.  It is a corrupt system and difficult to change.  They don't even have a proper government.  There is no shortage of wars, battles and protests against their own government and people as well as Israel.  Tale as old as time playing out in Gaza.  There shouldn't even be a separate government between Gaza and the West Bank but......

[Offthemat]

Trump felt the covid money would be recovered by a rebounding economy, and it was, until the day after biden assumed office. 
 

The farmers money came from tariffs Trump imposed to protect from Chinese manipulation.  

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

True or not?  Well evidently a majority voted for Hamas but that was back in 2006.  The young people had nothing to do with that vote but why haven't a majority risen up since and demanded new elections.  Doesn't mean the non Hamas civilians deserve any of this but if you want change and peace may need to vote for change and peace?  

Once Hamas is eliminated we’ll see how it goes. 

[Ban Basketball]

5 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Trump felt the covid money would be recovered by a rebounding economy, and it was, until the day after biden assumed office. 
 

The farmers money came from tariffs Trump imposed to protect from Chinese manipulation.  

False, on both ends.  I've seen some delusional spin, but these top the charts. 

Who told you to say that stuff?

Of course you won't,  but you may want to read this little tidbit of inconvenient truth.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932

Edited October 15, 2023 by Ban Basketball

[uncle bernard]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

True or not?  Well evidently a majority voted for Hamas but that was back in 2006.  The young people had nothing to do with that vote but why haven't a majority risen up since and demanded new elections.  Doesn't mean the non Hamas civilians deserve any of this but if you want change and peace may need to vote for change and peace?  

This also is not true. Hamas won a plurality with 44% of the vote to Fateh 41%. The overwhelming majority of Palestinians have never voted for Hamas.

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Trump felt the covid money would be recovered by a rebounding economy, and it was, until the day after biden assumed office. 
 

The farmers money came from tariffs Trump imposed to protect from Chinese manipulation.  

You realize democrats can come up with the same justifications for their policies? 

[uncle bernard]

10 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

so first you said 'wealth redistribution' is necessary to be a leftist and then you said 'Trump did it'. make up your mind. 

as far as what i think (which doesn't much matter)

i was against the Covid relief checks initially but i understood that it was a worldwide pandemic and a unique situation. I thought each additional release of funds was ridiculous. and yes, i know it was started under trump.

a couple weeks after businesses opened back up, i went to a bar in downtown Easton. The bartender started making small talk and i asked if things had been slow. he said 'no, we've been busier than usual.' i said 'why's that, you think.' he said, 'there's a lot of rift raft that usually hadn't had money but now they got the government checks.'

as far as ag subsidies... idk. i frankly don't know enough about it. and there's a 'price control' factor in there to consider.

generally speaking, i don't most measures of wealth redistribution. nor do i think it's a prerequisite to be a democrat. 

if it is, you're supporting my point that the left has taken a radical turn. so idk what your point is. thanks, i guess.

This is the misunderstanding that's causing a lot of problems. The Democrats are not a leftist party. They are a liberal party. You are right that wealth redistribution is not a pre-requisite. In fact, it alienates you from the party (like Bernie + the squad).

An oversimplified explanation: 

Conservative - Capitalism is good and the social "problems" it causes aren't actually problems. If you're poor, it's largely your fault.

Liberal - Capitalism is good, but has side effects that we need to address with social policy. Energy for reform is directed at social issues such as antiracism, discrimination, etc... Some wealth redistribution, but heavily reduced through means testing and bureacracy

Leftist - Capitalism is bad. Things like poverty and social inequality are symptoms of a root cause. Energy for reform is directed towards economic reform. Universal programs like welfare and college. No means testing. Everybody, rich and poor, is eligible for these programs paid for by wealth redistribution from wealthy to the state.

[Offthemat]

Which group supports terrorists and abhors private ownership of property?

[Ban Basketball]

3 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Which group supports terrorists?

Easy:  conservatives. All studies have been showing that for several years.  They are also the ones responsible for about 75% of all terrorist activity in the U.S. today. 

You know,  the "trespassers," as you're told to parrot.

[uncle bernard]

13 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Which group supports terrorists and abhors private ownership of property?

The United States government is the largest supporter of islamic terror groups in the world. Nearly every major group in the last 40 years got its start with support from the US (including Hamas). 

Hopefully, we can all agree this is a bad thing and we should stop giving money to these groups.

[Ban Basketball]

32 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

The United States government is the largest supporter of islamic terror groups in the world. Nearly every major group in the last 40 years got its start with support from the US (including Hamas). 

Hopefully, we can all agree this is a bad thing and we should stop giving money to these groups.

I'd add that we then curiously went into Iraq and Afghanistan as our act of revenge for 9-11, all the while leaving Saudi Arabia out of it. 

[Bigbrog]

Let's let this resonate here..."The US is the biggest support of Islamic terror groups in the world"  WTF!!!! 

And someone agrees with that statement...yikes!

Got to love the internet

 

[Offthemat]

40 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Let's let this resonate here..."The US is the biggest support of Islamic terror groups in the world"  WTF!!!! 

And someone agrees with that statement...yikes!

Got to love the internet

 

And academia. 

[Ban Basketball]

12 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

And academia. 

Heck, yeah,  Stormfront! I've been teaching the notion for decades. 

[Ban Basketball]

53 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Let's let this resonate here..."The US is the biggest support of Islamic terror groups in the world"  WTF!!!! 

And someone agrees with that statement...yikes!

Got to love the internet

 

Why do I see another,  "there are no book bans" moment about to ensure?

[jross]

On 10/13/2023 at 10:56 PM, GreatWhiteNorth said:

How do you feel about Russia killing many, many innocent Ukrainians and occupying Ukranian land?

I'm calling it out.

It is bad when Russia kills innocent Ukrainians, just like when Ukrainians kill innocent Russians.

Can you show me where your nose is?

[Lipdrag]

 

Change Palestinians/Hamas with Germans/National Socialists in the 1930's.  Same logic, Brandon.  A previous post even stated that Hamas got "only" 44% of the vote.  The National Socialists got only 33% in the last free and fair election in Germany which was actual 4% lower than what they got in the previous election.  

Nevertheless, if a population tolerates and harbors a cancer and it metastasizes beyond your boundaries then eradicating the cancer will be very painful and collateral damage (i.e. clean tissue) is sacrificed.  It is unfortunate.  Regardless, unconditional surrender and eradication (i.e. excising the cancer) is required.  Detente is impossible.  "Remission" of the cancer is beyond the ability of my analogy to stretch.

[Lipdrag]

On 10/15/2023 at 1:58 PM, uncle bernard said:

The United States government is the largest supporter of islamic terror groups in the world. Nearly every major group in the last 40 years got its start with support from the US (including Hamas). 

Hopefully, we can all agree this is a bad thing and we should stop giving money to these groups.

"Supporter" implies policy alignment with said groups.  I am comfortable with rejecting this implication of your statement.  I do not deny that the US State Department and our "intelligence" organizations have an absolutely horrible record of picking who will be the long term good guys and bad guys and therefore are the biggest funding source of many crazy organizations overseas - especially in their incipient stages.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE that we should stop giving money to "these" groups.  In fact, we never should have started giving money to them.  I define "these" groups as any group of non-America citizens.  I also believe that our government should not be giving money to groups of American citizens in general.  I cannot find the authority in the Constitution for the federal government to give money to any group based on any criteria whatsoever other than direct employees or companies hired to perform US Government services in support of enumerated powers.  Radical, huh?

[Plasmodium]

It is not like the people can say we don't like you Hamas. Go away.  That has even been tried. Guess who died?

[jross]

Let us hope that no foreign entity gains the power to hold us American citizens responsible for our government's actions. Both Republicans and Democrats have held power during periods of foreign intervention and war crimes.

[Lipdrag]

1 hour ago, Plasmodium said:

It is not like the people can say we don't like you Hamas. Go away.  That has even been tried. Guess who died?

Here is my guess:  Those without a second amendment recognizing their God-given right to discard a government that threatens their other God-given rights.

Edited October 16, 2023 by Lipdrag
Confusion on the that/which grammatical nuances.