Nelson Brands tweets details on why his NCAA career is over

[CHROMEBIRD]

4 hours ago, WildTurk said:

Here's another perspective/opinion from @bluroptimo on Rivals

 

"Everyone knows, don’t text and drive. Don’t play on your smartphone while you drive. How would we all feel if geo location technology was used for the last year and today you found out you had to pay for all of those texting while driving offenses? And it could get ugly. f you were going over 84mph while texting, suspended license. Multiple violations, habitual offenders, five year suspended license.

How many of you would change your smartphone habits if you knew they’d be monitoring your cell phone use while driving? Would it be more acceptable if they said explicitly, “for the next year you’ll be watched via technology and issued warnings. After that fines and suspensions.”

And to those saying this isn’t a good analogy to this gambling situation, I agree. Smartphone use while driving is a much bigger problem. More lives lost, more injuries. Much larger scale.

But yet here we are talking about college athletes, none involved in organized crime or point shaving, being “monitored” and penalized."

So... don't follow the law unless you know someone's watching?

Btw, this already happens today. People get tickets in the mail, after the fact, from traffic light cameras (running red lights), aircraft radar (speeding), transponders (toll gates and lanes), and other stuff. Is bluroptimo saying people who get caught should be let off the hook because they didn't know they were being monitored?

[VakAttack]

Nobody is actually providing any good reason why this should be the rule, just that it is the rule. Which is a stupid reason for a rule to exist.

[flyingcement]

2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Nobody is actually providing any good reason why this should be the rule, just that it is the rule. Which is a stupid reason for a rule to exist.

Some people are wired to be rule followers instead of rule questioners.  I guess we need both types of people, but it can be frustrating to interact with those who are not willing to think critically.  

[1032004]

2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Nobody is actually providing any good reason why this should be the rule, just that it is the rule. Which is a stupid reason for a rule to exist.

At the very least, most people seem to agree that betting on other teams at your university is a no-no due to the likelihood of getting insider information.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Some people are wired to be rule followers instead of rule questioners.  I guess we need both types of people, but it can be frustrating to interact with those who are not willing to think critically.  

I am all for rule questioning, but it is the rule at the moment, and he knew it. 

Wish these guys were eligible, and I think they got a bit of a raw deal, but I understand.

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

At the very least, most people seem to agree that betting on other teams at your university is a no-no due to the likelihood of getting insider information.

I don't think inside information is applicable here. Most people think inside information in the US is about fairness, but it is actually about theft. Using information that does not belong to you to profit in capital markets is the crime. The idea is that it harms capital formation if it is allowed to happen. And capital formation is valuable to an economy.

I do not think that applies in any way to betting markets which are not viewed as having a similar importance. I am not aware of any laws that disallow betting based on an information advantage. As a matter of fact it is legal in some jurisdictions to "cheat" at casino games. But it is also legal for casinos to ban you if they think you are doing things like counting cards.

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I don't think inside information is applicable here. Most people think inside information in the US is about fairness, but it is actually about theft. Using information that does not belong to you to profit in capital markets is the crime. The idea is that it harms capital formation if it is allowed to happen. And capital formation is valuable to an economy.

I do not think that applies in any way to betting markets which are not viewed as having a similar importance. I am not aware of any laws that disallow betting based on an information advantage. As a matter of fact it is legal in some jurisdictions to "cheat" at casino games. But it is also legal for casinos to ban you if they think you are doing things like counting cards.

And then what is wrong with counting cards?

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

And then what is wrong with counting cards?

Casinos don't like people to play wisely

[ionel]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

Casinos don't like people to play wisely

ahh ... so wisdom bad, stupid good.  

[Husker_Du]

On 9/22/2023 at 6:52 AM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Please tell me about all the other states that did a similar investigation...  

That is what is uneven.

there's nothing 'uneven' about it. jfc. own your errors. 

[Husker_Du]

On 9/22/2023 at 8:49 AM, WildTurk said:

Drake, UNI, Coe, Wartburg, Simpson etc. Just slipped through the cracks? No college females in Iowa placed a bet?  Targets were hand cherry picked 

bro. stop.  

[Husker_Du]

On 9/22/2023 at 10:24 AM, VakAttack said:

Most basically for me is that the rules are stupid and Nelson acted like an idiot.  If gamblins is legal, it's legal, and the only time you shouldn't be permitted to gamble is if it's on a team on which you are a competitor.  Just because they might have known football players doesn't mean shit. This happens in actual gambling all the time where different people have "inside information".  For example, if my best friend played for the New York giants, I could still bet on the Giants games.

Vak, you're a lawyer. wtf are you talking about.

it's not legal 

1) underage

2) with an alias

and 

3) the NCAA has it's own guidance/stipulations

[Husker_Du]

On 9/22/2023 at 10:33 AM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

An NLWC athlete/coach who trains with the PSU wrestlers on a daily basis has a deal with a sports betting company.  A bit shady! Why is he even allowed into the training facility?

BC it's legal, bird brain.

WTF'in F is so hard about laws!?!?!?

[Husker_Du]

i'm very disappointed in the critical thinking in this thread. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

47 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

Vak, you're a lawyer. wtf are you talking about.

it's not legal 

1) underage

2) with an alias

and 

3) the NCAA has it's own guidance/stipulations

I think Brands was 23 when he started gambling and I do not recall anyone claiming he used alias.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

BC it's legal, bird brain.

WTF'in F is so hard about laws!?!?!?

Bro... ever hear of context?

I was responding to a dude who said PSU wrestlers would never be involved with gambling because it is a sin. I brought up Nickal, and have said elsewhere in this thread that I don't have an issue with it. Nor do I have an issue with the punishment.

Thank you in advance for your apology, sir!

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

27 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I think Brands was 23 when he started gambling and I do not recall anyone claiming he used alias.

Bird brain got confused with Paniro.  I also remember when he said Paniro was not charged "because Dresser said so... and was real real mad."

Edited September 24, 2023 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

there's nothing 'uneven' about it. jfc. own your errors. 

Do you think if other states did an investigation they might find a gambler or two? Where is that critical thinking hat?

Edited September 24, 2023 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Do you think if other states did an investigation they might find a gambler or two? Where is that critical thinking hat?

Did Burr have money on the match?  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

Did Burr have money on the match?  

Colonel Burr, unfortunately, was not given to immoral activities including gambling, drinking, and general excess. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

there's nothing 'uneven' about it. jfc. own your errors. 

What does JFC mean?  Would Justin Basch approve?

Edited September 24, 2023 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Colonel Burr, unfortunately, was not given to immoral activities including gambling, drinking, and general excess. 

just dueling. 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

For everyone mad about what happened to Nelson...I can't help but think you wouldn't be posting your anger about this if it had happened to a non-Iowa wrestler.

You're only mad because it happened to your team.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

P.S. based on tonight's Penn State-Iowa football game, it is confirmed betting the under on Iowa football is the smart move.

[Wrestleknownothing]

On 9/21/2023 at 2:02 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

I think I am on an island here, but I think it is a bunch of crap that these guys got these punishments. The punishment does not fit the crime in my decidedly not humble opinion.

Allow me, a PSU fan, to quote myself @Jimmy Cinnabon

Sweep those generalities somewhere else.