Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) Edited September 21, 2023 by Jimmy Cinnabon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 hmm ... Doesn't he have a father who is a coach? So he has a father & an uncle who are both coaches and all should know, plus a compliance officer, that he can not bet on NFL, MLB, college football, college basketball or tennis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Poor guy. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I think I am on an island here, but I think it is a bunch of crap that these guys got these punishments. The punishment does not fit the crime in my decidedly not humble opinion. 4 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I think I am on an island here, but I think it is a bunch of crap that these guys got these punishments. The punishment does not fit the crime in my decidedly not humble opinion. thems the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, ionel said: thems the rules Agreed. But I also agree with myself that they are crappy rules. The NCAA, by the way, also agrees with me on that. We just differ in degree. If they did not agree with me they would not have changed the punishments retroactive to immediately before these crimes. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Agreed. But I also agree with myself that they are crappy rules. The NCAA, by the way, also agrees with me on that. We just differ in degree. If they did not agree with me they would not have changed the punishments retroactive to immediately before these crimes. Well sure ... we can agree to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ionel said: hmm ... Doesn't he have a father who is a coach? So he has a father & an uncle who are both coaches and all should know, plus a compliance officer, that he can not bet on NFL, MLB, college football, college basketball or tennis. He missed the information meeting. Perhaps it was optional? Edited September 21, 2023 by Jimmy Cinnabon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: He missed the class. And one could wonder why this doesn't rise to the level of institutional control? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Yeah I can see why he deleted those Tweets 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurk Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Agreed. But I also agree with myself that they are crappy rules. The NCAA, by the way, also agrees with me on that. We just differ in degree. If they did not agree with me they would not have changed the punishments retroactive to immediately before these crimes. Pretty harsh penalties for the crimes. Losing the rest of their careers is nuts considering what they did. Edited September 21, 2023 by WildTurk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurk Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: He missed the information meeting. Perhaps it was optional? That's up to You/Mineo to find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, WildTurk said: Pretty harsh penalties for the crimes. Losing the rest of their careers is nuts considering what they did. These are known rules/regs. Look at what the NCAA did to Dez Bryant and his team and he broke no rules. The NCAA has never been consistent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Agreed. But I also agree with myself that they are crappy rules. The NCAA, by the way, also agrees with me on that. We just differ in degree. If they did not agree with me they would not have changed the punishments retroactive to immediately before these crimes. Things changed recently with regards to betting. When the NCAA first outlawed betting years ago and made the initial rules the only sports betting was essentially illegal sports books. It made sense to have harsher penalties at that time because if an athlete was betting they were also breaking the law. Even betting on professional games could be problematic. An athlete could end up in the hole with a bookie who might demand the debt be paid by fixing or point shaving their athletic contests. Today I don't see why they continue to ban betting on professional sports since it is widely legal to do so and fewer negative externalities. Also with the legalization of gambling it also makes it easier to catch offenders which should mean that the punishment doesn't have to be as harsh to serve its purpose. If you are unlikely to catch offenders because they're doing all this on the black market, harshly punishing offenders can serve as a valuable deterrent. If you can catch ~100% of offenders then it makes sense to have less harsh penalties because the near perfect enforcement is deterrent itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 hour ago, ionel said: hmm ... Doesn't he have a father who is a coach? So he has a father & an uncle who are both coaches and all should know, plus a compliance officer, that he can not bet on NFL, MLB, college football, college basketball or tennis. I'm more surprised that he has a father/uncle as a coach and was stupid enough to tweet that out, geez. Does this count as consenting to have his name released? Will we actually see a statement from Iowa naming him? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 The damning evidence there is that he admits he knew it was wrong to at least some extent. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurk Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, ionel said: These are known rules/regs. We are all aware I think the punishment is extensive for the crime Edited September 21, 2023 by WildTurk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 As opposed to lying about something like……….. steroids? Don’t you usually get sentencing consideration criminally for pleading guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 What was Nelson's point in posting all of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said: What was Nelson's point in posting all of that? Maybe he is fishing for an NIL deal from an online casino? I think Pete Rose does endorsements for casinos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goheels1812 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 I’m not going to lie, I came into this expecting to click his thread and feel bad for him and think it was ridiculous. Then I got to the part where he said “yeah I knew the rules. I didn’t attend the meeting. I just did it anyways because it’s not a huge deal” and he lost any sympathy I was going to give him. That’s a good PR example of how not to explain your situation to the public. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, WildTurk said: We are all aware I think the punishment is extensive for the crime Versus losing the remainder of your career for no crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 What would be your suggested punishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurk Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ionel said: What would be your suggested punishment? What college team do you support? Pretend he wrestled for them. Then you tell me the correct punishment in your eyes for what he did. I've already said losing the rest of his career is too harsh of a punishment imo. I knew there would be problems once online betting became legal in Iowa. It sucks that only male's at Iowa and ISU were targets of the D.A. They were hand picked. No female's? No UNI? Drake? Coe? Wartburg? I've accepted the ruling and am ready to move forward without Nelson Brands and Tony Cassioppi this year. Both of them are the 3rd-4th best wrestlers at their respective weights aswell. Big losses for Iowa. Life is unfair. Time to move forward Edited September 21, 2023 by WildTurk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 The punishment does bring up an interesting point. Because some would argue if he wasn't suspended for the postseason, then it's hardly a punishment at all. We need a dual championship, so that he could have been suspended for that but not the individual tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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