Let’s call stalling

[Dark Energy]

Just watched Iowa’s Bennet clearly and obviously drag Army’s Sanchez OOB while riding on top.  Called action by ref.  B S
 

Bennett drove the action OOB to avoid a potential scoring action. Text book stalling.

CALL IT!

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 11/18/2022 at 12:30 AM, Dark Energy said:

Just watched Iowa’s Bennet clearly and obviously drag Army’s Sanchez OOB while riding on top.  Called action by ref.  B S
 

Bennett drove the action OOB to avoid a potential scoring action. Text book stalling.

CALL IT!

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Too bad it wasn't in Carver, because those Iowa fans would certainly call for the stall. Right?

[ionel]

  On 11/18/2022 at 12:33 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Too bad it wasn't in Carver, because those Iowa fans would certainly call for the stall. Right?

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Without a doubt on the guy not wearing black.

[BerniePragle]

  On 11/18/2022 at 12:44 AM, ionel said:

Without a doubt on the guy not wearing black.

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Fleeing the mat.

[Scouts Honor]

yes, only Iowa does that, to those piling on. 

 

i agree, stalling should be called much more often.

in particular, if hanging on to an ankle with a hand earns a five count, why doesn't hooking the ankle with my leg? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 11/18/2022 at 5:31 PM, Scouts Honor said:

yes, only Iowa does that, to those piling on. 

 

i agree, stalling should be called much more often.

in particular, if hanging on to an ankle with a hand earns a five count, why doesn't hooking the ankle with my leg? 

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Because they are very different things even though they both involve the ankle.

[Scouts Honor]

  On 11/18/2022 at 5:54 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Because they are very different things even though they both involve the ankle.

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yes it is much easier to stall with a leg hooked with a leg

[TexRef]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:09 PM, Scouts Honor said:

yes it is much easier to stall with a leg hooked with a leg

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Just playing devils advocate here...but with the ankle hooked would they consider that "riding" and not stalling? 

[ionel]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:26 PM, TexRef said:

Just playing devils advocate here...but with the ankle hooked would they consider that "riding" and not stalling? 

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Think its called the "Penn State ride."

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:29 PM, ionel said:

Think its called the "Penn State ride."

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And yet it is free for all to use. I never understood why everyone is so up in arms and ankles about it.

[ionel]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:33 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

And yet it is free for all to use. I never understood why everyone is so up in arms and ankles about it.

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Nah ... pretty sure Penn St "owns" it.

But really ... both arms & ankles?! 

 

PS: don't go all TBar on me here, tis but a friendly jab. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by ionel

[jchapman]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:33 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

And yet it is free for all to use. I never understood why everyone is so up in arms and ankles about it.

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TBar?

[TexRef]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:37 PM, jchapman said:

TBar?

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A blast from the past. 

[Le duke]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:33 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

And yet it is free for all to use. I never understood why everyone is so up in arms and ankles about it.

And it’s not stalling. Which people should know if they read the rule book.


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[Spladle08]

So you're saying we should lessen stalling on top and find a way to penalize going out of bounds....

There is this one style....

[AKHUNTER]

used the way I used trapping an ankle wasn't to stall......rather I used it to help control hips to help break a guy down ( I would lift and twist with my leg and hip).......... certainly not a stall ride when used in this manner. But just hooking and sitting on it is certainly stalling.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:36 PM, ionel said:

Nah ... pretty sure Penn St "owns" it.

But really ... both arms & ankles?! 

 

PS: don't go all TBar on me here, tis but a friendly jab. 

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I will put you in a verbal bow and arrow so fast....

Which leads to another point. Without the ankle scoop there is no bow and arrow. I will be damned if I let anyone speak ill of the bow and arrow.

[ionel]

  On 11/18/2022 at 7:05 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

I will put you in a verbal bow and arrow so fast....

Which leads to another point. Without the ankle scoop there is no bow and arrow. I will be damned if I let anyone speak ill of the bow and arrow.

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ouch

[Scouts Honor]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:26 PM, TexRef said:

Just playing devils advocate here...but with the ankle hooked would they consider that "riding" and not stalling? 

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perhaps... some people consider riding stalling...

but another question.. isn't it easier to control the ankle when hooking your leg and sitting on it  then just your four fingers?

not that hangin on with your hand shouldn't be stalling... but the other as well...

[Scouts Honor]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:33 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

And yet it is free for all to use. I never understood why everyone is so up in arms and ankles about it.

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im not angry with PSU doing it.. as you said anyone can...

but why isn't it a five count, if simply grasping the ankle with your hand is.. 

 

and i did this ride in high school... and taught it as a coach 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 11/18/2022 at 6:58 PM, Le duke said:

And it’s not stalling. Which people should know if they read the rule book.


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curious... havn't seen a rule book in years... what does it say specifically about this ride...

 

and again, ipose the question.. how a hand grasping the ankle a five count. but sitting on the ankle not? 

[ionel]

  On 11/18/2022 at 7:56 PM, Scouts Honor said:

curious... havn't seen a rule book in years... what does it say specifically about this ride...

 

and again, ipose the question.. how a hand grasping the ankle a five count. but sitting on the ankle not? 

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or compared to the head & arm lock - now a 5 second

Edited November 18, 2022 by ionel

[jross]

  On 11/18/2022 at 12:30 AM, Light Energy said:

Bennett drove the action OOB to avoid a potential scoring action. Text book stalling.

CALL IT!

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I like that Gable Energy where Dan calls stalling in front of Dan's statue calling stalling.

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[AKHUNTER]

the rule book says you must continue to try  "to improve your position" a great example of refs not doing their job............. wrestler A shoots....wrestler B spralls.....wrestler A locks hands and waits for the ref to call a stalemate with NO effort to "improve" his position. That is freaking STALLING!

I got ahold of that leg a LOT.......... I would never have thought to not continue to improve from that position.

The refs have the absolute responsibility to call what they KNOW is stalling. I know a college ref very well who actually calls stalling. He has many times told me how refs will tell him they will stop a match when they know a guy is going to end up backing off the mat. That way they don't have to call it.

Refs not calling stalling is  HUGE problem for our sport.

[ionel]

  On 11/19/2022 at 6:05 AM, AKHUNTER said:

the rule book says you must continue to try  "to improve your position" a great example of refs not doing their job............. wrestler A shoots....wrestler B spralls.....wrestler A locks hands and waits for the ref to call a stalemate with NO effort to "improve" his position. That is freaking STALLING!

I got ahold of that leg a LOT.......... I would never have thought to not continue to improve from that position.

The refs have the absolute responsibility to call what they KNOW is stalling. I know a college ref very well who actually calls stalling. He has many times told me how refs will tell him they will stop a match when they know a guy is going to end up backing off the mat. That way they don't have to call it.

Refs not calling stalling is  HUGE problem for our sport.

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But we also really want consistency.