Merit matters

[jross]

Presidential candidates react to Supreme Court's affirmative action ruling

Mike Pence: "There is no place for discrimination based on race in the United States, and I am pleased that the Supreme Court has put an end to this egregious violation of civil and constitutional rights in admissions processes, which only served to perpetuate racism. I am honored to have played a role in appointing three of the Justices that ensured today’s welcomed decision, and as President I will continue to appoint judges who will strictly apply the law rather than twisting it to serve woke and progressive ends."

Vivek Ramaswamy: "Affirmative action is a badly failed experiment: time to put a nail in the coffin & restore colorblind meritocracy."

 

Song to celebrate

(Verse 1)
I'm bringing merit back, yeah!
Ain't no time for all that race flack, no!
It's time to level up the playing field, oh yeah!
'Cause picking winners based on race ain't real, oh!

(Pre-Chorus)
So let's focus on achievement, oh!
Bring back fairness, let it show!
It's not about color, it's about the best, yeah!
Merit's the key, it's time to invest, oh!

(Chorus)
I'm bringing merit back, yeah!
No more dividing, let's get on track, oh!
Picking winners based on their skill, oh yeah!
Let's celebrate the ones who fulfill, oh!

(Verse 2)
Gone are the days of unfair selection, yeah!
We need a system based on true reflection, oh!
No more quotas, let talent prevail, yeah!
It's time for equal opportunities, no fail!

(Pre-Chorus)

(Chorus)

(Bridge)
This is about fairness, oh yeah!
No more discrimination, let's be aware, oh!
Together we can build a brighter tomorrow, yeah!
Where merit triumphs over sorrow, oh!

(Chorus)

(Outro)
So let's unite and make a change, oh yeah!
Let's bring back merit, rearrange, oh!
It's time to embrace the values we hold strong, yeah!
No more picking winners based on the wrong, oh!

[Husker_Du]

the fact that this even has to be said is effing moronic. 

[jross]

[Paul158]

Very happy for the hard working students who were being hurt by affirmative action. 

[jross]

Dude, merit matters topic?

[Paul158]

23 minutes ago, jross said:

Dude, merit matters topic?

I agree. Did not see your topic when i posted. I'm just glad they finally got it right. Just listened to Joe Biden he doesn't seem to get it or understand it. Oh well.

[Plasmodium]

Clarence Thomas understands AA very well.  For me but not for thee.  Next on his agenda is Loving vs VA, which is clearly federal overreach.

[Paul158]

37 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Clarence Thomas understands AA very well.  For me but not for thee.  Next on his agenda is Loving vs VA, which is clearly federal overreach.

Wasn't Joe Biden part of the High Tech  lynching of Clarence Thomas. So the democrats weren't for affirmative action back then.

[Plasmodium]

I think he voted for Thomas and raked Anita Hill over the coals, so no.  I don't recall what Thomas's stated position on AA was at the time.  Thomas knew Hill through their time together at the Equal Opportunity Commission, which was part of the DOE.

[Offthemat]

They’re scheming on ways to get around it.  California schools are eliminating test scores as admission standards.  There’s talk of using essays where applicants can explain the racial issues they’ve encountered.  Something like 12% of this year’s entrants to Stanford are white males.  Wonder what percentage are athletes?

 

Biden voted against Clarence Thomas’ appointment, and yes, Biden was the chairman of the committee hearings that Thomas referred to as “a high tech lynching.”

[uncle bernard]

All the white people celebrating this are going to be pissed when they realize they're still not going to get into those schools anyway because they're not the highest performing students. This case was about discrimination against asian students.

Meanwhile, you don't see the same people screaming about legacy admissions which are even more unfair than affirmative action ever was. Why? Because it benefits mostly white students.

[mspart]

Yes, the whole point of this case was the curtailing of Asian students getting in to Harvard and UNC.   What is the good reason to keep them out? 

mspart

[uncle bernard]

4 minutes ago, mspart said:

Yes, the whole point of this case was the curtailing of Asian students getting in to Harvard and UNC.   What is the good reason to keep them out? 

mspart

I believe Harvard was keeping them out because they would be overrepresented proportionally if it went solely off merit.

[Paul158]

21 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I believe Harvard was keeping them out because they would be overrepresented proportionally if it went solely off merit.

So reverse discrimination. In order to achieve the numbers they want.

[mspart]

If you want the best and the brightest, who cares if one ethnic group is over represented or not.   You have the best and the brightest.   Harvard artificially kept out qualified applicants based on their ethnicity period.   That is not right per 14th amendment, and the Civil Rights Law, as SCOTUS points out.  It doesn't matter if what Harvard wanted felt good, it is against the Constitution and the Civil Rights Law.  

Not sure how this will be applied to anything outside of Universities and Colleges.  But I would think it will become the standard for businesses and the Federal and State and local governments as well.  

mspart

[Husker_Du]

41 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

All the white people celebrating this are going to be pissed when they realize they're still not going to get into those schools anyway because they're not the highest performing students. This case was about discrimination against asian students.

Meanwhile, you don't see the same people screaming about legacy admissions which are even more unfair than affirmative action ever was. Why? Because it benefits mostly white students.

you're not wrong (about legacy admits), but two wrongs don't make a right. 

i can't effing believe in the year of our load 2023 you have to litigate policy that is so overtly discriminatory/racist. (and yes, to asians more that whites). it's so incredibly absurd and irrational in the name of virtue signaling. 

[Husker_Du]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

They’re scheming on ways to get around it.  California schools are eliminating test scores as admission standards.  There’s talk of using essays where applicants can explain the racial issues they’ve encountered.  Something like 12% of this year’s entrants to Stanford are white males.  Wonder what percentage are athletes?

 

Biden voted against Clarence Thomas’ appointment, and yes, Biden was the chairman of the committee hearings that Thomas referred to as “a high tech lynching.”

i'm pretty sure during covid the wokester universities did away with board scores. 

[Paul158]

34 minutes ago, mspart said:

Yes, the whole point of this case was the curtailing of Asian students getting in to Harvard and UNC.   What is the good reason to keep them out? 

mspart

They were  to smart and hard working. Thats isn't fair.

[mspart]

Notice that the SCOTUS ruling points to the Constitution and Law.   Dissents point to emotionalism and non law based arguments.   That is the difference in approaches.   What feels good vs the Constitution and law.   Who is attempting to legislate from the bench?

mspart

[Plasmodium]

55 minutes ago, mspart said:

Notice that the SCOTUS ruling points to the Constitution and Law.   Dissents point to emotionalism and non law based arguments.   That is the difference in approaches.   What feels good vs the Constitution and law.   Who is attempting to legislate from the bench?

 

 

mspart

All SCOTUS decisions are rooted in law.

[Wrestleknownothing]

My college roommate got wait listed at Princeton. After he read an article damning Brooke Shields' admission because it denied a deserving student, he insisted he was that deserving student. Where is his justice?

[Plasmodium]

Athletes are next.   Wonder what the Stanford FB would like w/o preferential admission?  I know Christian McCaffery didn't have the grades to get in.   Oh well, he was a 6X admissions dipper - athlete, both parents athletes, both parents Stanford alumni, wealthy parents.  He might have pushed out a Nobel prize winner.  Go Cardinal!

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 hours ago, Offthemat said:

They’re scheming on ways to get around it.  California schools are eliminating test scores as admission standards.  There’s talk of using essays where applicants can explain the racial issues they’ve encountered.  Something like 12% of this year’s entrants to Stanford are white males.  Wonder what percentage are athletes?

 

Biden voted against Clarence Thomas’ appointment, and yes, Biden was the chairman of the committee hearings that Thomas referred to as “a high tech lynching.”

Is 12% the right number or wrong number? Too high, too low?

If 12% is accurate that means 26% of male students in the class of 2026 were white. That does not include any international students who do not get bucketed as white in the official Stanford stats.

As for athletes they make up about 12% of the students with about 5% of students on athletic scholarship.

[Le duke]

The UC system has already demonstrated a way to get a diverse, highly qualified student body.

Also, the number of Americans actually impacted by this is very small.


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[Offthemat]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

All the white people celebrating this are going to be pissed when they realize they're still not going to get into those schools anyway because they're not the highest performing students. This case was about discrimination against asian students.

Meanwhile, you don't see the same people screaming about legacy admissions which are even more unfair than affirmative action ever was. Why? Because it benefits mostly white students.

Polls show that over 75% of the population is against affirmative action and the dumbing down of academics to cater to lower performing students.  Employers are adapting to this by administering their own qualification tests up to boycotting certain schools graduates to avoid ideologically indoctrinated applicants.  In business, in the real world, merit still matters.