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So I don’t see the appeal. Like a reduced IQ Carter.

at the warning

I can agree with that. But would you do it on the first stall (warning) or on the second stall (1pt)?

I am at a loss. I need to re-examine my entire belief system, everything I've done in my life and plan on doing in my life... I just watched that and thought..."that's a good take...by Brandon Schaub," the man who gave us the ICONIC Gringo Papi?!? Rogan must have said this a day or two earlier... that's the only plausible explanation.

Not, I'm not "admitting" anything. I'm repeating what Herb Dean said. Even the person who brought up that as his top achievement put "Beat Lawler" in quotes. For arguments sake what happens if it's not stopped? I don't know dude, they keep fighting. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I'm simply saying if you're looking at Askren's career, pointing to the win over Lawler, a win in which the Ref apologized, it's not the strongest argument. I don't have a personal opinion on when or if you stop that. Herb Dean said he didn't see the thumbs up, Lawler said he yelled he was good. It's all TOTALLY moot. Again, to recap, I mentioned the TYPES of Wrestlers I thought would be good fits in MMA and those who wouldn't, someone ELSE brought up Askren. I didn't agree. That's it. I'm DEFINITELY not interested in arguing about what would have hypothetically happened AFTER the Lawler fight, I'm not "admitting" anything as I'm not accused of anything(so far as I'm aware). I think Johnny Hendricks style made for a better fighter than Ben Askren. I think a guy like Parker Keckeisen would make for a better fighter than Bo Nickal. If you disagree...so be it, but this wasn't about Ben Askren and again, I didn't make it about him. I specifically mentioned David Taylor...and Askren is the guy people get worked up about? How about this...I don't think Cael would have been particularly great in MMA either. I DO think the Brands brothers would have. Now...I'm out. PSU and Iowa fans argue among yourselves.

So as far as we know - Brayden Thompson did not enter the portal before the required date. I guess he will challenge for 184 and 197 and just eat the year of eligibility if it doesn't work out

Yeah. Me neither.

Dude...I didn't bring Askren up. I simply said there's a certain type of Wrestler who I think is more likely to have success in MMA and more of a physical, controlling Wrestler vs someone who thrived based on a funky style...and I didn't mention Askren. I mentioned guys I thought would be good and guys I didn't think would be great fits. As for Lawler, Herb Dean has said it was his worst call and he feels terrible. I see why he thought that. I'm simply saying for his 3 wins...it's not SUPER impressive that he basically got a headlock that did nothing to Lawler after getting beaten...badly. I don't care who technically won the fight, I'm talking about the actual performance. And that was the highlight in the UFC. AS for him being old and out of shape, no he wasn't. I'd put money down that Askren right NOW is in better shape than 95% of UFC fighters and could go a 5 round fight... at least a 3 round fight. He's got a preternatural gas tank. That wasn't the issue. Shell of his former self? Sure. I don't really care, but if you want to say that, then the same would be said for Lawler who was I believe 38 to Askren's 35.

Good news guys he's praying for all the haters....thats not the most transparent grift ever or anything.

Sergio Desiante to Virginia Tech

Is this accurate?

Is wrestling a martial art? Some martial artists from various non-wrestling backgrounds especially a significant number pre-UFC traditional martial artists didn't see wrestling as a martial art due to physical conditioning being the focus of wrestling. I am just curious. Do you especially your past selves see wrestling as a martial art? Is it a martial art?

So then you admit it was a good stopage. If it was over then it was over, right? But for arguments sake, say he doesnt stop the fight, what then? Ben cranks on the choke and it ends in the next ten seconds? He was winning it whether it was stopped then or a few seconds later. Also, you can put blame on Dana White for actively refusing to sign Ben for many many many years. Then when he did he was well past his prime. Prime Ben in the ufc goes into the HoF.

Well I'll be. Never thought of you as a yuper

I can see that.

But how do you feel about pinfalls? Asking for a friend.

that's on you bro

my preference would be a top stall results in a return to neutral with no escape point

I’ll butcher it a bit…. So I used chat gpt. Also to lazy to type that much Here's how the clinch worked: If a period ended in a tie (0–0), a clinch was used to determine the winner. A random draw (the “ball grab”) determined which wrestler got the advantageous position. The offensive wrestler started by locking their hands around the opponent’s upper leg (like a single-leg position). The defensive wrestler stood normally and tried to defend for 30 seconds. If the offensive wrestler scored (usually a takedown), they won the period. If they didn’t, the defender won. It was painful. And frankly was genuinely uncool.

I suppose. That's like calling Connor's match with Khabib a hugely successful fight for him. I'm not really looking at this from a financial standpoint. I'm not looking at...LeBron and saying 'this is the best year of his career,' because it's the most he's ever been paid. That seems silly to me.

I think the amount of doping needed to succeed in UFC negates a lot of the advantage of being a D1 wrestler. You can easily dope strength and conditioning (2 of the main advantages D1 wrestlers had). Then if you train kickboxing technique during the years that an athlete is a D1 wrestler and learn how to sprawl, you're going to be at an advantage against a guy who learns striking after wrestling in college until age 24. So the best base for MMA at this point is probably just any type of striking (muay thai, kickboxing, boxing). Add on doping, and you have a winning combo.

At 15K a year for 7 years (of MS and HS travel sports) is 105k plus interest .... better hope you are getting a nice scholarship to break even. Sometimes parents don't get it... we have 15k a year for softball but suddenly when you get to college we won't have it and you better get a scholarship. On the gymnastics front, I had a girl in my class a long time ago who did Gym 6 days a week - cost them $350 per month for just practice - early 2000's prices. Add in the costs of travel, etc. and practice since she was 5 and you have a very large amount of money saved with interest. She told me she did it to get a college scholarship...uh...okay, did someone do the math with your parents? She quite gym by 10th grade because she was burned out and tired of not having a life.

Parker Keck....