Winners Circle

Money talks and b*llshit walks.

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Heard from a reliable/inside Mizzou wrestling source, that this happened just 2 days ago (2/7/24).

I assume you're talking about Minnow. But if you're referring to me, I was just relaying what he said, which I probably shouldn't have. Hand up, not real smart of me.

Hope that's the case. Very unfortunate.

I'll let this post from Minnow do the talking. Who is Mizzou throwing in at 133?

Not sure I see Rath as a 165. He's pretty short.

I think I recall hearing on Pack Mentality Pop-Ins Podcast that Pat Pop said, "We're going to do what's best for both Camacho and Trombley as well as put the team in the best position to win." Typical coach speak.

First off, I think an Iowa shutout of Penn State is EXTREMELY unlikely. The dual is at CHA which mean Iowa will get some benefit from the refs. I think PSU wins at least 4 of 10 matches (Brooks, Kerk, CStarr, Bernie). However, if Iowa managed to shut out the Nittany Lions this would be a first...and also one huge loss for Penn State. Would this actually cause Jimmy Cinnabon's head to explode?

To be honest, I didn't see much 'fire' or enthusiasm from the staff. When Surtin, who I thought wrestled well (needs to clean up his LA finishes, but he didn't wrestle timid) lost, and then knowing they were immediately forfeiting 133 following that, it took the wind out of their coaching staff's sails. Do I think that carried over to the athletes that were competing? That I don't know. I do think it carried over to the energy in the building though, certainly.

KOT vs Olejnik. KOT up 4-1 with RT locked. Questionable takedown on the edge (which I did not think was 3). Even with the TD, KOT still only wins 8-1. There was 3 seconds left, so definitely not enough time to push for a major. I agree, very odd hill to die on if I'm Mizzou coaching staff.

From someone who was there, not a fan of either team, just a wrestling junkie. I like watching the "ins and outs" and minor 'behind the scenes' details. Coleman Scott had a notepad and pen and took notes the whole dual. Every match, he was writing things down. I'm not sure if he was writing down notes for things the OSU guys needed to work on, or scouting notes on Mizzou guys for future matches, I'm sure a combination of both. Regardless, my point is, I think the guy pays EXTREMELY close attention to detail. The kind of detail you see from someone who has a been a HC at a program that he had to work to 'rebuild' (I use that term loosely because UNC is a power 5 school). But regardless, you can tell this guy was an Olympic Bronze medalist by the attention to detail. Cowboys are in good hands with him being the future.

I'm not saying he is or isn't better this season than in the past. BUT, if he has improved, I'd point the finger at Coleman Scott. Seems like Ok St. lightweights overall are performing better than in recent past.

Add not afraid to try to actually score points and try to win. He's a breath of fresh air in the '4-2 match' world we're living in.

But if he would have posted there, less eyes would see it. It's all about the clickbait right?!!

Cashe Quiroga made the semis for Purdue in 2010.

I did watch it. And I actually think I will skip tiers and leave it the way I have it. Makes sense in my simple little brain.

Only person that could stop him is a one Mr. Austin Gomez. Aka he goes for an unnecessary lat drop, cement mixer, double overs/unders, etc. and gives up 7 or a fall. If he just wrestles I don't see anyone that can beat him though.

I see your point. But getting majored by KOT is enough of an extreme for me. I don't see Carr or MM ever being majored by anyone.

Hard to say he didn't progress though. 165 was much tougher his senior year, when he took 3rd, than it was in years past.

I'd say my tiers, based on where guys are and how they're wrestling right now, are: T1: KOT & Carr T2: MM T3: Hamiti, Olejnik, Ramirez, Caliendo, Amine, Fish, Hall MM may be T1, but I need to see it first. And I think it's obvious he's separated himself from the T3 field.

Sorry, misunderstood your OP.

Ramirez now has two losses. KOT and Olejnik.