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I doubt this list is complete, but in the old weights (1970-1998) true freshman champs are Pat Milkovich (126), Darryl Burley (134), Lincoln McIlravy (142), Pat Smith (158), Matt Reiss (167), and Mark Branch (167). There have been a couple close calls at 285. Mocco and Steveson were very close to winning as true freshman. I think Spencer Lee is the only wrestler to win a title as a true freshman at the lightest weight since 1970. Others have been close. Megaludis and Nickerson lost in the final as true freshmen.

I'm not sure it's any harder to win as a true freshman than any other weight. There really aren't that many true freshman champs at any weight. Below are the number of true freshman champs at each weight since the weight class change in 1999. 125 - 1 (Lee) 133 - None 141 - 3 (Ware, Dake, Diakomihalis) 149 - 1 (Schlatter) 157 - None 165 - None 174 - 2 (Martin, Hall) 184 - None 197 - 2 (Cox, Ferrari) 285 - None

The only one I know of is J'den Cox. Kyle Snyder was pretty close too.

Pat Downey Junior College champ (2015) 1x D1 AA (5th at 197 in 2016) Junior world silver in freestyle (2012) US senior open champ (2019) US World Team Member Freestyle 2019 Wins include Jared Haught, Drew Foster, Kenny Courts, Quentin Wright, Robert Hamlin, Sammy Brooks, Tyrell Todd, Tyler Caldwell, Josh Asper, Gabe Dean, Kyle Crutchmer, Brett Pfarr, Myles Martin, Nick Heflin, Joe Rau, Ethan Ramos, and Aaron Brooks. Most of those came in freestyle as he only wrestled 22 times over two seasons in NCAA competition. I'm pretty sure Downey has a bachelor's degree from ISU and an associates from ICCC. AJ Ferrari 1 x D1 AA (1st at 197 2021) Cadet World Bronze in Freestyle (2018) Ferrari's wins include Younger Bastida, Jake Woodley, Stephen Buchanan, Tanner Sloan, Jacob Warner, Myles Amine, and Nino Bonaccorsi. Those were all in NCAA competition and Ferrari didn't compete much more than Downey with only 30 NCAA matches over 2 seasons. Pretty sure Ferrari doesn't have a college degree. I'd say Downey has the both the better wrestling and academic accomplishments. Some might value Ferrari's NCAA title over Downey's freestyle accomplishments, but I am not among them. Academically Downey is the only one with a degree and he has two of them. He might also have some graduate coursework completed. These factors favor Downey. On the other hand Downey has the more extensive rap sheet. Probably was arrested at least 2x as many times as Ferrari. Whilst Ferrari has been successful in getting his criminal charges dropped and expunged Downey plead guilty to at least one of his assault charges in high school. Financially my impression is that Downey is perpetually broke and Ferrari makes decent money via his social media following. The wealth difference might also partially explain their relative success in defending their criminal charges. Overall these factors favor Ferrari.

The Brands brothers wrestled in Fargo twice. In 1986 they were in different weights. Tom was 4th at 56kg and Terry was 5th at 52kg. The next year in 1987 they were both at 56kg with Terry placing 3rd and Tom 5th. It's possible they lost to the same person one of those years. Maybe Jason Bryant would know. I think he wrote an almanac on Fargo history.

Isn't there only 1 college with those positions where he currently lives? A high school job probably isn't going to pay the bills. Maybe he doesn't want to move his family a second time in a year to a 3rd city?

He went from D1 Associate Head Coach to out of the sport completely.

If you take the total of the May payments to the former coaches and multiple by 12 (number of months in a year) it give almost exactly $500k for John Smith and $190 for Coleman Scott. For Chris Perry it's $125,025 and Caldwell is $113,600. If I take the total May payments for the new coaches and then divide by the total May hours they were paid (160 for Taylor and 152 for the others) then multiply by the total May hours the old coaches were paid for (184) it gives a round number. For Taylor this works out to almost exactly $950,000 for Kennedy it's $199,000 and Gilman $132,650. In the case of Kennedy and Gilman the number represents a modest increase over Scott and Perry. Taylor on the other hand looks to be making nearly double John Smith's salary.

So I think the amount would be their gross pay for May. I don't think you should be adding back deductions that may be taken. Though there maybe some fringe benefits unaccounted in their gross pay. The greater uncertainty would be that Taylor and the new assistants were not on the payroll May 1. If you look at the hours Taylor was paid 8 more hours than his assistants. I guess he hired them on day 2. Also Taylor was paid for 34 hrs less than the out going coaches, so maybe his total doesn't even represent a full month of pay either. Also since this is the first month there could be some nonstandard payment included like a signing bonus or relocation. I'm not sure. It does appear that Taylor is being paid more than John Smith and he's likely the highest paid coach aside from maybe Sanderson who's pay is not subject to the same reporting requirements at PSU. Multiplying Taylor's payment by 12 to make a full year it is over $820k. This would be well above Tom Brands's contract which is set or pay him $700k this season.

Some payments in May's Oklahoma State payroll appears to be to the new OSU coaches. Not sure if this represents their standard monthly salary but I am sure someone could file a public records request and get their contracts to get to the bottom of it if so inclined. There were also payments to what appeared to the the former coaches in May. A lot of $$$ to wrestling coaches in May 2024.

Alan Meltzer American University. Are successful UFC fighters among the largest donors at any school? If so OSU would be leading the way in fundraising.

Since I keep getting corrected below is the updated list, ordered by final NCAA competition year, with Milkovich's numbers corrected. Sarcpello, Kilgore, Burley, and Goldman remain the most senior "single digit" guys that are not distinguished members. I think Jake Herbert is the most senior single digit guy that also has a world medal and Mocco is the most senior that made an Olympic team. For my next 4 I will say Scarpello, Burley, Herbert, Mocco.

Yeah It doesn't match for me. Category is A stand is C. I have the same entrance as you

I think that's right about Long's record at ISU. Two arrests both alcohol related at least one he was either in a fight or fought with the police. I am not sure of his ultimate convictions. Though not the biggest reason Ferrari cannot find a team it's still part of the totality of circumstances, which are not great. Ferrari and OSU parted ways after the sexual battery investigation became public but well before he was charged with anything related to it. I suspect AJ and his brother had been worn out their welcome well before this incident. If he had been in good standing otherwise and denied any wrongdoing, he probably would have only been suspended until it was resolved. This is how Minnesota handled Steveson's rape allegation. Steveson was suspended after the arrest and allowed to resume wrestling after the prosecutor ultimately declined to charge him. Ferrari injects dysfunction into a team in a way that Long and Steveson do not. Long also had an optimal situation to make that move happen, which is kind of the point of this thread. Long's former coach was now at another school which was perhaps one piece away from a team title. If Sanderson was not coaching and the top 2-3 teams didn't need a 125-133 he would have had more trouble making a move.

That was actually the 2015 Midlands in the 2015-2016 season, which was his one season at Grand View. He was arrested for his parole violation in March or Feb 2016, so he was likely in a stable training situation for Midlands. He admitted to using cocaine and alcohol recently at the time of his arrest, so probably wasn't totally on the straight and narrow. Long was 3rd at NCAAs at 133 for PSU in 2011, so it's not surprising to see him have success up a weight. Especially considering those guys you listed went a combined 1-4 at NCAAs that year. What's surprising is how easy his path was, considering that Midlands bracket contained Seth Gross, Anthony Ashnault, Matt Kolodzik, Chris Mecate, Kevin Jack, and Rick Durso.

I dunno. Ferrari's situation is unique. We won't find an exact match. Brands is probably the closest situation with a wrestler of Ferrari's caliber. Though Ferrari is more of a sure thing on the mat now vs Brands coming out of high school. On one hand you have a 1-time Iowa state champ with baggage and on the other you have a 1x NCAA champ with baggage. Of course not. Even if he wasn't out of eligibility a 4th chance just isn't happening for Long. Long was a registered sex offender when the got his third chance at NAIA Grand View. He wasn't allowed to live on campus because of his sex offender status. Still he messed that up and was arrested for a parole violation. He tried to use substitute urine in a drug test to conceal drug use. The coach there wasn't sacked after that. I think you are overstating the risk to the coach that gives Ferrari a second chance. If this is just Ferrari messing up again it probably doesn't take out the coach. It the coach was on thin ice to begin with, whatever goes down involves multiple team members, or there is some attempt to cover it up then that's different. The school has little to worry about in terms of lawsuits too, but if he was a registered sex offender like Long that would be different. I think the biggest obstacle to Ferrari finding another team isn't the sexual battery charge now that it's been dropped - its everything else. This is evidenced by Iowa ostensibly courting him up to at least the Soldier Salute incident. His situation might be closer to former MLB Pitcher Trevor Bauer. Bauer was accused of sexual assault by multiple women, but all those charges were dropped and one women was even found to be lying to attempt to extort him. She is being charged with filing a false report. Still Bauer despite being a Cy Young winner cannot find an MLB team. He was somewhat universally disliked in the clubhouse, seen as selfish, adversarial with the league, and his social media was a distraction at times. After being out of the league for a year he played in Japan last year and this year is playing for a Mexican team. This off season he finally changed his tune from "I did nothing wrong" to taking responsibility that his off field activities though not illegal had a negative effect on his team/teammates. Still no team signed him. It will take him singing that tune along with the right set of circumstances for him to find a team.

Is it? Because on my order it says I paid for Category A standard.

Cross had beaten Brands at the US Open earlier that year and taunted Terry telling him he was "finished." Probably wasn't trying to console him at the trials.

He doesn't have a sexual assault charge - it was dropped. Depending on how the question on the application is worded he might not even have to formally explain himself. And even if he has to disclose I think someone charged, but not convicted should have a path to get a higher education at a state institution. Okay then replace Marstellar with Tom Brands. He wasn't charged, but was accused of sexual misconduct and disciplined for it in high school. This is why he didn't wrestle in the state tournament as a senior he was suspended. I reckon Gable decided whatever happened was a mistake but wasn't criminal and Brands was unlikely to get into similar trouble at Iowa. A head coach could make a similar determination of Ferrari.

Some would but for entirely different reasons. PSU is at the top so a lot of people hate them for that or at least wouldn't want to see another top recruit go there. I don't think that's the point. If no one cared there would be no point in him doing this. It will get more attention then just announcing PSU, but it inevitable won't be all good attention. An athlete going from high school to college is about the only demographic that could pull this off with the modest level of criticism he's receiving. If the top NBA free agent this offseason tried something similar they would be roasted by all the talking head shows. It would be 100 fold worse. That whole LeBron the decision came from those press announcement for college commitments. It was far more douchey when LeBron did it.

There is a risk, but the potential rewards are larger than the bonus for having an individual champ. Getting a small time team into the top 10 is the kind of thing that lands you a big job. Both Jack Spates and Mark Cody turned small programs into top 10 teams which landed them the OU job. The risk should be somewhat less at a mid or lower program. Scott Moore didn't lose his job when Marsteller got arrested at Lock Haven after being shown the door at OSU. Sure it might get you fired at Princeton or Duke or Davidson or somewhere like that, but if you pick Rider, one of the PSACs, or a small state college they are likely have a longer leash. I would argue that Ferrari has been on a trajectory up and to the right. At OSU there were allegations of burglary (expunged), sexual battery (dropped), and unsafe lane change (guilty) which caused a major accident. The issues that we've heard come out of Iowa City by comparison have been minor and not criminal. Heck if he slapped a teammate at a smaller school and flipped off the crowd at a mid or lower D1 program it would get less than half the attention. On FRL today they said he visited Northern Colorado and Rider. Northern Colorado had that guy ripping overhooks on people for multiple years and Nickerson is still there. With Allirez staying they could be a top 10 team with these two in the lineup.

Millenial here. It's nonsense.

I didn't say I didn't care not. He might be the #1 overall recruit, so I think his ultimate choice is significant news. I don't care for the long drawn out process. The 7 or 14 schools he's eliminated are not news. It's a total snooze. Stringing everyone along to just to eliminate schools in the most predictable way ever is just bad entertainment and the more people invested will just lead to more people disappointed. If he's going to this nonsense at least spice it up somehow. If he's going ultimately pick the most predicable school then drop some other big name early on and as often as possible. Next week kick out Ohio State or Iowa or both. That would at least be news. Bassett eliminates Iowa. Big news. More to discuss. Bassett eliminates Bloomberg - not so much.

In googling this I found a similar discussion on Facebook where the names Kelber, Cross, Randy Lewis, and Chris Hoffman (freestyle in HS - I've never heard of him) were mentioned. I tried to find all there college losses, but I'm still missing a few. Below is what I have Terry Brands High School: 110-10 (2 State Titles, lost in finals as a senior) College: 137-7 1987-1988: Redshirted unsure of losses this year probably wrestled in at least the Drake Open 1988-1989 26-4 (Larry Jones & Jack Griffin Midlands, Jack Griffin one other time - Possibly at the Northern Open where he finished 3rd) 1989-1990 33-2 (Gary McCall Wisconsin Open?, Kendall Cross dual?, Prescott double DQ Virginia Duals?) 1990-1991 43-1 (Kelber NCAAs, Chertow Midlands - Chertow postgrad) 1991-1992 35-0 Tom Brands High School: 109-12 (1 state title lost to Kelber) College: 158-7-2 1987-1988: Redshirted. Unsure of record. 1988-1989 32-4-2 (Kendall Cross NCAAs, Jim Martin NCAAs and Midlands, 2nd at Northern Open) 1989-1990 40-2 (Dave Zuniga Big Tens, Alan Fried) 1990-1991 45-0 1991-1992 41-1 (Fried Midlands) So I think I am missing one loss each from their freshman year. Tom's loss at the Northern Open. Possibly Terry's loss at the Northern Open too - unless that was his second loss to Griffin. No idea on their losses in their redshirt year.

This whole thing will only be worthwhile if there is some plot twist at the end where he picks a school very few would have predicted. If he picks what everyone expects then what is the point?