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I think he's got a better chance at beating Tazhudinov than Sadulaev. I know he was out of his mind at worlds last year, but Snyder just kept getting rolled through on his shots. I think if he just Wrestles a bit more conservatively, tries to grind him down... Or maybe I'm wrong and he'll affirm his WC with an OC. But, I like Snyder's chances.

I'm really curious to see how Brooks does. I don't see him getting pushed around on the Underhook. That's a strong position for him, for DT and he shut that down(I know it's Yazdani's strength moreso than Taylor's obviously)...but I think he could match up pretty well. I like Lee, Dake, Brooks and Snyder's chances. I think this could be the most successful Olympics since...'84. Snyder needs to wrestle much smarter and more controlled on his shots and try and grind that kid down. I don't really know where Zain finishes up(maybe with a medal...I'm not very well versed on that weight). And Parris, I could see him surprising a bit as well. Not Gold, but a medal?

Pretty sure he's not saying you can just become a great Wrestler simply because you're an Olympic Gymnast, but rather those Olympic Gymnast, had they chosen to switch it up or move over to Wrestling, they likely would have had a lot of success...at a younger age. Not by the time they're in the Olympics.

There's literally nothing better for a kid to learn basic motor skills than do those tumbling classes. My Sister was a very good Gymnast. She won some...big tournaments on the National Level, but it was a little confusing for me because she was at a lower level and she trained with a future Olympian who was younger and MUCH better...freakishly talented as a very young girl. She's still strong as hell. But on top of that, several Wrestlers I came up with were Gymnasts and they just had different athletic ability, muscle. They felt stronger without being bulkier. Those are the best athletes in the world IMO. Just balance, explosion, strength, coordination obviously. It's mind-blowing. And getting a kid into gymnastics at a younger age and then, IF they want to start Wrestling around 4th grade, that's the cheat code to me! LOL...they have that body control, they can learn good technique. I don't think you need to or should start getting too intense with your training until maybe 5th-6th grade anyway. But yeah, no better base than Gymnastics. Totally agree with that.

Your response to "give me a program with comparable resources." Damn...I don't know why, but I thought you were just a normal poster...until the "what is a leader" thread and now seeing all the others...you're just a troll and not a very good one.

Oh...you sweet naive soul. We've got millions of people who are dumb enough to believe that one.

Yeah, this was rage bate. It's a crime to transition where she's from. This was presented as a Fallen Fox(which was a LONG time ago) and it wasn't anything like that. The way this was just presented as a trans-athlete was...obnoxious.

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I've outlined it pretty clearly in my posts. I'm not going to be spending more energy on what I feel like is becoming an intellectually dishonest conversation at this point. You don't know what being a leader means and after I wrote all this, you concluded it was exclusively...based on what I'd written, being a good Wrestler?

No, I've elaborated enough, I gave you a length of traits that made a leader, you ignored it with the claim that he refused to Wrestle his main rival for the Olympics and...something about hiding an injury so Nickal(who again, did Wrestle) couldn't medal, assigning some sort of motivation beyond simply trying to heal). If you can't understand what I've said by this point, you don't want to...

That's one way to intentionally misinterpret what I'm saying... Remember when I specifically used Ferrari as NOT a good leader? Now...tell me if those two thoughts line up?

It's not much of a distinction to me. David Taylor was a better "teammate" than Leader as they had ample leadership, but it's tough to find a 2X Hodge winner, 4X finalist and one of the top ~10 greatest Wrestlers ever. I've seen no evidence he's not exceptional in both regards.

Ok...so not on his College team, but competing with the guy who was his biggest threat to make the Olympic team, Taylor and Brooks didn't train("out of respect," per Brooks) and then the knee injury presumably in 2019 that he tried to rehab? And you're claim is that he "hid" the injury so Nickal couldn't Wrestle(though he did) and the purpose of hiding it was to prevent Nickal from winning a medal? I thought he was just trying to rehab and was unable to do so. So in this case, he'd have had to work out with Brooks and disclose his injury to Nickal so he'd cut down to 86 instead of going 92KG where he couldn' beat Cox? I'm not sure how either would be disqualifying or how they relate to what was pretty clearly a discussion about College Teammates. No, a leader doesn't have to put anyone's goals before his own or it's "needs." They need to do the right things. They can lead by example, they can be vocal. You want a precise definition, go look up the definition of leader. I feel like most people who's been around the sport know it when they see it. -Good Role Model -Lead by example -Don't get into trouble -Don't get arrested for rape or crash your truck into people(so it definitely doesn't just get "dropped" on the best Wrestler in the room). If you get hired one of the 3-4 blue blood programs in the Sport and it's probably the most consequential move in the sport in ~15 years, I'd guess it's safe to say you're a good leader. If you want ME to give you an exact and all encompassing definition of a leader...I'm probably not going to be able to do so.

Are you trolling? He's absolutely right, the best Wrestlers TEND to be leaders as well. Where are you getting the "aren't actively trying to abuse your teammates on a personal level," nonsense from? Everyone knows what it means. Lead by example, you're working hard, you're helping the younger kids...just...being a leader. Does every iteration of being a leader need to be spelled out? And please don't come back with assholes who were great Wrestlers but not leaders. The point was they TEND to be or they usually are. I'll assume Zain, DT, Ruth, Lee, Wrestlers like that have been pretty good leaders. I'd assume Spencer Lee has been...you watch what he did for his workouts, I'm sure you've got young guys who he's influenced.

Yeah...I read that as his floor...because normally your brain fills in nonsensical comments with more logical thoughts. No clue why his "ceiling" would be AA.

No...just saying how long those couple weights seem to be locked up. If Haines took a RS and went to '74 and Facundo wrestled this year, I still don't see how you fit all these kids in there. SVN, Kasak(who seems more likely to end up at '57/'65 than down to '41 after a RS year as has been speculated...though that was a while back). Meesenbrink, then Cunningham is a guy people tend to gloss over with Duke and Henkel. Just an incredible job of picking the right kids and these kids with the supreme confidence to believe they'll earn a spot. If you were a '74/'84, are you picking Iowa right now? Arnold and Angelo? I'm not a PSU fan beyond just being a fan of the sport and respecting what they're doing, but I'm curious how they get all these kids to come there. Didn't even mention Barr...who may be an '84 with Ryder and the Mirasola brothers. If they get a couple teammates from Bishop McCort, man, would that be a fun lineup to watch in a couple of years. Maybe a HWT from Iowa in that same class?

No. He's not actually right. He's actually wrong. PSU is recruiting better than anyone else.

I was just talking to an Iowa guy about PSU this past weekend at a party. He was arguing Iowa's recruiting is underrated and better than PSU...and then pointed to Angelo Ferrari. Now...the kid is a great recruit, but I had to point out how PSU is the only school that can have two guys who are the favorites to win a title next year most likely, Haines/Messenbrink, probably flipping weights and both have 3 years left(assuming Haines takes a RS). A kid in Facundo who beat him, Several other elite recruits coming in, but just PJ Duke and Henkel, the #1 P4P and the #8 P4P coming in at those weights because they want the best competition. There are a dozen other examples, just stacking ridiculous depth at weights with underclassmen, but damn, it's just impressive.

Well...THIS season is also the NEXT season.

Yeah, it wasn't so much that it was offensive...it's just...ya know, you're the insider with that iron-clad NDA who's got the inside info...how hard can it be to write his name rather than repeatedly calling him "the Cuban?" Also, just to be clear, are we talking about Diversent? It's...Diver and then sent. That's it. So...I'll assume it's a different Cuban as that one is just...waaay too easy.

Ok...I get others calling him "the Cuban," since...well, they're not adamant about telling people how they're on the inside and they'll let them know(multiple times as though that someone changes the point that there are two BROTHERS who likely want to see each other in the lineup)...but the insider seems like he should call him something other than "the Cuban." This also makes me think of "The Swede" in Deadwood...who of course wasn't a Swede but was a bit of a psychopath, but I digress.

Well...the comp was Aaron Donald as in size and maybe HOW he would possibly win matchups...if he ever progressed to the point of being able to learn the basic technique. It was NEVER that he would be Aaron Donald. If you thought Stevenson would be Aaron Donald, you draft him with your 1st pick in the draft. MAYBE not 1-1 with the QBs, but at least top 6.

Probably doing some stupid shit...but I wish they could learn the lesson the same way I did...

Jesus Christ...kids getting a couple hundred from me. I was just in an ATV accident and...I was pissed because...well, doesn't matter why, I got my arm and I'm healthy. That's brutal.