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You can though. You LITERALLY can and we were literally given the power to do EXACTLY that. Scotus voted 5-4...so if the GOP hadn't kinda stolen SCOTUS, it could have easily gone the other way and LITERALLY interpreted the 2nd. "In order to maintain a WELL REGULATED MILITIA,".... But yes, you ABSOLUTELY can pick and choose. See how black people are no longer slaves and no longer 3/5th of a human being? That's because we pick and choose. See how we all get to vote for President instead of 68 people like in the first couple elections? That's because we get to pick and choose. We've got to pick and choose. That was kinda the ENTIRE point of the Constitution. Oh, and we're not the "most free" Country. Those pesky "socialist" Countries in Scandinavia are the most free...plus Canada, England, among others. We're the 23rd most free; https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index/2022 If you didn't have private prisons and Judges who get kickbacks for sending kids to prison, we may be higher, but I think having the most people in prison in the world lowers our rankings in the "most free country" category.

When they kiiled 20 kids and absolutely nothing changed...that's when I knew this was a lost issue. I figured...MAYBE after Vegas I was wrong, but...same end result effectively. Special interests going to bat for "bump stocks," using proxies to do it. It's almost funny. What's also funny is how "crime is up," because a guy had a story about someone laying under his truck to steal gas, but you point to these mass shootings(there have been a string of about 6 big ones in a ~3-4 day period) and that's statistically irrelevant if you add up ALL the days kids go to school and then you add all the schools... Jesus Christ...people think it's normal and healthy to have kids doing active shooter drills. Like that in and of itself won't have an impact on kids. Reading through this thread is just depressing and it explains how Joe Biden and the Ds have won the Oval and then basically won in the Mid Terms. Lying means NOTHING anymore. If it did...George Santos would NOT be a member of Congress(nor would Trump be worshiped with a literal Gold Statue people rub at Cpac, but that's another issue). MTG, Boebert, Jordan... So if lying to get elected to congress means nothing, why are people gonna care about lying or giving..."alternative facts," on message boards?

Isn't it strange how EVERYONE has a personal anecdote for just about every topic that always coincides with their own viewpoints? I HAVEN'T been the victim of a violent crime this year...and neither has anyone I know. PROOF! (Also curious how two events in two parts of the Country would provide "evidence" the Police would not "do anything" about the notorious gas theieves following this family from California to the Ozarks, but I AM curious how they were supposed to? Put out an amber alert for the missing gas? They say if you don't find gasoline in the first 48 hours...sadly, it's probably been trafficked and resold and is hundreds of miles away. What's left of it anyone.

I would be surprised if Wisc offered 40%. That's a pretty big scholarship and...really quite rare. If Wisconsin offered 40%, they believed in him a lot more than the stories from the Askren camp would suggest. Plus, as I heard it, Barry was pretty gunshy about...again, Wisconsin Wrestlers. The few truly elite Wrestlers from the state did little at UW. There was a guy Erick Swick who was an absolute beast(beat Sanderson the summer each was heading into their Fresh year). Won numerous NCs, International accomplishments, Dennis Hall, another Espoir World Champ, World Champ at the Sr level, Olympic Silver, there were others, but he'd been burned. Jesse Thielke and Destin McCauley(those were after, but still). Anyway, 100% scholarships are...pretty rare. You get 9.9. I don't know, but I thought it was quite a bit lower...and as I said, I don't believe they DID believe in him. I think he's correct on that front. But again...who he was a HS Wrestler and what he became...that's a WIIIDE chasm. Not sure there were a lot of Colleges who were going to give big money to Ben... Hell, Wisconsin is probably a powerhouse right now if they do. Keegan O'Toole, Keckhiesen, Messenbrink are likely in the lineup with Hopke, Sinclair, Mirasola and a few others on the way...plus guys I'm forgetting. Greyson Clark, Millard, they've got a lot of kids who are excelling at the next level all the sudden...and almost all of them are doing it OUTSIDE the land of 15,000 lakes(10,000 doesn't sound so impressive now, does it Minnesota).

Shocking! I don't know and I don't think anyone can other than Amos...but he was...kinda taking it to Allred until he tweaked it. 1st period he was in on a few shots(actually attacking), finally got the TD after a couple of nice attacks. Had a cradle locked up and Allred IMO should have been hit with a fleeing. 2nd, Amos was riding pretty hard. Amos gave up a reversal. Somewhere in this sequence is when he hurt the knee(tweaked it, whatever). But he was the aggressor and on the attack UNTIL that sequence. Then in the 3rd he was obviously struggling. He took an awful shot with absolutely nothing behind it and Allred went behind for an easy TD. He did nothing on bottom in the 3rd. So he goes from 2-1 on his way to riding time(~45 seconds) to a reversal, a sloppy shot, then in the 3rd a JV type shot attempt and ends up giving up a stalling point. I'm skeptical that Allred is 7-2 better than Amos, again, especially given the first ~4 minutes...but it wasn't my knee and I couldn't even see what happened...not that it takes much. And yes, I would not be surprised to see Assad and Warner lose to Pinto, Santa Maria and Allred come March. They're both studs and look solid.

Yeah, that's a bad rule. We had that same rule, but there were numerous exceptions. If parents split, or if they physically moved(can't blame a kid for parents moving to a new school district). Basically...if there was an honest reason, you could. If you were doing it solely for sports, you had to miss a year.

Amos hurt his knee in this match. Allred is a stud. I don't know how much it impacted the outcome...but not sure there's that big of a gap. Also...not sure why Amos doesn't shoot anymore(Aside from what sounds like a minor knee injury).

Yeah...that dude is impressive. Nebraska as a whole is impressive. I thought maybe Model would pull off another of his big upsets, but...twas not to be.

Nobody is saying HOW RBY beats Jesse? Yeah, it's generally not required to explain how one of the most dominant Wrestlers and a 2X Champ who hasn't lost since the B1G final in '20 is going to beat a Freshmen. I DON'T get why people get so pissy about this. If someone would have picked Jason Nolf over Izzy when it looked like he MIGHT be the next 4X undefeated NC or...and even bigger upset, Zain over Stieber...BOTH Freshmen who beat a 4X Finalist and 2X Champ and the later a 4X National Champ. Is this even crazier than suggesting Brooks would lose to Coleman? Upsets are wild and they happen and...I don't think one will happen in this match, but I think Mendez could push him. Make it a 5-3 type match.

Chael Sonnen...wish I could have been there to see him win one of his 4 Titles. People think Cael was the 1st 4X Undefeated Champ...and I'm just not sure how they missed this guy.

The Burwick scenario is a good example. It's something Bono had no control over yet he's still taking all the shit for it.

You beat me by seconds. Though, it wasn't Barry who said that, that WAS the belief at the time. It was also the belief by a LOT of people at the time. He was not a great athlete. He wasn't explosive. He made himself great. That and he's got incredible grip strength and flexibility in his shoulders. Watch Jake Herbert trying to get Askren off his leg. He could NOT do it.

First of all, Barry was a VERY disorganized recruiter. He was not good in person. There's an elite recruit...Davis was supposed to be at his house at 7PM. 9PM he calls and says he's "running late, is it ok if they still come." Sure, no problem. 11:30 on a School Night they come. And while Iowa was offering him 40%...Barry had never seen him Wrestle and only met with him because he'd heard he was good. So Barry didn't think there was much talent in Wisconsin(he was not wrong, particularly 20 years ago, but he kinda ignored what talent there was there). --This and then just Wisconsin's general Malaise is why Barry wasn't loved as the HC. I mean...people who knew the guy really liked him, but they didn't want him running the program. That said, he has Askren up for a visit, Askren was talking shit to the guys on the team about how he could...well, do what he ended up doing. They didn't like him, relayed that back to Barry. SOMEONE said they didn't believe Askren would have a lot of success in College...and at the time, very few people thought he would, and anyone who says they knew he'd go 2,2,1,1 and be so dominant or anything CLOSE to that...they are less trustworthy than George Santos. So they didn't go after Askren hard. Then Bono it was a couple things...mostly due to Covid and McDonough not being retained, Rotundo's scholarship money. About a week before he signed, they changed the offer. It was more backloaded. If he was on the team 5 years, it'd get progressively bigger. That wasn't the original deal, but they had to make room for another Wrestler. Askren said this was dishonest and immoral. They told the family....again, a week in advance, it wasn't an issue, but not it is. So how big of a deal you think that is, that's up to you. ALL of the rest of it is so petty and ridiculous that it's not worth getting into here. A big factor was one side wanting to get their club into the Wrestling room with the RTC guys and the other side having the University limiting how many people could be in a place at one time. Two big Egos. One Ego thinks he should have gotten the job as the HC at Wisconsin. The other did.

No, they've got quite a few guys there. Just not the top guys. Also, I wouldn't assume guys Messenbrink worked out with would be a selling point. Anyone watch the Last Dance? How a certain someone reacted in practice due to their "competitive" nature? Messenbrink wasn't allowed to work out with other Wrestlers half way through last year. This coach who was totally biased against him(John Messenbrink)...wouldn't let him. All of this to say, the kid is competitive as hell, probably going to be great because of his maniacal work ethic and how angry losing makes him. He needs to tone that down and I haven't a clue if that led to Cal Baptist not working out...but he seems like a Iowa/PSU type kid. Particularly PSU given his Freestyle aspirations. And now people are yelling at this post telling me how stupid it is, they've got Haines and Facundo and Kosak and a logjam. Yes, but Cael said Haines is "not long for '57." There's a believe that his RS was pulled this year because he likely wouldn't make '65 next year and could use a RS. So he could actually slide in at 157 pretty easily. All the same, I'm gonna bet Iowa.

First with Kolat...he's still remembered as the Greatest Wrestler in Pennsylvania History and arguably the greatest ever. Was he actually going to doing anything in 1992? I know he was also training with more than just Middle School kids. I don't know how to measure that, how to quantify the value of being a 4X undefeated State Champ and the best HS Wrestler in the best HS Wrestling State, but there's some. As for my Academics, I think the Math issue is really prevalent with the majority of Students. As I said, I thought I feel behind, but by the time I got to College, I was at least able to still pass Math 111(which was Trig and Pre-Calc). That was like this MASSIVE issue for most of the people I knew who just needed a C- in that class to graduate. You should be able to come out of HS and pass a lower level Trig class without too much issue or else you're falling behind. And if you fall behind one year in Math, you're falling behind in Chemistry and Physics and other classes needed it you want to be an Engineer for example. I don't really think I have a strong opinion on the way Kolat did it either. I know other kids who did it. Mark Hall did it, I remember Jesse Thielke did it because he was too small to Wrestle as a Freshmen otherwise. That makes sense to me. Or at least as much sense as kids settling in one sport by the time they're 6-7 years old and not playing any other sport and having them spend 4 days a week training all year round until the season starts, then it's 5 days with the HS and a couple more nights a week with a club(usually a Sunday). We've probably gotten waaay too over the top with the emphasis to be great at a young age...and at the same time, kids are reaping the rewards. Has there ever been another time when Freshmen were able to walk in and compete like they can right now? I'll leave it up to the parents. Despite a pretty serious accident that kept me at home most of 8th grade, I was still a good student. Probably not as good of an athlete as a Freshmen, but...whatever, I was never going to win 4 titles, so...oh well. One Cousin repeated 8th grade...he DID win 4 when he would have otherwise been too small and he'd said he felt like it gave him a chance to catch up. And other guys get burned out because their friends are all moving on and now you're in a whole new class. So...let the parents and the kids make the decision, but if it's exclusively so you're better the next year, I'd tend to frown upon it(but not too much as I don't find it to be my place).

Ahh...ok. Must have been at that point in the story, he wasn't yet a State Champ which is why they were dismissive of him. Still, just a 1X Champ in D3 in Wisconsin...you don't expect a 3/1/1. And yes, of course Cody is older. I guess just looking at the bracket seeing him losing in OT, it just kinda rolled off the tongue. He's also kinda forgotten about. He was "only" a 2X runner up and lost a couple of brutal matches to some studs...but when your brother is Cael? Probably quite a bit harder for Cyler though. They're all working now in some capacity with Cael, right? I know Cody's kinda the #3 at PSU and the other two are running the Sanderson Wrestling Academy, right?

Tim Hartung MAY have been one. I know he went on a 2 year run where he won 2 and I believe was undefeated, took a 3rd as a Soph and as a Freshmen....lost to Les Gutches(not in a close match, but then...I thought he lost on the backside to the 4th place finisher). The only reason it comes to mind is I remember growing up in HS going one of those Minnesota camps with my Cousin(28 days of hell just because that was baseball season and I missed a lot of it). But as the story goes he was from a little D3 school in Wisconsin(certainly not known for it's HS Wrestling talent at the time...it still ain't Penn, but it is looking better). But anyway, he sent all these clippings to Minnesota, his mother Wrote, he wanted so badly to go there. Never heard anything back. I wanna say there happened to be a stud that he kept running into(not Garrett Lowney, but a guy who was a multi-time Fargo Champ and Hartung just couldn't get past him). So Minnesota is recruiting this other Wrestler, they don't say who. Robinson sends a couple kids out there and he gets just throttled by Hartung. Teched in the round robin at Fargo. Don't believe he won it, but they saw the talent and he didn't have a former D1 Wrestler working with him, so he was raw. So Robinson asks 'how'd so and so look,' and one of the other coaches says, "well, he looked alright, but remember that guy who's Mom has been sending us all those clippings all year? HE looked like a stud." The message was...ya know, don't worry about who says no, be persistent, uh....you never know who's watching when you're Wrestling, just all those things about how you're supposed to behave. Anyway, it was a good story...I COULD be wrong, but I know he went 3/1/1 at Minn. The year he took the 3rd was that match between John Kadding...one of the toughest dude's I've seen Wrestle(I was a kid, so I thought perhaps I lionized him, but going back and watching him Wrestle with a torn ACL and...no, I didn't). 1999 by the way...may be the toughest group of Champs. I know I'm off topic now, but Sanderson(little brother losing a tight one to Guerrero in OT, Abas, Neal at HWT, TJ Williams, Cunningham, Pritzlaff...and then some of the matches. Hunter losing to Abas who had a 3-3 tiebreaker. Incredible Wrestlers. That'd be a good thread, best group of 10 champs.

Plenty...particularly when you know more about his history in the sport as it's not a secret. Again, it's not like he was made to cut down to 195 as a Sr when he was weighing 215 and FB was his goal. He NEVER Wrestled in HS. Frankly it sounds more like guys who didn't really Wrestle a lot and then tell you how much they hated cutting. The only difference, we know he was really good ats a kid. But he AGAIN, never even Wrestled in HS. He played Basketball along with Football. Said Football was his passion. That's enough context for me that he wasn't being forced or even asked to cut weight and that was the driving force behind him cutting weight. As I said, this shouldn't even be about Parsons, it's a larger conversation, but if you're asking given what we know about him, AND what he said in that interview...if it makes sense that he quit because of the weight cutting, I don't believe it. It makes more sense that he knew he was gonna play Football, he loved Basketball(it's just a lot more fun for most people and as a 6'4 freak athlete, I'm sure he was pretty damn good at it). It's not impugning his integrity(though a little event at PSU did that a little bit). I'm just saying it felt like it was more of a throwaway line.

He did...and again, he never HAD to cut weight to Wrestle for any HS team. He CHOOSE to play Basketball. He wasn't a guy who coaches were going to say "cut or you're not going to wrestle." It's possible he may have been on a stacked team and not wrestled early on without cutting(unlikely, but possible) but he never even got to that point. He went straight to Basketball. So when was this weight cutting? He was a big guy. The guy choose Football and Basketball.

If I could answer this as I was a 17 year old Sr by graduation...I think being held back another year would have been extremely beneficial. Not socially(athletically of course)...but academically. Also just maturity. Particularly if it would have been after 8th grade. I got into a pretty good accident in 8th grade, missed half the year, got a tutor and then feel so far behind in math, it took me 4 years to catch up at all and even then in College, I needed the air of tutors to help me with Calc and a couple other classes. Might not have made a difference....but Math is THAT class, once you fall behind, it's so hard to catch up. Actually, if I was a dictator, I'd make every kid who didn't have a plan of becoming a lawyer, Doctor, Engineer, some field like that, I'd force them to spend 2 years of service. Not with a gun(though...they could). But just doing bitch work. Digging ditches, being the grunts. Maybe a little learning a trade. way too many kids look down on that now like it's NOT now the easiest path to the American dream and a 6 figure salary without the six figure student loan debt. But it wasn't until I was 2 1/2 years into school and already close to finishing one of those "athlete" majors that I actually started to really enjoy the academic side of College. Enjoy learning. Luckily, I was able to become a grad assistant, I found something that I actually enjoyed. That should be another factor. That's a little side tangent, but we call this MEN'S Wrestling, MEN'S athletics. It's not Boys Wrestling any longer like in HS. As long as you're legally eligible, you're eligible. Who cares how old they are. I'd say we saw the worst of a few Iowa guys last year because they were so beat to hell after 7 years of Wrestling, but...it was legal and I couldn't fathom putting an asterisk next to Kemerer's NC(had he stayed healthy and...managed to get one) because he was older. I just don't care.

I entered College having just turned 18. My roommate had just turned 20(he was actually about 28 months older). He was held back in Kindergarten and then had a horrible period in his life where he was forced to live in Foster care for 18 months, they didn't send him to classes(whole lot more to the story that's not mine to tell...even anonymously) and he had to repeat 6th grade. So he was on the older side going into school, held back a year, then...family issues. I was on the younger side. I redshirted. By the end of my RS FR year, I was 19, he was 21 at the end of Feb. Soph 22, Jr 24, Sr 25 Not much different than a medical redshirt or an Olympic. We're adults by this age. I don't think wrestling a 24 year old puts me at a great disadvantage as a 21 year old. Also...life ain't fair. What about kids who don't enroll right away. Not sure what they want to do. Are we stripping their chances?

I don't think Cael is telling Starr to just worry about getting the Win at this point. Its the opposite of how his teams have wrestled since he got there. Starroci is on a level with Taylor and Zain, Ruth and any PSU Wrestler. I'm struggling to envision given how they wrestled...that he's saying, "just make sure you get the win," to a guy who that dominant vs a guy who...if his last name wasn't Brands, nobody would give him another thought. He's a fringe top 20 guy. I don't know that I remember PSU ever Wrestling like that and THIS wasn't the Iowa team that should have put must fear into PSU. Iowa was won more matches than I thought and it still wasn't that close. I'm sure it'll get much better in the B1Gs and the NCAAs. By the way, do you find a lot of people who are shocked when they found out about time zones? You said that like it was a SUPER wild concept! Happy you were...energized by the workout though.

I actually like PSU more than Iowa, but take 174 for example. You've got a guy who's won 2 Titles, on pace and the clear favorite to win a 3rd and could be the first 5X champ. He has 59 TDs and has given up 0 and he did very little. Brands was blocking...fine. One of the all-time greats(through his 3rd year) and he can't do more than win by a riding point on a guy who's barely top ~20? He can't get past Brands collar ties? Penn State was just boring. So was Iowa, this was a terrible match for #1 vs #2. This isn't about being a PSU hater. I hate to think what would have happened if Brooks wasn't wrestling a 165 pounder(maybe 57 if he's walking around at 171) and Assad wrestled. I think PSU has a chance for 6 Champs, 7 in the Semis or even finals(or did before last night, Bartlett was disappointing, but Woods is obviously a stud). But this was not like past Penn State squads.

Because of the context in which he said it. He quit before HS. He said 'He'd be weighing 187 one year and then 210 the next year, and my passion was Football, I knew that's what I was gonna do." So he cited weights from his Jr and Sr, didn't go out as a Freshmen and instead picked Basketball. So who was pushing weight cutting onto him? And I don't believe coaches were taking a National Champ and making him to cut to 182 rather than let him Wrestle at 195 if he so choose. We're agreeing with the larger point, but I don't think it makes sense in this particular case. I think it was a component of the sport he didn't like and not the actual reason. I'm skeptical...that's all. The story doesn't make sense to me. He was a great athlete, great FB player and a great BB player. Seems like he just...had more fun playing Basketball.

Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think he actually did. He said he went from 187 one year to 210 the next year. Well, he came out of High School weighing 215. So he'd have been able to fit into 220 easily. I don't actually think HE quit because he "had" to cut. I just don't buy it...particularly since he quit before HS. He said his passion was Football, and he was ALREADY getting attention by the time he was a Freshmen in HS for FB. BUT I don't think it's all that important why he said it or if HE actually did quit for that reason, I think the fact that you do have guys who quit because of their Football aspirations is the problem. So if he was maybe a little full of it, it's immaterial, it's a reality of the sport. It's not an issue with weight classes, I think it's a problem at schools where the FB coach discourages Wrestling on the basis that they'll have to cut and that'll interrupt their lifting and building, and then Wrestling coaches who push weight cutting at the HS level and drive Football players. They changed the weight classes to more than accommodate for Football players.