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Well...the comp was Aaron Donald in terms of size and weight, but isn't Stevenson even a little shorter and ~30 LBs lighter? Donald was playing at probably 290-300. I think this is a LONG shot, but it'll be interesting to see if he can at least stick on a PS and they think there's something to work with. He won't be asked to do the same things as those big 2-gap DL. I'd assume Buffalo is a one-gap scheme or it just doesn't make sense to even try and bring Stevenson in.

Yeah, I know. I was just kinda adding my opinion based on the Tweet that he's gotta get back the...whatever it was, drinkers and stoners out of the room. Going out and drinking is much worse IMO. BUT...I don't know if the kid does either still, so it wasn't necessarily a direct response about Carrol(save for the smoking in the bathroom at a meet).

What's NOT allowed now? They're going to be considered employees of the school. That seems...pretty minor relatively speaking.

The way MSU got out of the Tucker deal, it'd seem like they could definitely use this to fire Franklin for cause.

Maybe...or maybe he did a random test and Carroll popped. I don't know. I don't think Weed is a big deal anymore. I think if you're likely to go and work and get the extra workouts in, you're going to. I really don't buy the stereotypical 90s stoners thing. I also can't imagine being at a tournament and smoking. I'm one of those guys who gets SUPER paranoid and just can't/don't smoke pot. I've heard people say this type will help with pain and not make you paranoid and I've seen enough studies and former NFL players talk about the pain management aspect, but I don't know.

Yeah, that's cute. It was a pretty significant talking point when Favre lost weight. This is when he was "listed" at 220. He was fat. Was Favre "fat" the way you remember him? Or this anecdote. It's not that complicated. I watched the games, I remember how big he was(Dan Morgan stiff arm, look that play up, LB broke his ankle trying to tackle him) and he was NEVER listed that high. But cool cartoon.

I'm not going to keep arguing about this. You can believe me or not...but he was ~245. He was noticabely heavier. His "listed weight," was always 225-230...BUT, if he lost 20 pounds+, he either got down to 205(he didn't) or he was in the 240s. This has to be the most pointless argument! LOL...I threw something out there about Young that I was unsure of. But Favre, I watched every Packers game he ever played in. He was much thicker than he was at the end of his career. https://www.espn.com/espn/magazine/archives/news/story?page=magazine-19951031-article50

Google has their end of their career playing weights. As I said, I do not know about Young. I KNOW that Favre was 245. He was thick, he was big and he was demonstrably different looking physically at the end of his career. It was a pretty big story at one point how he was losing 20 pounds and trying to get in better shape. I'd guess halfway through his career, but...I don't recall exactly. Maybe it was around the time he went to rehab.

Yeah, I get the bad optics. I also view it how I think I'd view it. You get a couple hundred K and that money SHOULD be put away, you don't touch it, that money doesn't exist. You invest it and you forget about it. It's not even real to you. It's just over there....and you look at it a couple times a year or you have someone manage it and you see how it's doing. But I certainly get why people wouldn't care and wouldn't want to give him any money...but I don't need to see that it's a dire situation. It doesn't always have to be the worst possible case scenario IMO. It's not ALWAYS for the little girl who has cancer. It can just be giving a few bucks because you're a fan of a guy.

No, Favre was absolutely 245 in the early part of his career. He openly talked about losing weight and getting DOWN to 225. I don't know what Young actually was, I remember the 240+ LB Favre.

I don't really recall personally, just a number I remember from that article. I know he was similar to Favre in that he was the biggest earlier in his career. Favre was ~245 at one point, but...Young may have been 225. The article was no doubt hyperbole, but he was also a great athlete. Take the weight, the exact 40...I'm not sure either were accurate.

Shit, I could have just waited and won a few NCAA Titles!

Yeah...he was. He was also a guy who played mostly 1B and struggled to hit .300 in HS. I think his Baseball prowess has perhaps been exaggerated. A guy like Elway had a legit shot to be a star Baseball player. Steve Young would be on the other end of that spectrum. 6'2 245...they talked about moving him to safety. There's a story he ran a 4.38 40 in camp that Rice and Walsh swear by(which is clearly BS, but probably meant he could run a 4.5-something). But that's the point. Brady had the ability...like Peyton did, to process and play manipulate the pocket, but he never had the big arm(most of his backups probably had stronger arms). But 7 Super Bowls is 7 Super Bowls.

I can't see Sinclair being a good fit at '97. He's ~5'8 or so. He's an incredible Wrestler and can dominate HS kids at that weight, but there are some looong '97 pounders. Someone just mentioned Elam. 6'5? Trumble(if he's back down, may not be, but he has been) or a kid like Sasso. '74 or '84...would be my opinion. He's not that big. He's a stud and he'd probably do pretty well, but he'd be limiting himself IMO. I think he should take a RS and then go one of those two weights.

I'm honestly not sure if you're screwing with me or not! LOL...I think you are...I mean, you have to be, right?

Ross looked like there was something wrong with him the first time I saw him wrestle. He was all coiled up in that stance and it looked he had some back problems. Nope. The kid was just like 6'5 with a huge back. That kid looks incredible. Also would imagine we'd lose him to FB...

I can't tell if y'all are being serious. You're really arguing that... muscles are a detriment to Wrestling!?! It's a sport where you're trying to force people to do things they don't want to. Muscles...tend to be beneficial with that! Or are we mocking Jimmy? Because...I feel like Kyle Snyder or...pretty much every great Wrestler would disagree. I don't think David Taylor thought, "damn, these muscles are really making me tired."

I don't particularly care as long as people are up front about it. This one is...pretty straight forward. I know a guy who set up one because he was running a business...it was TOO successful, he needed to grow and he wanted to rent out a warehouse but he didn't want to take on the debt. That one...annoyed me. But I also just didn't donate(and he was also upfront...which is how I know about it). My Cousins Wife had one when he died and left his 6-month-old...and being 33, he had no life insurance(actually...he was trying to get life insurance, they found the cancer and he was gone ~12 months later). There's a wiiide range, but there are certain things I think are worthy of donations. Others less so. I'd like to start one with the goal of helping me realize my dream of having more money. My Mother is very sick...

LOL...no kidding! Had he simply said that he wanted Lee to win and he'd root for RBY for Silver...it's not a thread. It's over. NOBODY would argue with that(well, RBY's family may...but generally speaking). I guess you offered a suggestion and he took it!

Ok...but you're the only one who's brought up the loophole. That hasn't been anyone else's issue. That's a whole other discussion. This was about a GofundMe for RBY's parents and people taking offense because he was Wrestling for Mexico. Not because it compromised the integrity of the Olympics. It seems like it's pretty easy to go through the thread and see what's driving their...opinions.

Yeah, I watched them as well...and I'm with you on Bo and MJ, but I think you're understating Deion's greatness. The way he played offense, he was a weapon as a return man, the best cover corner in the modern era. I would take Jordan as #1 in this group because of what he actually accomplished, Bo as #2 just because he was such a great athlete, but if you weigh both evenly, Deion has to at least be in that conversation. He was both great in his team sports(really good player with the Braves, all-world with the Falcons, Cowboys and 49ers) and he ran a 4.2 something. I can't really argue AGAINST any of them...

Yes, he's up there. That's why it's impossible to go with the "greatest" of all-time. I can only go by Owens accomplishments, but they were amazing...particularly given how he won those Gold Medals! Speaking of which, biiig Bill Burr fan! He has a good line joke about Hitler. I think the whole bit is funny, but it starts with about 1:20 left in the video...if you care;

Does it? I don't know that I agree, but sure, lets say it does. It doesn't seem like it actually has to do with "making the Olympics worse," and more about something very different according to at least some. I'm not super interested in arguing about the rules or if they should be changed for this particular thread. The rules are the rules. I don't blame athletes for transferring and I certainly don't blame athletes for competing for another Country when the best couple of the best athletes in the world are in your Country and Weight.

Cool. I was unsure where you stood

There are two different ways to qualify this. Greatest TEAM athlete...as in accomplishments in a sport vs pure athletic ability. Tom Brady is recognized as the greatest FB player ever. Most punters were more athletic than Brady. So using that metric, Jordan is in a very-very rare group. Talking about just pure athletic ability. Speed, agility, strength, etc...I think Jordan was incredible, but Bo and Deion were different. Deion's speed and agility were off the charts, but the revisionist history is that he wasn't physical. Go watch him early in his career. He hit. He was pretty physical. He got beat up and had shoulder issues and then became the player people remember. Bo? He was incredible. Just the speed he had at 6'1 240, he ran away from DBs, he ran through LBs. I'd guess people would over estimate his stats, but he came straight from Baseball to Football and went for 5 YPC. And then baseball? The power, insane arm... So I guess if you combine the two, I'd say Jordan was better. Incredible athletic ability and is the greatest of his generation in terms of winning(greatest other than Russell in that respect, but even Russell had...what, 6 other HOFs).