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Perhaps I missed something, but can you tell me why you're fixated on Trump in this particular case rather than... the fact that you have biological Males competing against girls?

Ok...well, was this thread about Trump or the absurdity of a biological male competing against girls in the California State Track tournament series? I would also bet you have a different opinion about abortion, right? You likely think that it's wrong that this issue was sent back to the states vs the Federal Govt? Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Ok. I don't think a marginally higher tax rate will matter as much to people when our debt is 2X then 3X our GDP. Also, who's tax cuts are expiring? I seem to remember some were made permanent and some...were temporary...

I thought that was just an assumption... Why is "Craiglist fight club" in quotes? You really think she went over there as a prostitute? And it's not a very good job of selling herself as a badass role model. She says she lost that fight that you're dubious about and she talks about how inexperienced she is in Wrestling.

Not "unwilling" to articulate your point, unable as the facts don't match up. I don't know what you would need to "code" here on a message board. And what "challenge" have I refused?

The Nazi's. Keep up Boy. -People focused on Racial Purity. Ie, an ethnocentric nationalist. -An ideological authoritarian. No wonder you keep saying 'watch the video, watch the video,' like a poorly trained parrot.

Yeah, I don't think you understand what the word "Strawman" means either as I CONTINUALLY addressed your point in depth. Your specialty is trying to find someone who thinks what you do, but unlike you is smart enough to articulate it and then say, 'go listen to HIM, HE is smart!' By the way, while you bring up "Strawmaning," you quite literally DID bring up Pol Pot when talking about the biggest threats to Domestic Terroris!

I'm just curious how obsessed with Starocci and his...apparent lack of Wrestling ability he can be. He started numerous threads about 'Cstal' because he wanted to make sure a 5X National Champ wouldn't "pre-emptively" end up on the...Mr Rushmore of Wrestling. He's been talking about him for the last couple years and now he's still randomly bringing him up when the topic has nothing to do with him. You'd think with all the 4X Champs Iowa has, he'd worry about the....oh... ok, now I'm seeing it...

Every topic doesn't have to be about Trump's legislative agenda. You said you thought it was wrong. Why not agree...and end it there. Now questioning the knee jerk reaction to see if she even is trans is fine. Didn't dawn on me....I looked but the picture was too far away. But, it appears legit and based on that, you're arguing just to argue. Kinda like Scout or Jimmy(not as obnoxiously). But you know this is wrong. Who cares how many "rocks" they looked under? And CIF Sprinting is probably one of the best avenues to a women's Scholarship. Doesn't matter where it should rank for Trump, not about Trump, it's about basic fairness and right and wrong. This...is wrong and there's something wrong with this person in the head. The need for attention or what, I don't know. Lets just eliminate women's sports. They're pointless if we're doing this.

**Caveat, I do not know Ben Askren...or at least I don't talk to Ben Askren, but I know SOME people who are in his circle. Acute Pneumonia is what I've heard. I asked about the staph infection and apparently he had one, but that's not a pressing issue at the moment. While acute pneumonia can be deadly, it is GENERALLY only deadly for people who have pre-existing conditions or who are not in good shape. Knowing what I know of Ben, he could go out and run a marathon(well...just prior to this he could have) and wrestled a full 7 minute match. I couldn't understand if he was in a medically induced coma, if he was given something to help him sleep or if he was non-responsive from the pneumonia. It sounded like he was unresponsive because the Drs had given him something... but to make VERY-VERY clear, this is someone I know who is tangentially related to AWA and who may or may not have spoken to someone who's in the know. But the key here and the only thing I got that I have confidence in, is that it was acute pneumonia and the dangers of that are mostly impacted by your pre-existing conditions. So...the type of thing you would think a world class athlete like Ben Askren could suffer from.... but I would suspect the way he lives and how he takes care of himself will make all the difference here. Here's hoping he's on Flo or something in a couple months talking about how much this sucked and what a fluke thing it was. I wouldn't bet against Askren.

Definitely not going with 1, 3, 5 or 6... but I DO have to say... I'm not sure why people care so much! This is a girl who Dad(presumably... I default to the Dad, but it could be the Mom) shot his wife and then hit Conrol/Alt/Delete on himself... and she knows she's not good, she's just trying something. She was terrible, BUT...at least she's trying(there's 1) and who is she hurting by wrestling(there's the 2nd)? Raygun used her Marriage, husband to take another deserving person's spot on the team, and then just embarrassed an entire nation. If Crocodile Dundee came out now, nobody would care, but she cost Australia ALL their swagger. But a sad white girl who is REALLY bad at Wrestling losing two quick tech's? It's funny, but I'm not really outraged about it. It actually reminds me of a story. My Dad used to always screw with me and say, "did you see the kid from Pennsylvania who transferred to____" High school, that was always in our conference. And he'd say he was a 2X place winner, a runner up and a Champ. And my Jr year, there WAS a kid who transferred from PA, and this time it was my coach(who my Dad got in on the joke...and who you wouldn't think would screw with me like that) And I'm thinking....'great, this was supposed to be an easy season.' So I get him first round and he is...awful. Like...shoots in, falls to his back bad. I think he'd have ended up on his back losing his balance just on a penetration step. So I'm talking to him after the match, and I'm asking him...'so....you Wrestled in Pennsylvania? What level?' And he just says, 'oh, no, I never wrestled before today.' By maybe someone should tell me why I should hate Eve Barrington so badly!

What in the...f#$ are you talking about? You clearly just heard this expression but last the historical knowledge to apply it appropriately. What type of Economy did we have early in the Great Depression, in WWI, WWII, the Civil War? Lets give you ANOTHER example where you look up "Planned Economies," and they specifically cite the Nazi Party as a EXTREME RIGHT WING PARTY; So when you're a NATIONALIST Regime that focuses on Racial purity OR a theological authoritarian Government, THE-ARE-RIGHT-WING.

The first sentence is HILARIOUS coming from you as this ENTIRE debate started by YOU citing POL POT as "the greatest threat to Domestic Terrorism," and trying to attribute my beliefs SOMEHOW with Pol Pot. Second, you think Racial Supremacy...or a word that is apparently over your head, those in favor of an ethnocentric state is "a fundamental position of the LEFT in the US and abroad?" That's... just pure ignorance. There is absolutely no other way to interpret this at this time. You've EVEN argued that the "right" was the one who was ANTI-segregation and the LEFT was pro-slavery and pro-segregation. This tells me your knowledge extends no further than "Democrat" and "Republican," you don't understand what the Southern Strategy(which you no doubt reflexively deny) is about and MOST importantly, the fact that you STILL... STLIL after how many times that I've asked, you STILL WON'T ANSWER WHAT THE DEFINITEION OF CONSERVATIVE and PROGRESSIVE means. By definition, CONSERVATIVES would NEVER want to change a LONG established policy that would DRASTICALLY alter the way the Nation looks, operates and is economical systems. That's EXACTLY what happened. But you're so wrapped up in your inability to eve attempt to engage in anything resembling CRITICAL THINKING, that you just refuse to even engage. So either answer the question nor shut up. You've become obnoxiously ignorant and if you're this stupid, I feel bad for you. Speaking of videos though, I found one that is on your level. It's SUCH a simplistic explanation of the Nazi Party, their motivations. It's the type of thing we would have seen in World History...and wouldn't have needed two runs at College to figure out, but it's dumbed down JUST enough to your level. Cognitive dissonance. -It's effectively YOUR belief that out of something good(the right) there's no way something BAD could come out of it(which is why you've ALSO refused to give me ONE singular example of ANY bad right wing authoritarian regimes(which makes sense if you don't believe a ethnocentric nationalist is right wing by definition.

More appeal to authority because you're not able to articulate your point in your own words. I've seen his video before, it's a bias source and I've provided AMPLE evidence that I don't need to rely on someone else to tell me what is true. It is clear you do. I went to school for Finance and History. I'm well aware of the facts, I've laid them out here. You don't like them, so you just keep saying, "watch my video, watch my video."

Did you even read his view? They're questioning the narrative that this is a biological male. Only YOU could read this; SPECIFICALLY questions the veracity of FOX News reporting that she was trans, saying he's seen no evidence that she's not a women and you respond with err...'biology is a view? That's a new one.' You play to the lowest common denominator EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Ok, well...if in this particular case, the person in question is a biological women, then they deserved to win. My issue is the reflexive nature to fight on this issue. We are quick to judge and I'm guilty of it in this case.... but it was more @red viking who I think is a smart person...or @El Luchadorwho thinks in the same linear manner. Everyone bad is on the left, everyone good is on the right. We can be intellectually honest and maybe take a second. The Algerian Boxer was an example of someone who was immediately trashed unfairly. DSD is not trans... But when we see something that's just...objectively wrong... we should call it out, even if we view it as a left wing or right wing issue.

Ok. Then just start there and then the thread pretty much ENDS there. There's no need to argue when we agree. And you may have been involved in a LOT of athletics, but THIS is a MAJOR sports event. I'm a little surprised you'd make a joke and ask what even is this? Winning a State Title in California is a HUGE accomplishment. I have abused zero children in my life and I don't actually know anyone who has abused children. I do remember hearing this story about how my Aunt by Marriage had a great-great Uncle who suddenly changed parishes under questionable circumstances, but we don't know. MY BROTHER IN CHRIST....and ANECDOTE doesn't change ANYTHING!!! You've had power lifters who are trans compete in the Olympics! You just saw one of the largest track events in California. Who cares if your Niece actually knows about it? You just said you don't believe it should be allowed. That's a COMMON SENSE opinion. So...maybe just...go with that. It's pretty basic. Doesn't matter if it's 1 out of 2500...though it's more. You had a women win an NCAA NATINAL CHAMPION. Except...it wasn't a women, it was a MALE who transitioned to Female. That was 2019. That's not "under a rock."

So what? They should be able to look under EVERY-SINGLE-ROCK there is...in competitive sports in JHS, High School, College, at the Sr Level, at the Olympic Level and they should be ABLE to turn over EVERY-SINGLE-ROCK and not find a single example of it. If you're trans...ok. That's not my business. If you're trans and you need to compete against biological females(as a biological male or a trans women)... then explain to me the debate there? -You can debate at what age you allow puberty blockers. If you're a mother and you have 3 trans children(all boys who are trans-women) you're LIKELY behind it. A child coming home and saying, "I want to play with dolls," is not a sign they are actually girl. My god...WHY is this an issue ANYONE on the left fights? SOOOO few people believe this is fair, they're just afraid of losing the LGBT crowd. I don't want to lose the LGB crowd. I think they deserve rights and protections. I think the "T" crowd, if they want to ACT like they're crazy and compete against girls, we don't need to placate them. *****And YES, the right absolutely gets off on this type of stuff, Riley Gaines has turned into a sad grifter...but that doesn't make the lareger point wrong. Stop pretending like "assigned male at birth" because a child was born with a penis and balls is merely a CLUE as to who they are. That is a boy. That will become a man(unless Megan Fox gets ahold of that child) and when they are in HS or College, they should NOT compete against those "assigned female at birth" children. THIS IS A FVVCKING LAYUP!!! How are we blowing this one! Sorry theydies and shentlemen, you cannot compete in HS athletics OR...you can, but you must compete against the boys. It's SOOO simple.

I hesitate to even do this, but you haven't asked despite me asking about a dozen times. Where would an ethnocentric nationalist fall on your little scale of "Left vs Right?" Name a horrible regime of dictator who was far right? You haven't come up with one because I think your thought process is as simplistic as "Left=bad, Right=Good," so the bad guys can't be on the right! What's amusing is you think "leftists" have been "savagely destroyed," here! And I think you half belief that as I don't think you lack the capacity to engage in any nuanced thought process(though...it's really not even nuanced, it's pretty clear).

So Ford was controlled by the Nazi's? So you're arguing the United States was socialist during WWII? Have you ever heard of the "War Production Board," you child? Got it. I get it, you dug your heals in on the name of the Party...though you won't address the People's REPUBLIC of China and the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea... but since you realized the folly in that, you gave up., Instead, your argument now is effectively despite the Nazi's taking STATE RUN industries and PRIVATIZING them and leaning on industrialists... Hitler was an authoritarian, he dictated what industries must do in support of the War Effort, so he MUST be a socialist.... Now bury your head in the sand and ignore that the United States has done the same thing OVER and OVER again. You are now just saying if the Government forces private industry to do things, that's socialist...which may call for a 3rd run at College. That you just didn't KNOW the United States did this is...alarming. Ever hear about the inability of American's to get simple things like RUBBER or TIRES during this period? So who was controlling the means of production? You can't be this naive as to suggest that "Authoritarian=Leftist."

It's kinda weird how tax cuts were made temporary for some, but permanent for others. I've had wide swings in my taxes the last 5 years. I paid 197 Federal and 24 state. Other years it's been 15-20K and this next year, it'll probably be higher. I don't care that my taxes could go up. I've been lucky...to be born in America, to get a head start, to have people believe in me and support me when I decided to give it a go on my own and it's generally worked out pretty well. Better than I could have dreamed of. Now, lets say in 20 years I want to pass this down to my Son, Daughter. Lets say I'm successful enough to do so. What... the hell will the United States look like in 20 years? Elon posted the Debt is 98% of our GDP. It's not. It's well over 100% ~30T GDP(and due to tariffs it's growing at a lower rate). -35+T in debt. This ADDS to the debt and it doesn't do it to bail the US out from the Housing crisis, banking, the auto industry... Why can't we look at the 1940s and 1950s? No tariffs, so GDP grew at nearly 4% per year. That helps. Capped treasury yields. Can't do that now. TAX INCREASES. We used to care about the collective good. We're seeing the United States bankrupting itself. What about leaving the world better for our kids? Our TOTAL debt is 700% of the GDP(personal and Govt). 1 dollars then had the same purchasing power as 12.07 dollars today. 400,000 dollars then is worth about 4.83M dollars today. We were at 110% of our GDP' Since Dwight D Eisenhower, there has been ONE Democrat who has NOT cut the deficit. Jimmy Carter who took over wage and price freezes. LBJ, Eisenhowever, Clinton and Obama have ALL cut the deficit substantially. Among Republicans, Trump blew the deficit up(and he did so before Covid), Bush added 3T, Bush Sr added and he TRIED to address it and he was crushed for it. This is also at a time when he was going to lose to Gary Hart, but it turned out he was having an affair and that ended his candidacy... which would likely not happen now. But we have men and women who go and die fighting for each other in the name of this Nation(you can argue how much of that is actually in the interest of the Country or not...but that's what they sign up to do but we can't afford to pay a SLIGHTLY higher tax rate to ensure the future of the Republic. The United States... will not be the world leader in 50 years at the rate their going and what happens if there is some economic disaster like Covid(another pandemic WILL happen) or the bond market crashes. Not just a day where the 20 year gets over 5.1, but if people no longer want to buy our debt...and we just keep printing, it's a MASSIVE problem. This isn't a what WILL happen, the election is over and I can admit who won(as opposed to some on the other side). But you talk about the party of fiscal responsibility and it's is just objectively the left. There's no quantifiable evidence to dispute this.

LOL...there's something amusing as someone with the intellectual acumen of Jimmy posting about learning your colors...or whatever it was. I only see it when you quote him, but you can guarantee he took this entire discussion from what one of his favorite Russian Paid right wing "influencers," like Bennie Johnson or Tim 'I need to ewar a beenie in 90degree weather to hid my bald head-Poole. There have been air quality warnings where I live, hundreds of miles away. I also can't get in to see a family member(the same one the morally righteous and indignant Jimmy has mocked) without wearing a mask. People wore masks before Covid. Jimmy can't wrap his head around this.

LOL...you have a better chance at winning the lottery than actually "savagely destroying" anyone! But...lets set that aside. My own personal choice is boring. I'd buy a Jeep Rubicon or something that can go through almost anything, just a tank and then I'd put a lift kid on it, some big old off-road tires and use that to drive around on my land. I'd be doing this for limited use, so while it's not exactly the most expensive vehicle, I wouldn't spend that type of money unless it was no issue. Big 15,000LB winch, Brush Guards, basically a tank. Either that or one of those custom made SXS. An Xpidition I'd do the same with. I don't have much desire for a car. I've driven a family members Mercedes 12L convertible. It was fun, but... I wouldn't want to drive it much. I'm perfectly content with my '24 Tundra Capstone. So maybe a 2025 Tundra or a Rivian if I could get a backup battery put in there. Those things are just SO nice. Nota bout it being an EV, they're just nicer. Give me 1000 Miles and then I can charge it. BUT... I would buy my old man a '70 Chevelle SS 454. He talks about how much he loved that car and given allhe did for me, starting my business, all the sacrificing. It'd also come with a couple hundred acres, 30 of them fenced in, some hores and a massive 'barndiminium,' with a tractor. I'm pretty boring when it comes to this topic. But yeah, mostly just something for my Dad and then my Uncle. Hell, I might just take his Diesel Rubicon and buy him a new one and a SXS for him as he has to walk a few miles each day in the cold to take care the property. That'd be the best part of winning the lottery. Being able to do things for the people who've helped me my whole life...

I'd go back to my larger point. It's lazy and ignorant to try and associate ME with Pol Pot, Mao or other Communists because they fit on a lazy, 19th-20th Euro-centric definition of "right/left," that isn't applicable to American Politics in any real way. But so long as he wants to keep lying and calling me a communist despite the fact that I've repeatedly and vehemently argued for a capitalist Government. So just for starters, you need to have a basic understanding of what constitutes "right," and "left" in a historical context. An Ethnocentric Nationalist...is about as Right Wing as it gets. Above ALL else, that's what Hitler was. But then you look at all the private industry, how he took state run business and privatized it...and if you're argument is, "he was an authoritarian, he told private industry what to do," then... it gets even dumber. As I said, THE UNITED STATES did that, but what's more, you can't argue there's been historically evil leaders or regimes who were far right. Then again, this is the same guy who tried to argue that it was the PROGRESSIVE party that tried to keep slavery/segregation and it was the CONSERVATIVE party that tried to do away with each institution. So he fundamentally doesn't understand what words mean and he'll apparently insecure about his own political beliefs and thinks that if he admits the...painfully obvious, ie, Hitler was the far right, then that is somehow a reflection on him because...he is to the "right" of the American political system. Its such a rudimentary understanding of these meanings, no evidence is going to convince him. It doesn't matter that IBM, Krupp, Volkswagen, Ford(a notorious supporter of NAZI Germany), Bayer, IG Farben... hell, if you take away private industry, the NAZI party is but a shell of itself.

OH...yes, absolutely. That is 100% right. I'm more than prepared to let you take this argument up, but he took a right winger's video that really contorts or just ignores facts and said "watch this." That he's unable to make his own coherent argument without just appealing to someone else's authority, in this case, ironically appeal to someone who has a PHd in a thread in which we're talking about how useless College is was...particularly amusing. But yeah, it's just silly. And resorting to the "he forced private industry to do..." whatever(he did). Well, the United States did the same thing in WWII. We mandated that private industry help the War Effort and manufacture the tanks, vehicles, munitions, all things needed for War. But Hitler does it and now it suddenly changes something? Then lets use the same argument. We were a socialist Nation during WWII(as well as WWI, the Civil War).