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So you DIDN'T say Churches are commonly attacked and the media doesn't cover that? Ok then...I apologize. You must have forgot saying it, but for the sake of this converstion also being over, sure, your very first post isn't a post you made and I created that strawman... This must be the "strawman" that I made up, right?

What are you doing? Who are you arguing with? It's NOT mspart. You keep claiming he said something he didn't. It's not me as I've just pointed out what he said. You want to argue about YOUR perception of what "MANY Christians think?" I don't know how to do that. I WILL say...the majority of Palestinians believe in Jihad...for what it's worth...which isn't much as that's even further off-topic. You took issue with something that was never articulated in this thread.

Sure, if that happened today, it'd be celebrated and I don't think he actually knows what he's talking about... but Anwar, that was justified. Abdulrahman al‑Awlaki being hit, that was not good.

Yeah, if our MOP's didn't destroy it, nothing Israel has will.

Red, he said the same Goddamn thing about both Religions. It's just that simple. He even made a point to clarify. But sure, lets ask, @mspartdo you think "true Muslims murder in that fashion?" Or do you think if Muslims murder in that fashion, they are not "true" Muslims? For Christ sake, can you answer this so we can end this. And if I'm wrong, I'll apologize Red. But it seems abundantly clear what he was saying TO ME.

I don't believe you know what a strawman is. You said Churches are "commonly attacked," and "the media doesn't cover them." Your evidence was... nothing. It was "The Christian Warrior" said so. So I said I'll rely on actual facts since you don't seem concerned with providing anything other than a link to a YouTube site where the FIRST video he talks about...is a car jacking. That's not a strawman, that's YOUR source. When Churches are attacked...which is rare, it gets media coverage. You can keep saying strawman, but...it's lost any meaning.

No... that will be impossible. There is not a single "nice socialist country." There ARE some nice countries that are capitalist that have Universal Healthcare...not a nice socialist one. Now I'm more worried for you and where you may be going.

Scout has lost the plot. Apparently I'm opposed to striking Iran(despite quite clearly telling him I was not in the slightest). He was ALSO making the argument here that it's the Muslim's who are "doing all the killing," but then took issue with Obama's drone strikes. Again, he can't seem to stay on topic or make a coherent argument as he's only going to argue the opposite of whatever I do. But that's what Jimmy/Scout does.

It is? Where did I say that? In fact...I've repeatedly said just the opposite. You're the only hypocrite here(as I pointed out yesterday when you made this argument, the day prior and the day prior). I've NEVER said he(Trump) was wrong to bomb Iran. You truly lack the mental capacity to carry on a coherent conversation, don't you?

He said; There's nothing about Muslims in this post. Then he immediately follows up by saying; "Good Muslims don't murder. Good Christians don't murder." Full stop. You're seeing things that aren't there...unless you want to show me what you're talking about. That said, I don't agree, I think Religion DOES need to be discussed in these fanatics actions and I also think that'd be THEE story. If this was a Muslim. But he's been pretty consistent in the "not a good____" position.

I strongly disagree. They didn't attack civilians and the Iranians who live in the US are ALMOST all those who fled when they overthrew the Shah and they'll have no sympathy for Iranian Nuclear Bunkers being blown up. The threats are sleeper cellls who are here from Isis or those weird kids who join up or...the long wolf. But it's America. That happens every-single-day. There's only so much we can do about that.

1-They were obviously trying to build nuclear bombs. They were always going to. They're too weak. Their military is weak. This is why they fund attacks on Israel, they cannot actually stand toe to toe with Israel. They want it as a deterrent, to be taken seriously, to use it on Israel...that you can question, but after 2018, they've again been working toward Nuclear Weapons. 2-I don't know if they were cagey about it... I honestly didn't pay much attention after we pulled out of the agreement where they said they wouldn't pursue nuclear weapons. You could argue they were being "cagey" then, but our State Department and the Civilian Oversight committee made up of the top minds in the field(the same IAEA we used as a source this time to say they were enriching uranium) all said they were adhereing to the rules set forth. 3-Nope. At least the Govt. 4-And Iran wants to take away Israel entirely. 5-I'm good with it. No civilians as you say and...Iran could be an enormous source for good in the Region...IF the people raise up. If you start killing civillians, they'll hate us no matter what. If they overthrow the Ayatollah, perhaps we could get back to the relationship we had in the 70s. 6-I don't think Trump is a good negotiator, but Iran had little choice but to call his bluff. They need to be a Nuclear power. Their leader was in hiding, we'd taken out several of their top military leaders. The US Military vs Iran is...well, FA'ed and FO in '88 with Operation Preying Mantis when we took our the majority of their Navy...and we didn't even want to. That wasn't the plan, but a couple ships fired on us and we just obliterated them. 7-...maybe. I don't know what they'd negotiate. But sure. 8-I'd feel a lot better if Israel stopped bombing other Countries if we're to contain this. Now Russia is running their mouth. I still think very little of Trump, but we only got involved because we had to. There was no other choice. If Israel could have, we'd have given them the Bombs and they'd have flown them... but they didn't.

I didn't pick up on anything like that from mspart. He seemed to just not want to mince words and simply said you're not a good Christian or Muslim if you kill people. And sure, the Muslims YOU would know, those who live next to you, they're ALMOST always fine people. Nobody is saying being Muslim makes you worse. I have very good friends who fled Iran(well, mostly their parents and grandparents) and then moved to India, then immigrated here. Great people. As I said, I think one of the things that contributes to tens of millions of Muslims who are fanatics is...they live in poverty. They live a hard life. Maybe that's not it. Maybe it's more culture or maybe it's because they're virtually all authoritarian. There's a long history of Christian Nations with Authoritarian Regimes who had a lot of fanatics living within their borders. And then over the last ~250 years(not exactly a coincide)... most of those "Christian" Nations became Democratic Nations and the Christian Fanaticism became far less pervasive. But never did I read what mspart said and interpret that as him saying "true" Muslims are bad but "true" Christians are good. Regardless, I feel like he cleared up his point by saying a Good Christian and a Good Muslim wouldn't murder. That's as balanced as you can get. Edit- I DO disagree when he says "Christianity had nothing to do with it." Of course it did. Religion has been used to create fanatics for thousands of years.

You'd assume(or at least hope). Trump did say "I don't know what the hell happened to Putin," which...I found weird as he's always been a monster, but I took that to mean their relationship had soured. I'm a bit concerned what the "diplomatic" means in the contest of the Russian-Ukrainian war and how Russia may use this bluff(this HAS to be a bluff) to gain leverage in that conflict.

So...to be clear, NOW you're citing a the editorial page of the Guardian and condemning the drone attacks against Islamic Fundamentalists? Man, you sure are a leftists, aren't you!

Oh...wow. Thank you for answering the rhetorical question I posed! So I GUESS when Scout was saying; As well as; I guess I was under the IMPRESSION he was talking about Muslims. Apparently when he critical of bombing Isis and other Islamic Fundamentalists....who knew!

Ok... and they weren't all "illegal aliens," there bud. That's the point I'm attempting...apparently with very little success to convey to you. It is LEGAL to come to the US through a legal port and seek asylum. You're entitled to a hearing. The US also granted Protected Status to many people that Trump is not deporting.... meaning, they were NOT here illegally and claim that "100%" of those Trump OR Obama deported were illegal is...ignorant. It's also obtuse to pretend you don't understand the point I was making. You're not Scout, I'm fairly sure you were capable of understanding the point(hell, Trump understood it when he said he was going to "deport the criminals first."

Well that's just objectively false and extremely ignorant. The people who were promised safe haven and granted TPS after working with the US Military in Afghanistan, THEY'RE here illegally? It's illegal to enter through a legal port to seek asylum.

LOL... suuuure bud!

Well... that's a bit of an oversimplification. I don't think everyone who kills in the name of religion is just crazy. I think Religion can be used to create zealots... as we've seen time and time again in history. I don't believe you have tens of millions of Muslims with mental health issues, I think they have more zealots. In any event, I was responding in particular to the part where you spoke of the biggest clowns on the board. You can't make that list without Scout/Jimmy.

It's odd that it's only your connections I struggle with. As you jump around from one topic to another and then just blurt lines out from several posts go when you'd just been talking about the Crusades. What "side" I'm on? You ever think that's part of your problem Jimmy? I'm on the "side" of the facts and my Country. So SHOCKINGLY I can BOTH be a liberal... AND easily acknowledge that the Muslim world is more oppressive and there are more fundamentalists. You on the other hand can only echo whatever it is you see from MAGA Twitter. Would you feel better if I condemned the attack in Iran and was a hypocrite like you and denied the IAEA's reports? You're too dumb to realize I'm consistent here. I believed the IAEA in 2018 when they said Iran was following the agreement...and I believed them after we dropped out when they said they weren't. You view this too much as a team game with zero ability for critical thinking Jimmy...err...Scout. That's alright...I have exceedingly low expectations of you.

Yes. Obama deported the people Trump SAID he'd deport. Those who committed crimes here. 92% of those who he deported had committed crimes IN the United States and they got legal orders to deport them. 41% of those Trump has deported committed crimes IN the United States. But...I'm sorry, I'm confused, I thought "the Dems" were all for open borders? Now we're criticizing Obama for deporting too many undocumented who committed crimes? That's odd.

You're speaking in code here. What are you trying to say exactly? I'll go first. Christian Fundamentalists and Muslim Fundamentalists both believe they're justified in killing in the name of God, they just use different books to justify it. TODAY there are a HELLUVA lot more Muslim Fundamentalists around the world than Christian. That's just a fact. I attribute it to economic factors. When you live in poor nations with very little, people turn to Faith. Western Nations with more money tend to have fewer people living in those conditions. Doesn't change the underlying point that there are simply most Mulims who are fundamentalists. To deny that is...to deny needing air to breath. If YOU think that makes them "true" Muslims, that's... a whole different issue.

Sure... this is a stupid post and clearly not written by Trump, but... it's amazing Russia would even threaten such nonsense. I can't imagine what other Nation would consider doing the same(Pakistan, North Korea)? U.S., Russia, China, and India are the only 4 that have the capabiliity to launch from Land, Air and Sea. This would be a good time for Diplomacy. 2018 was a good time as well, but we're past that now. As strongly as I dislike Trump, I do NOT think he is a Hawk. He's terrified of getting drawn into a war in which we put boots on the ground or any form of combat. Lets hope the "Mad Man Theory," works here. It's a big more credible after the attack on Iran. I do think striking Qatar and Iraq is a VERY dangerous move by Israel.

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