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It's not much of a distinction to me. David Taylor was a better "teammate" than Leader as they had ample leadership, but it's tough to find a 2X Hodge winner, 4X finalist and one of the top ~10 greatest Wrestlers ever. I've seen no evidence he's not exceptional in both regards.

Ok...so not on his College team, but competing with the guy who was his biggest threat to make the Olympic team, Taylor and Brooks didn't train("out of respect," per Brooks) and then the knee injury presumably in 2019 that he tried to rehab? And you're claim is that he "hid" the injury so Nickal couldn't Wrestle(though he did) and the purpose of hiding it was to prevent Nickal from winning a medal? I thought he was just trying to rehab and was unable to do so. So in this case, he'd have had to work out with Brooks and disclose his injury to Nickal so he'd cut down to 86 instead of going 92KG where he couldn' beat Cox? I'm not sure how either would be disqualifying or how they relate to what was pretty clearly a discussion about College Teammates. No, a leader doesn't have to put anyone's goals before his own or it's "needs." They need to do the right things. They can lead by example, they can be vocal. You want a precise definition, go look up the definition of leader. I feel like most people who's been around the sport know it when they see it. -Good Role Model -Lead by example -Don't get into trouble -Don't get arrested for rape or crash your truck into people(so it definitely doesn't just get "dropped" on the best Wrestler in the room). If you get hired one of the 3-4 blue blood programs in the Sport and it's probably the most consequential move in the sport in ~15 years, I'd guess it's safe to say you're a good leader. If you want ME to give you an exact and all encompassing definition of a leader...I'm probably not going to be able to do so.

Are you trolling? He's absolutely right, the best Wrestlers TEND to be leaders as well. Where are you getting the "aren't actively trying to abuse your teammates on a personal level," nonsense from? Everyone knows what it means. Lead by example, you're working hard, you're helping the younger kids...just...being a leader. Does every iteration of being a leader need to be spelled out? And please don't come back with assholes who were great Wrestlers but not leaders. The point was they TEND to be or they usually are. I'll assume Zain, DT, Ruth, Lee, Wrestlers like that have been pretty good leaders. I'd assume Spencer Lee has been...you watch what he did for his workouts, I'm sure you've got young guys who he's influenced.

Yeah...I read that as his floor...because normally your brain fills in nonsensical comments with more logical thoughts. No clue why his "ceiling" would be AA.

No...just saying how long those couple weights seem to be locked up. If Haines took a RS and went to '74 and Facundo wrestled this year, I still don't see how you fit all these kids in there. SVN, Kasak(who seems more likely to end up at '57/'65 than down to '41 after a RS year as has been speculated...though that was a while back). Meesenbrink, then Cunningham is a guy people tend to gloss over with Duke and Henkel. Just an incredible job of picking the right kids and these kids with the supreme confidence to believe they'll earn a spot. If you were a '74/'84, are you picking Iowa right now? Arnold and Angelo? I'm not a PSU fan beyond just being a fan of the sport and respecting what they're doing, but I'm curious how they get all these kids to come there. Didn't even mention Barr...who may be an '84 with Ryder and the Mirasola brothers. If they get a couple teammates from Bishop McCort, man, would that be a fun lineup to watch in a couple of years. Maybe a HWT from Iowa in that same class?

No. He's not actually right. He's actually wrong. PSU is recruiting better than anyone else.

I was just talking to an Iowa guy about PSU this past weekend at a party. He was arguing Iowa's recruiting is underrated and better than PSU...and then pointed to Angelo Ferrari. Now...the kid is a great recruit, but I had to point out how PSU is the only school that can have two guys who are the favorites to win a title next year most likely, Haines/Messenbrink, probably flipping weights and both have 3 years left(assuming Haines takes a RS). A kid in Facundo who beat him, Several other elite recruits coming in, but just PJ Duke and Henkel, the #1 P4P and the #8 P4P coming in at those weights because they want the best competition. There are a dozen other examples, just stacking ridiculous depth at weights with underclassmen, but damn, it's just impressive.

Well...THIS season is also the NEXT season.

Yeah, it wasn't so much that it was offensive...it's just...ya know, you're the insider with that iron-clad NDA who's got the inside info...how hard can it be to write his name rather than repeatedly calling him "the Cuban?" Also, just to be clear, are we talking about Diversent? It's...Diver and then sent. That's it. So...I'll assume it's a different Cuban as that one is just...waaay too easy.

Ok...I get others calling him "the Cuban," since...well, they're not adamant about telling people how they're on the inside and they'll let them know(multiple times as though that someone changes the point that there are two BROTHERS who likely want to see each other in the lineup)...but the insider seems like he should call him something other than "the Cuban." This also makes me think of "The Swede" in Deadwood...who of course wasn't a Swede but was a bit of a psychopath, but I digress.

Well...the comp was Aaron Donald as in size and maybe HOW he would possibly win matchups...if he ever progressed to the point of being able to learn the basic technique. It was NEVER that he would be Aaron Donald. If you thought Stevenson would be Aaron Donald, you draft him with your 1st pick in the draft. MAYBE not 1-1 with the QBs, but at least top 6.

Probably doing some stupid shit...but I wish they could learn the lesson the same way I did...

Jesus Christ...kids getting a couple hundred from me. I was just in an ATV accident and...I was pissed because...well, doesn't matter why, I got my arm and I'm healthy. That's brutal.

Yeah, our RBs coach got a spot on the Jets 90 man when he was like...26. He was huge, he was fast...and he was gone real quick. It's the NFL. The guy packed every pound of muscle onto his body that he could have WHILE remaining an elite athlete with the flexibility and speed. And he was...IDK, 190 and pretty fast. Hard to know as he worked out and our Strength and Conditioning coach did hand timed 40s. So I was between 4.4 and 5.1... depending on if he looked away and happened to squeeze before I finished the last 10 or if he just forgot to hit time. He was getting tested pretty consistently at the 4.4-4.5 mark. Big gap, but...it's hand timing. That's how it works.

You're kidding me, right? I JUST posted a multiple. He was FAT...that was from Glandville. An article that talks about him losing 20 PLUS pounds. Another that says he played at 240 during the SB(he was fatter earlier). He wasn't a "Hof type qb" when he was fat. I'm not sure how you're this thick. He also sure as hell wasn't controversial. You act like his Career all just happened in one moment like the big bang. John Clayton; Call him the liar....you're annoying me... And no, you're not to believe that "big skinny Cass" was discussed more than Favre's weight. Though...it really doesn't matter as long as you're throwing the Football. And for the record, Dan Morgan was a 6'2 245LB Off-Ball. You think a 217 LB QB is going to stiff-arm him and put him on his ass so bad he snaps an ankle on the way down?

Well...the comp was Aaron Donald in terms of size and weight, but isn't Stevenson even a little shorter and ~30 LBs lighter? Donald was playing at probably 290-300. I think this is a LONG shot, but it'll be interesting to see if he can at least stick on a PS and they think there's something to work with. He won't be asked to do the same things as those big 2-gap DL. I'd assume Buffalo is a one-gap scheme or it just doesn't make sense to even try and bring Stevenson in.

Yeah, I know. I was just kinda adding my opinion based on the Tweet that he's gotta get back the...whatever it was, drinkers and stoners out of the room. Going out and drinking is much worse IMO. BUT...I don't know if the kid does either still, so it wasn't necessarily a direct response about Carrol(save for the smoking in the bathroom at a meet).

What's NOT allowed now? They're going to be considered employees of the school. That seems...pretty minor relatively speaking.

The way MSU got out of the Tucker deal, it'd seem like they could definitely use this to fire Franklin for cause.

Maybe...or maybe he did a random test and Carroll popped. I don't know. I don't think Weed is a big deal anymore. I think if you're likely to go and work and get the extra workouts in, you're going to. I really don't buy the stereotypical 90s stoners thing. I also can't imagine being at a tournament and smoking. I'm one of those guys who gets SUPER paranoid and just can't/don't smoke pot. I've heard people say this type will help with pain and not make you paranoid and I've seen enough studies and former NFL players talk about the pain management aspect, but I don't know.

Yeah, that's cute. It was a pretty significant talking point when Favre lost weight. This is when he was "listed" at 220. He was fat. Was Favre "fat" the way you remember him? Or this anecdote. It's not that complicated. I watched the games, I remember how big he was(Dan Morgan stiff arm, look that play up, LB broke his ankle trying to tackle him) and he was NEVER listed that high. But cool cartoon.

I'm not going to keep arguing about this. You can believe me or not...but he was ~245. He was noticabely heavier. His "listed weight," was always 225-230...BUT, if he lost 20 pounds+, he either got down to 205(he didn't) or he was in the 240s. This has to be the most pointless argument! LOL...I threw something out there about Young that I was unsure of. But Favre, I watched every Packers game he ever played in. He was much thicker than he was at the end of his career. https://www.espn.com/espn/magazine/archives/news/story?page=magazine-19951031-article50

Google has their end of their career playing weights. As I said, I do not know about Young. I KNOW that Favre was 245. He was thick, he was big and he was demonstrably different looking physically at the end of his career. It was a pretty big story at one point how he was losing 20 pounds and trying to get in better shape. I'd guess halfway through his career, but...I don't recall exactly. Maybe it was around the time he went to rehab.

Yeah, I get the bad optics. I also view it how I think I'd view it. You get a couple hundred K and that money SHOULD be put away, you don't touch it, that money doesn't exist. You invest it and you forget about it. It's not even real to you. It's just over there....and you look at it a couple times a year or you have someone manage it and you see how it's doing. But I certainly get why people wouldn't care and wouldn't want to give him any money...but I don't need to see that it's a dire situation. It doesn't always have to be the worst possible case scenario IMO. It's not ALWAYS for the little girl who has cancer. It can just be giving a few bucks because you're a fan of a guy.