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They grow 'em mean down there!

In HS a flagrant misconduct is a -3 as opposed to college being -1 so likely both were the same situation.

For me to be able to properly answer your question- tell me which one you think is most likely to win...

Not worth going back to where my head was or wasn't last night. I got you now (I hope). I do now assume the first McIlravy tf/mt is, in fact, an mt as you suggest. I was trying to remember an incident from that tourney and now am sure it was then and about this bout. I had just printed out a team score and handed it to announcer Sandy Stevens. She must have announced it before I realized. Suddenly one of the Brands (probably Tom) came up to me and said the score was wrong. Eventually I figured out what he meant (I didn't hear her announce it so I didn't understand how he knew). My old tournament software from back then had a parameter I had to set to handle the tf/mt situation. It occurred to me after Tom insisted about the score that I hadn't set the parameter. I think that was only the second year of the rule. So, I'm guessing that wrestlingstats - Jay Hammond- saw the earlier win type and never changed it later. I'm not sure which of the other two tfs are the other mt but guess Williams since there appear to be more escapes. For those that might wonder how Brands would handle this- he was very calm but insistent. He waited for me to follow him then went away. I don't think he knew what the score should have been but he or someone else in the Iowa contingent knew that there shouldn't have been a .5.

One last time- do you have a worksheet of some sort? This probably is the wrong track to take. Could be cons bye points and/or a penalty point.

There was no rt- didn't go 7 minutes. 5:28. Do you have some kind of worksheet I could look at?

https://www.wrestlingstats.com/ncaa/pdf/brackets/NCAA 1997.pdf McIlravy's both had to be techs. 20-5 guarantees near fall points. 24-8 pretty much does also. Subtract a max of 4 penalty points and you're way over get 2 give 1. And I don't believe there was that much stalling going on. I can't remember the caution penalty sequence but they're both techs. The 20-5 ended in 5:28 so no rt. 5 escapes - 1 in whichever period he was down. The other 4 would have been from tds or rev. Then there could be at most 3 other period ending tds. That's way short of 20. 150 Bono Rd of 16 158 Williams 1/4s Do you have your spreadsheet I could look at? Maybe I'll remember something. IIRC this was the first event that we put brackets up on the internet semi-live. I would post a bracket file to some network directory and it would chew it up. I never looked at what they did though.

Fujita was injured.

BTW, I couldn't let @flyingcement down!

Gene Glass, Kent State 1946 165

Looks like late 60s- ~68 when it became a thing. I think someone a little earlier suggested it.

I see 2. There are a couple years without brackets on wrestlingstats so could be there. Obviously had to be early years. I knew the 1936 Unl situation as I knew Scobey (Lehigh) only had 3 in the weight so the 3rd had to be one. Dell Shockley- Ok St 1929 115 Gordon DuPree - Oklahoma State 1936 Unl

I thought you were implying football.

Steven Neal?

So far, I've got answers of it being called Mat Town back to the early 70s.

Lock Haven has long been known at Mat Town. I'm going to see what Tom Elling knows about the origin.

Since Chael is with MMA maybe his saying he didn't hit him is something like Crocodile Dundee saying-

Not sure on a year by year basis but basically we grabbed pdfs from the NCAA (as it says on the site) rather than using the Access data and generating as JB says. We held out a few years more with the EIWA.

Ours is more historical. Was mainly geared towards Lehigh fans. Every bout wrestled since 1910 (28998). The EIWA and NCAA have all brackets. EIWA 1926-2023 and NCAA 1928-2023.

JDA and I maintain parts of it. (JDA does the real work) The Lehigh portion is up-to-date. We also maintain the pdf brackets from the EIWA and NCAA.

Gray Simons won 7- 4 NAIA 3 NCAA. Officially it was the NCAA realizing no other sport gave 2 bites at the apple. But I wouldn't be surprised Haselrig prompted the thought process.

The coaches’ rankings are determined by a vote of 14 coaches in each weight class with two head coaches from each of the seven conferences. For ranking purposes, coaches may only consider a wrestler that has been designated as a starter at a respective weight class. Wrestlers must have eight Division I matches in the weight class to be considered with at least one within the last 30 days.

Back then, they had 2.5 hours to weighin and you could get on the scale as much as you wanted within the timeline. Bobby was very close with Coach Leeman (the two would talk through practice it seemed). One year going to Navy, he got on the scale and was a little over. He ran out to Leeman with a big smile- "Coach! I'm a quarter over!". It was the first time.

Stanich has one more date to give before the decision needs to be made. So, assuming he wrestles one of the two this weekend we won't know anything else (barring a public announcement) for at least two weeks as we're off next weekend.