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There's no UTB in College.

Are we using HS rules in this?

Yes to Hamlin. I tried to get McGonagle called the New Hampster- but that didn't go over too well. Kilrain was from Braintree, Mass- Braintree Catholic before prepping a year at Blair.

They have houses in both Maine and NH. They call NH home and went to school in NH and his club is in NH. Doesn't really change your main (Maine) point but figured I'd clarify.

I haven't seen a ton of matches yet but how many 3 pt nearfalls have we seen?

Not sure but the rule was instituted because OSU was getting most of ALL tds. So since they were doing that before it stands to reason they were getting most of the first tds earlier and this would have cut into the leads they were getting.

Similar to the mid-60s anti-OSU rule of 2 for the first td and 1 for the rest. Didn't last long.

Look him up on YouTube! He was the best drunk out there. Did a lot of Dean Martin Roasts in the 70s.

Waxing nostalgic, are we?

I'm talking about the rulebook. Not the brackets as currently printed. I quoted the rulebook.

I've lost my thesaurus. I can't find the words to describe how upset I am!

It was there as late as 1954. Not in 1955.

So is he-

The reason they did it was because many of the kids weren't even trying for back points. I remember Wisconsin having 50-25 type scores and they kept going for snag singles.

I found that almost every NCAA rulebook since 1928 can be found on the NWHOF site. I wanted to look up something about the history of minimum and/or mandated mat sizes. But I found something about the actual meaning of pin fall! We, today, think of pin and fall as being equivalent terms. That's not how they thought about them years ago. A fall was when the shoulders touched the mat. For it to be a termination of the match, it had to be pinned down. In other words, in a controlled fashion and for a specified length of time (2 seconds early on). From the 1950 book as an example- RULE 15-FALLS AND NEAR FALLS 1. Pin Falls. Pin falls only shall count. (Flying or rolling falls shall not be considered.) Any part of both shoulders held in contact wIth the mat for an appreciable length of time constitutes a fall. (By an "appreciable length of time" is meant the Referee's sIlent count of two seconds. The two-second count shall start only after the Referee is in such position that he knows positively that both of the defensive contestant's shoulders are in contact wIth the mat, after which shoulders must be held in continuous contact wIth the mat for two seconds before a fall shall be awarded.)

I didn't know Jack!

An Iranian 285 as I recall.

And the guy that beat him became a ref

HS- last criteria is flip a disc College- Section 21. Breaking Ties in Dual Meets and Team-Advancement Tournaments When two teams finish in a tie in a dual meet or a team-advancement tournament, the following criteria shall be applied to determine a winner: a. Greater number of victories. Note: Forfeits, defaults and disqualifications count toward total number of victories. b. Combined total number of falls, forfeits, defaults and disqualifications. c. Total match points scored only from decisions, major decisions and technical falls. d. Total near fall points scored only from decisions, major decisions and technical falls. (Example: N-2 + N-3 + N-4 = Total of 9 near fall points scored for one team.) e. Total number of takedowns scored only from decisions, major decisions and technical falls. (Example: T-3 + T-3 + T-3 = Total of 3 takedowns scored for one team.) f. Least number of unsportsmanlike conduct calls. g. First takedown scored in the dual meet. One team point shall be awarded to the team winning by criteria. The method of recording the score in breaking team ties shall be the score followed by the criterion number that broke the tie (for example, Team A 17, Team B 16, criterion 3.21.a.).

Apparently they called potentially dangerous and Latona didn't ask for time. The transcript on Arena (go to the "bracket" for 133 and click on the bout number) does show an injury timeout. They wouldn't have started the clock without medical personnel showing up. McGonagle did look confused. PERIOD 1 1:30 Takedown 3 1 Escape 0:58 Bottom PERIOD 2 2:00 Caution Warning 1 Escape 1:36 Bottom PERIOD 3 2:00 Escape 1 3 Takedown 1:02 0:52 Escape 1 PERIOD 4 Injury Time 0:24 Bottom PERIOD 5 Stall Warning 0:12 Reversal 2 Neutral PERIOD 6 0:12 Stall Warning Caution Warning

But that is what I was responding to in your post. That wasn't a suggestion.

Years ago as I was using my older software to run tournaments (1981-2004 even before EscapeSports) I had a factor that gave an indication of how strong the event was. Technically, it was fining the total length of bouts as actually wrestled divided by the theoretical limits (6 in HS 7 in college- forget what I did with ots). Before seeing the results, I along with most thought it would be more of a factor of the better wrestlers and how often they pinned. What we realized was that it was more the factor of the lesser wrestlers and how often they got pinned. And if both wrestlers weren't very good, one of them would find a way to get pinned. JV tournaments had lower values than varsity events. And there was parity in the JV events. So it wasn't entirely that.

I believe they were calling that Manning was asking even though it was clearly Bryan in the shot.

Rest is irrespective of match type- other than if a match was won by forfeit/med ff.