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He's expected back next week.. but has missed some time. Not sure why Ferrari didn't wrestle.

When he ends up at Penn State this is going to feel a lot like Lebron taking his talents to South Beach.

Fall in the first minute for Wyatt. Final score: 36-3 OKST

Surber with dominating tech

This was his final event. Hawks was still out and I'm guessing Sinclair really wanted to go here and test himself at 184.

18-7 win for Plott. Sinclair managed to win a scramble and secure a TD when Plott was going for the tech.

7-1 for Plott after the first, racked up significant riding time as well.

Sinclair vs Plott!

@MizzouFan01 I got you. 174: Hamiti techs Mylin 20-4 with 43 seconds left in the second. Mylin was helpless on his feet, but bumped up and took the match. It hasn't been declared if Sinclair will be wrestling yet, but he did weigh-in. Smith said he wasn't sure if he was going to save his final event for a home dual..

125: All Spratley for a major over Walker 133: Witcraft with a comfortable win over Moore (2 TDs to 0) 141: Edmond over Burton (8-4) 149: Young majors Gioffre (11-3) 157: Fish over Conway (5-1) 165: Amine wins 2-1 over Steed.. questionable stall warning in the first where Amine had an underhook and looked to push Steed OB, Steed tried to circle in but Amine was able to prevent him from getting back inside the circle. Steed got warned a second time while he was riding in the second and that point was the difference. Amine wrestled the most Amine match of the year.

You do realize that he doesn't pick who wrestlers for him? It's actually the opposite.. Before Goodale arrived, they had a total of 6 one time All-Americans and 1 two-time AA in a span of over 50 years. During the Goodale they have had: 4x AA and National Champion Anthony Ashnault 2x AA Anthony Perrotti 2x AA and National Champion Nick Suriano *while at Rutgers* 2x AA Sebastian Rivera *while at Rutgers* 1x AA Greg Bulsak 1x AA Ben Liss 1x AA Yaraslau Slovikouski 1x AA Dylan Shawver 1x AA Jon Poznanski 1x AA Jackson Turley

that would be awesome.

Huh?

Do you actually put stock into wrestlestat predictions?

I meant current or future NCAA champs. 1. I don't know about Pat Smith's wins. 2. Cael didn't beat anyone who went on to win a National title? 3. Dake beat Molinaro, St. John, and DT 4. Stieber beat J.O. and Ramos 5. Yanni beat Dean Heil 6. Aaron Brooks beat Keckeisen 7. Starocci beat Griffith, and Lewis So of 7 four-time champs, 5 beat either former or eventual national champions (maybe 6 if Smith did as well). So typically, 4x champs do beat NCAA champions. I'm surprised that you of all people wouldn't agree that the years of eligibility and the field you compete against are a major factor in how many titles an individual wins. Winning 4 titles doesn't necessarily mean you were better than someone who won two but ran into a buzz saw and didn't win 4.

I was simply stating that being a 4x champ has factors outside of how good a college wrestler is. The field you compete against is as big of a factor as any. How many NCAA champions did Cael beat in his career? I'm not removing Cael from being crowned the greatest, but he arguably dominated the weakest field of any of the four timers. Other than the GOAT himself, which four timer boasts these statistics? "Taylor graduated with 134 wins and three losses, 50 pins, 42 technical falls, and 29 major decisions."

I completely agree. I would probably put David Taylor and Ben Askren (I used them because they were both only two time champs) above some 4xers. Askren could have been a 4x champion if Pendleton were a couple years older, and Taylor could have as well if not for a cradle and Kyle Dake. But regardless, the fact that each of them lost twice in the finals hurt their legacy.

Take Carter out of the conversation as I want to remove as much bias as possible from this conversation. But how does failing to capture a national title in your final year effect your legacy? Dan Gable lost to Owings after starting his career 117-0 and that largely removed him from the greatest college wrestler conversation. Spencer Lee lost to Ramos and because he is not a 4xer he similarly is removed from the conversation. If a 4x champ loses in an unprecedented 5th year of post-season eligibility, does that essentially cancel out being a 4x champ since you ended up losing in your 5th attempt? Or does it go to chalk because we don't know if any of the previous 4x champs would have also lost in their 5th year?

PSUs bonus numbers are inflated by the majority of their team wrestling virtually no ranked wrestlers prior to the big ten dual schedule. Let's check back at the end of the year. He hasn't wrestled a single AA so far this season.

Here's to Keckeisen beating him in the NCAA finals and he can go down as the least impressive 4xer that lost his final collegiate match.

I just can't imagine having his talent and being content to scrape out a win. Wouldn't you want to go out there and show Ferrari that he has no business being on the mat with you because you are so far above him? This, if anything, did the opposite. No one here is arguing that he should have lost. It's that a guy in his 6th year with 4 titles to his name couldn't even be bothered to score a takedown in the match, and took 1 offensive shot.

They used to field tougher teams than they have in recent years. They may not have had a high volume of AAs but they had consistent respectable lineups. With Volk out, I couldn't name a wrestler in their lineup.

We don't want a push out rule, but we award pushing without actual attempts to score. Additionally, we don't want to reward pushouts, but if you can get OB while someone is in on your leg you get a free restart. Makes perfect sense.

Let the completely subjective arguments commence. Where would you rank the 4xers? I am excluding Pat Smith due to the fact that we don't have bonus stats/enough video to provide evidence to really show his greatness. Mine would be.. 1. Cael - undefeated and absurd dominance 2. Dake - No redshirts, plus Molinaro, St. John, 2x Hodge winner David Taylor all won NCAAs after Dake moved from their weight/graduated. 3. Stieber - Dominance increased year over year sans a "flu loss" to Retherford. Ramos won a title after he moved up, and went on to win a world silver. 4. Yanni D - Only one on the list to win a world medal while still having college eligibility, plus won as a true freshman when he had a 2x champ and returning finalist in his weight. 5. Starocci - Beat NCAA champs Griffith and Lewis multiple times (including on a bum wheel). Should have had a dominant bonus record last year if not for the injury, and has a win over Keckeisen in the All-Star Classic (who has dominated 184). 6. Aaron Brooks - first NCAA appearance followed spending his senior year, and freshman year (he was ranked #6 going into nationals, may have won, but who knows), in the PSU room before ever wrestling at NCAAs. Also only has 1 year where he had a bonus percentage over 70% (when points were boosted unlike for any other 4xers other than last year for Starocci).