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I think it makes sense that he either redshirts this year or next for the sake of the line-up. Mesenbrink and SVN have two more years, and either Duke or Kasak are going to be without a spot, so it would make sense for each of them to take a RS in the next two years if they are both willing. If Duke is the better guy, he could just take the spot and Kasak could be forced to transfer if he wants to compete his senior year.

I thought we could all use a break from arguing about morality, religion, and all of the other side arguments we've been engaging in over the past few days and get back to the real reason we are all here. To talk about some wrastlin'. With the rumors of the Raney's heading to OKST, and the discussion about the logjam that is going to exist between 125-149 for the Pokes, I thought I would do a little dive into what their roster could look like once the outstanding 2026 recruiting class has had a chance to redshirt their true freshman year. Then I did the same with Penn State to compare their rosters. Oklahoma State's roster will potentially include (assuming the Raney brothers rumor is true): 125/133: RSJR Sakamoto, RSSO Ramirez, RSJR McComas, RSFR Raney 141/149: RSSR Hughes, SO Jax Forrest, RSSO Vega, RSFR Wolbert, RSFR Raney 157/165: RSSO Routledge, RSSO Robideau, 174: JR Lockett 184: RSJR Ryder, RSSR Thompson 197: RSJR Merrill 285: RSFR Ross Penn State's roster will potentially include: 125/133: SR Lilledahl, RSSO Desmond, RSSR Davis 141/149: JR Blaze, RSFR Herring, RSSO Perry 157/165: JR Duke, RSSR Kasak, RSJR Sealey, RSFR Jayden James 174/184: SR Welsh, RSSO Henckel, RSSO Cunningham, 197: SR Barr, RSJR Mirasola 285: RSJR Mirasola I think ideally (all prospects live up to their hype) for both teams a dual would look like this. Oklahoma State Penn State 125 Raney Lilledahl 133 Raney Desmond 141 Jax Blaze 149 Vega Herring 157 Robideau Kasak 165 Routledge Duke 174 Lockett Henckel 184 Ryder Welsh 197 Merrill Barr 285 Ross Mirasola Feel free to use the pools of wrestlers above to make your own rosters, tell me where I made a mistake, or you disagree. Could Oklahoma State beat Penn State for the title in 2028? Is it a close race? Are any other teams going to be in the conversation? Let's hear it.

For people questioning line-up fit, the answer seems pretty simple. Not all of these stud recruits are going to be starters. Do you think PSU was wondering how to get Facundo and Nagao into the line-up this year? No, Facundo and Nagao were trying to figure out how to get themselves in the line-up. When you have 2 or 3 very good wrestlers at a weight, it's a good thing for your team. Who cares if it's Villasenor, Ramirez, or Raney at 125 in two years? You know whoever is your starter is going to be an absolute hammer.

Our empathy? I think this verse sums up the events perfectly. Galatians 6:7-9 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

I took it back, but it was a very "slippery slope" statement. I think this whole thread has largely gotten off track by debating if it's morally acceptable to solicit an illegal prostitute based on the chances that the prostitute was being trafficked. Personally, legal or not, if someone told me one of their regular activities was to pay strangers to come satisfy them, I would think they were a scumbag. If they did this while they were married with kids, I would think of them as a terrible person, and an even bigger scumbag. If legal, I'll respect your right to do it, but just because something legal doesn't mean it's reputable behavior.

If you're single..

The event happened in Ohio so much of the coverage has been from local media outlets where his tie to tOSU is more relevant.

Who gets a hall pass from the NBA or NFL? There are plenty of scumbags in other sports, you just accept a talented scumbag because they help your team, while simultaneously realizing that they are, indeed, a scumbag.

He may be a comeback story, but he'll still always be the scumbag that ordered a prostitute online and crushed his family.

You're an a-hole for convincing me to watch this match. It was everything that is wrong with grounding and maybe one of the worst freestyle matches I have ever watched. The 4:24 sequence you mentioned only got him a step-out where he wasn't even close to actually scoring a takedown. How you linked this match as worth watching is beyond me.

Please, Illinois.

I will absolutely look into them when I have some time, and I guarantee that I will come back and admit I was wrong if they change my thoughts. I appreciate you linking them. I'm always open to change my view given new information.

How was it entrapment? How did the police make him solicit a prostitute?

If you aren't trolling, that is more concerning. I missed all your points, as did seemingly everyone else since you've been arguing from a one man island.

Who's the troll?

I'll give you that it should be in international, but it is very much a wrestling topic.

We can agree to disagree. I have a darker view of how many women end up in this industry in the first place. And that is the root of our disagreement.

I don't think anyone in their late 20s just gets a wild hair one day and decides to order a hooker. There is likely a lot of things that led to this, and I don't think those are going to make this news any more palatable. Typically when someone gets caught in a situation like this, there is a lot more that comes out after the initial discovery.

Because it is illegal and there is absolutely a chance that if this wasn't a sting, that Kyle Snyder would have been soliciting prostitution from someone that was trafficked into the industry. He is participating in what is currently a very toxic exchange that often involves a party that is only "willing" due to fear of the repercussions if they don't. I get what you're saying. If two consenting adults want to have sex with a monetary exchange, that should be legal. However, soliciting a black market service that relies heavily on human trafficking to provide sex workers? Yes, I absolutely have a problem with that. He shouldn't be excused because there should be a better system in place. He participated in what is currently a very dark and sad industry. And that's only what I think of him and the crime.. the fact that he would do this while having a wife and two kids at home is where it becomes a real scumbag act.

You're creating a straw man. No one said that prostitution should be illegal. They said that it currently is heavily connected to human trafficking. You can't excuse Kyle Snyder's solicitation of a prostitute because you believe it should be a regulated industry.

Yeah, try that argument with his wife.

It's a troll job.

Career and reputation are two very different things. Yes, he can continue to wrestle and many will root for him, but he will never be the role model that he was before this news came out.

I don't know if you saw my comment, it was the last one on the other page. I said the same thing. alliseeisgold has to be a jimmy burner. I will admit, he got me. It was a pretty funny troll. 10/10 work there.

Wtf are you talking about? He becomes more relatable because he's hiring a hooker to disrespect his wife and kids? Is this Kyle Snyder posting?