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The list of 2x champs is so long that it's almost impossible to narrow it down to even a reasonable top 10. That being said, David Taylor and Ben Askren are 2x champions and 2x hodge winners. How many wrestlers have two hodges?

2/10 troll. I would have given more points if you suggested he threw that match to show the WWE that he wasn't afraid to take a dive. Doing something for the sport the he abandoned for two years doesn't exactly line-up with his priorities.

If I'm understanding you correctly.. If Coleman Scott took over for John Smith, OKST wouldn't have likely been anything other than the same OKST, just with a new name at Head Coach. Likewise, if Tom Ryan retired and Jaggers, Stieber, or anyone else took the helm, it's unlikely that there would be a notable improvement. I think it's fair to put both Iowa and Ohio State in the same category (and Oklahoma State before the big change). It's easy to say "replace the head coach" but the real problem is there aren't many guys that you would expect to have any more success if given the keys to the program. I think if Ryan is considering taking a step back anytime soon, Schwab is a very legitimate candidate. I'd be curious what he could do with at a bigger program with higher-end recruits. He seems to be of a similar "family first" kind of team mindset.

There is no doubt about that.

Wow. I was completely unaware of this. Absurd.

I would argue that he was taken down by Frost in the bloodround and shouldn't have even placed this year. I don't think it's a given that he repeats this years tournament. But more importantly, I think when you are trying to establish a new culture as a second year head coach, bringing an outsider in over 2 highly talented guys coming out of redshirt could be a risk. That being said, the OKST coaching staff knows what they have better than I do, and if they don't see the potential in those two guys to make an impact this year, then you're right. It would be a no brainer.

Does OSU need a 133? They have McComas and Sakamoto coming out of redshirt. It's possible, but it doesn't seem like the best landing spot necessarily.

Michigan/Minnesota would make more sense.

Koy Hopke at Minnesota will be an interesting one with the cleared out field.

Oh, I 100% saw it live. A little shot to the ribs isn't a big deal.. it was the finals and Mitch was probably telling him "thanks for the good match" right in his ear right after he secured the clinching takedown.

Most people here seem to be equating his athleticism to being able to quickly pick up the skills to wrestle on bottom, and learn to how win in scrambles that he's never experienced before. I've said it before, freestyle is a much simpler style to learn because there are far less positions and techniques that you'll encounter. He's going to have to learn how to defend a leg coming in, a crab ride, not giving up a wrist on bottom while trying to improve.. these are things that can be a struggle for our best high school wrestlers when they are coming into college after wrestling folk their entire lives. It will be interesting to see. I'm definitely not saying that he can't do it, but it will be a lot to learn. I'm more curious about why a 21 year old that is a World Champion would want to use these years learning a completely different style? I wonder if he is kind of bored of just training the same things every day for freestyle and wants to develop by learning a new style while wrestling in America. I've wondered what guys like Burroughs, Dake, and Taylor would do in practice after spending 10+ years training specifically in freestyle. Training gut/gut defense and leg lace defense has to get out pretty quickly you'd think.

It was pretty egregious. You see the pushing the head down after this whistle pretty often, he tried to dribble that thing like a basketball.

Friday night I mistakenly used PSU's wrestling to seed statistic when I should have just used their semi-final winning percentage. IIRC your stats had them 52-10 in the semis during the Cael era?

Exactly. I'm not even trying to make excuses for Shapiro, I'm just saying that nothing that happened this weekend makes me think he's a "douchebag" or bad kid. I wouldn't have said anything at all if wrestle87 simply said he wasn't a fan. There is a huge area between being a fan and making personal attacks about the kids integrity and character when you've never even met him.

I think the steroids comment was completely unnecessary and feel that a speculative claim was a bad look on him. But based on the immediate hawkeye reaction it sounds like he foolishly said something that is probably (fair or not) rumored around the D1 landscape. It's not a good look, but I'm not going to call him a douchebag and other things that @wrestle87 had to say about him.

THAT is what you're talking about as being unacceptable? I would hate to know what you think about Desanto's tactics and Thomas Gilman's backwards slam and extra curriculars with Alan Waters. I don't know a ton about Shapiro, but if that's the worst he's done, that's distasteful at worst. He pulled the arm back like a jerk, but didn't do anything against a joint to injure him. That video did literally nothing to change my current neutral view of him. I'm just not a huge proponent of attacking the character of kids that I've never met.

"The Newton Bomber" is a pretty badass wrestling nickname.

I would say he's at minimum a Good Coraller.

15:40 is where the comment is made for those asking where it was said.

This is one of the most absurd posts I've read on this board. What has Meyer done to make you take these kinds of digs at a 20 year old kid? I don't know what he did at the end of the match in question, but wow this is distasteful. Listen to his interview and listen to what the kids been through the last month.

The Jumbo Jet

It goes both ways. If we allow a simple defensive technique like clinging to an ankle to be acceptable, why is the defense going to learn how to actually improve their position from there? Much like the neutral danger was established because hanging out on your back while not giving up points didn't make sense, rewarding someone for hanging onto an ankle is nearly the same thing.

I don't know if it's always been like this and I never noticed, or if it's a newer thing to break the action when a stall case is made and do a reset? The inconsistency stalling and when there is a reset is what bothers me most. Here are some examples of the inconsistencies: 1. Red has double boots in, referee calls the bottom wrestler for stalling.. no reset given to benefit the stalling wrestler 2. Red is on top and is about to be reversed, out of desperation, he grabs onto Greens's leg and the referee begins to count.. stall warning given, and a reset is given to benefit the stalling wrestler. Wrestler A gets to start back on top despite nearly being reversed. 3. It's the end of the match, Red is leading 4-2. There is a restart. Red immediately floats backwards to the edge, referee hits red for stalling. There is no reset is given to hurt the stalling wrestler. Red is allowed to continue wrestling from the edge even though he stalled to get there. So in just these 3 examples we see in the circumstances: 1. Wrestler called for stalling gains no advantage due to no reset. 2. Wrestler called for stalling gains an advantage due to reset (better to give up a stall than a reversal). 3. Wrestler called for stalling gains an advantage due to no reset (they can stall to get to the edge, but are allowed to wrestle from there). Am I crazy to think that these resets/non-resets are backwards?

Should there be some kind of rule in place to reduce the ease of gaining a stalemate by desperately holding on to an ankle when you have no way to improve your position? I'm not talking about ankle scrambles where there is action, but more precisely about the position (I hope you all can picture it) where Wrestler A. has sat the corner, scoops the leg with his own, and is pressuring forward to try to get his ankle that is trapped (clung to by Wrestler B.) underneath. Wrestler be has nothing to do in the position but hold on for dear life and hope that Wrestler A. doesn't get his ankle free. I would say that Wrestler A. has 95% control in this position, but because Wrestler B. hasn't given up 100%, Wrestler A. gets nothing out of the scenario, regardless if this happens 10 times in a the course of a match. For anyone who watched the match, this is basically the story of Bouzakis vs Knox in the R12. Bouzakis spent the majority of the match in a better position than Knox, but because Knox was able to hang onto an ankle, the position would eventually get stalemated and Bouzakis would have nothing to show for it. It's not uncommon that in a match you see one wrestler doing the majority of the work in attempts to score only to be narrowly stopped by a desperate clinging to an ankle while a wrestler hopes to be saved by a stalemate. I'm curious how the rest of you feel about this situation? I have an idea of how I would change things, but I don't know if I'm in the minority that feels like a change is warranted.

It's a series of events, but if tOSU doesn't throw that brick looking for extra nearfall in the Cannon vs Fish match, who knows what we're looking at now. Cannon was a B10 finalist and and won decisively over Saldate, Miller, and Askey. If he wins that match with Fish, he could have very well beaten Chumbley and Blaze and been in the finals. That's not how it worked out, and here we are. Tervel does seem like a major loss, especially seeing the lack of development in their upper weights over the last handful of years. I definitely thought we'd see Feldman step into his own this year, but that was definitely not the case.