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Call someone for stalling. They're just staring at each other.

Lol wtf is this?

Great wrestling. Both guys genuinely tried to attack. I figured Keck was going to that post over and over to try for the misdirect later in the match.. he tried and got reattacked.

I just started a fresh thread for the finals.

Let's go Keck. Do the damn thing!

I think ASU is literally the last school he should go to. Talk about temptations of the flesh..

Glad it didn't takeaway @CHROMEBIRD's moment of glory.

I'd imagine if Wisconsin offered him enough to make it worth his while, he would genuinely consider taking the job, but I think he's unlikely to take on the administrative tasks, recruiting demands, media obligations etc. unless he was going to be making a significant amount more than he currently does with AWA. I do think the competitor in him wants to compete against Cael on the college landscape from a coaching perspective. I will say this here and now. I am officially a Badger if Askren ever takes the job.

Two things can be true at the same time. Scoring bonus, and have a complete roster of 10 hammers has never been easier than it is now through the portal and NIL, but to do what Penn State did is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon. To not only have the horses, but to also perform as well as they did is pretty remarkable.

I was trying to find the Miss Universe or whatever pageant where they crowned the wrong winner for you, just in case.

McDanel scored 6 points. Van Dee scored 8 points. Donnell Washington scored 7.5. Are we missing placement points?

Jacob Van Dee (Nebraska) 19-11, . over Tyler Knox (Stanford) 28-9, . (Dec 7-2)

Okay, 8 top 3 finishers and 5th, and a semi-finalist that MFF out.. Damn. That is a hell of a performance and bounce back from the four guys that lost last night. I thought we might see some sad boy hour losses on the backside, but we did not. Nothing but credit to be given there.

Hardy went on a two year church mission, then had a free year in 2021, and redshirted in 2022.. He graduated in 2018 and his RSFR year was 2022-2023..

I'd never heard of him.

Why wouldn't their average finish be the highest it's ever been? This is the highest seeded team of all-time. I don't understand why we're even having a conversation about this being an underperformance. When was the last time that PSU lost 5 matches on the front-side where they were favored in a single tournament? When was the last time they lost 4 out of 7 semi-finals matches? PSU has received the "PSU bump" during the NCAA tournament for a reason. This year, the bump hasn't been their. As I stated above, 5 wrestlers will perform below seed, 3 have a chance to match their seed, and 2 have overachieved. Has PSU ever had 5 wrestlers wrestle below seed under Cael?

I agree. The underperformance is only relative to the absurd standard that they themselves have created. It's an underperformance by their standards, not normal standards.

It's performance relative to seed. As @Wrestleknownothing has pointed out many times, PSU has the best performance of any NCAA program relative to their seeds during Cael's tenure. This year, that is not the case. 125, 141, 157, 174, and 285 will place lower than they were seeded, 149, 165, and 184 can still perform to seed, only 133 and 197 have performed above their seed. This was a pretty large underperformance by Penn State using their own performance standards. However, when 9 of your 10 wrestlers are top 4 seeds, and the other is still an 8 seed, you can obviously underperform and still win a national title.

FTFY.

74, 97, and 285 could actually matter.. no one saw this coming..

Mendez is 100% dawg.

I do NOT want to see this decided by rideouts..

Can we get a warning on Bartlett?

That's a brutal call for Frost..