BruceyB

Who has lost at conferences that you would have seeded #1 at NCAAs? Are you just arguing about a fictitious scenario that may occur one day, or.. what are we doing here?

We're really talking about results from the first week of December as a reason to ignore what happened this weekend? Alirez should get hammered in the seeds. His best win of the year is Jacob Frost, and he just lost to Tagen Jamison. Jamison should 100% be seeded higher than Alirez when you compare their seasons. Likewise, why should Bartlett be a top two seed at this weight? He is 2-0 over Mendez, 1-0 against Hardy, and 0-1 against Vombaur. Before this tournament he had only wrestled two matches against top 10 opponents all season. Hardy gets punished because he went to CKLV while PSU sat at home? Hardy should absolutely be seeded higher than Bartlett after this weekend. We need to stop punishing guys for wrestling difficult schedules and rewarding wrestlers and teams that avoid competition.

I'm only talking about securing the #1 seed. Get rid of the qualification tournaments and just send the top 33 ranked wrestlers during the regular season to Nationals if we're going to start selectively ignoring conference results.

If wikipedia is to be trusted.. Starocci is 5'11". I was able to find the interview with Gable quicker than Starocci so see below. The interviewer has to be at least 6'7". Gable claims 6'1"

When a loss happens is relevant. But to answer your question, I do think that someone who won their conference tournament should get the #1 seed.. every. single. time. Seeds are not rankings or predictions.

I don't think someone should be able to be the #1 seed if they didn't win their qualifying event. I could be wrong, but off the top of my head I can't recall a 1 seed that lost at conferences.

Just noting that it wasn't like the interviewer looked tall next to a 125 pounder, he comically towered over everyone.

I was joking with my wife about this. He was bending over to talk to Starocci even.

I've said this before regarding NCAA finals. 10 matches in a 3 1/2 to 4 hour broadcast is rough.

Is there anything less satisfying than a match being decided by 6 seconds of RT in rideouts?

He's the #1 Jim.

Lilledahl won the only time they've wrestled. And I didn't say your predictions were wrong.. Edit: @MPhillips's TM'd

Picking the favorite in every match.

eh.. that was primarily the covid year where a wrestler needed a minimum match count to be eligible for the post-season, but sure.

I get the rules, but even going to an extreme where someone makes weight after weigh-ins.. it's the furthest thing from an advantage (not the case here). Having less time to recover, having more recently been cutting weight, etc. Isn't helpful. I'll die on the hill that Jamison being able to wrestle (which resulted in an incredible upset) is far more valuable than DQ'ing a competitor that missed skin checks but still weighed in on time.

That's pretty bold..

As mentioned, Bastida, Feldman, Trumble, Hopke, Attao, Mullens.. Not sure why Kueter would be a favorite outside of corn-colored glasses.

I agree, but I also can't remember the last time that PSU lost three matches where they were favored in a single round of a tournament. Bartlett doesn't get upset, SVN was a massive favorite, and Barr's crazy upward trajectory had me thinking he would improve on his past performance against Cardenas. That being said, this just puts PSU closer to mortal status than they have been over a number of years where it seemed like they were essentially upset proof. These losses just shake up NCAA seeds and should create an even more exciting tournament in two weeks.

Remember when you predicted him to AA?

Stop with this. It's not the end of the world to have a 1 or 2 year rebuild. Mizz has great recruits coming in and will be just fine. Two years from now they'll have a great line-up and could be back to a trophy contending team.

Before the finals.. might I add.

I haven't been following college wrestling as long as many of you here, but this is by far the craziest conference weekend I can recall in the last 15 years. As I mentioned in the main B1G thread, @Wrestleknownothing will undoubtedly have some great data in the upcoming week on this topic. I was telling my wife during B12s how crazy the results have been, and that was before any of the B1G results which might be even more shocking. Even Sparks and Gibbons seem to be flabbergasted by what has taken place.

I vote McMax?

The hot takes keep on coming.

I was just joking. There are just too many OSU's.