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As an athlete, of course freestyle is a lot more fun than folkstyle.. it's a lot easier physically. But as a spectator, I appreciate the grind, conditioning, toughness and various techniques required to succeed in folkstyle (getting out from bottom, tough rides on top, finishing cleanly, etc.) Folkstyle is just a much more complex version of wrestling than freestyle, and for that reason, it is my preferred style to watch.

Same concept, 133 edition. Podiums listed below. 2010 2017 2019 2023 1st Jayson Ness Cory Clark Nick Suriano Vito Arujau 2nd Daniel Dennis Seth Gross Daton Fix Roman Bravo-Young 3rd Frank Gomez Nathan Tomasello Stevan Micic Michael McGee 4th Jordan Oliver Stevan Micic Luke Pletcher Daton Fix 5th Tyler Graff Kaid Brock Austin DeSanto Aaron Nagao 6th Dan Mitcheff Eric Montoya John Erneste Jesse Mendez 7th Boris Novachkov Zane Richards Ethan Lizak Sam Latona 8th Steve Bell Scotty Parker Roman Bravo-Young Kai Orine

Since the turn of the century, what was the most talented bracket at 125 pounds? I included the four years that I thought were the deepest in the poll, and the podium finishes for those years are shown below. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong and any brackets that should be considered tougher than my four nominees. Let the reminiscing commence. 2006 2007 2009 2014

Funny thing about that.. he qualified for NCAAs both years he was in the line-up.

With that huge gift they received recently, it'd be interesting if they decided to invest in a strong RTC and offer Burroughs a hefty sum to run it. A move like that could potentially make them the top landing spot for Ivy athletes moving forward.

coaching staff.

My first thought, exactly.

I don't think guys leaving will ultimately effect OSU much. They will each likely give it 2 or 3 years of attempting to make the starting line-up and transfer for their last year or two of eligibility if that's what they want to do. The guys on the roster will still have plenty of training partners on the college roster and with the cowboy RTC to where training shouldn't take a hit. OKST will massively benefit from all of these guys knowing that their spot isn't guaranteed and knowing they can't take a day, or a match off.

That's quite the reach. You're predicting the #1 seed true freshman, 3rd place finisher, and Final X wrestler to win? The thread title is 125 dark horse. Who is your prediction at 165?

To what..?

I think it's fair to fixate on Lockett's match. He's so damn tough that to see a score like that is notable. That being said, I'm not questioning the talent. One or two mistakes in freestyle can end up in a tech pretty easily. It's hard to have too much to say without seeing the entire match. But I've been riding on the Doucet train since all of the talk started after the season about OKST needing a transfer. He was solid, but obviously not great, his first two years in the line-up. I thought a year of training, the new staff, and the clearing out of so many seniors at heavyweight makes him a top 5 threat this year at NCAAs. This match only furthered that thought.

where did you find results?

I was just going to say the same thing. Although if he is just wrestling at his walk around summer weight, being ~15 pounds over 149 in late July seems pretty reasonable. Not to mention, there isn't a bout at 70kg. Similar to Facundo wrestling at 86kg who definitely won't be going 184. For the Pokes line-up, however, Swiderksi and Teague battling for the spot at 157 is probably best case scenario. 125: Spratley 133: Figs 141: Hughes/Vega 149: Jamison 157: Swiderski/Teague 165: Lockett 174: Facundo 184: Ryder 197: Merrill 285: Doucet That line-up is salty. It's crazy to think this is only the beginning for OKST's revival. They are going to be absolutely ridiculous come 2027-2028.

@Truzzcat @flyingcement any links to match-ups for the dual? It's kind of amazing how there was no noise about this (that I heard at least).

If Vegas had a betting line for Suriano to even show up to trials in 2028 it would have to open at plus money. Predicting where Suriano will be, or what he will be doing in 3 years time seems like a fools errand.

I'm assuming I misunderstood that. When he said between 50 and 55 I thought he was referring to KG. But given that Seabass said they could have real goes, it makes more sense if he was talking 150-155 pounds. He definitely doesn't seem like a full 150 pounds.

I am admittedly someone that was in full support of the three point takedown when it was announced. That being said, I never once heard anyone argue that the extra point for a takedown was going to result in an excess of third period stalling. The argument that almost everyone made was that it took away from mat wrestling. You no longer "had" to take bottom, and a riding point didn't cancel out a first period takedown like in the past. Maybe you were ahead of the curve, but I didn't hear any push back about how much extra stalling a wrestler could do in the third prior to the 3pt takedowns implementation. But that has been probably the most notable result.

Let me get a decade window.

Who ran from Carr and Mesenbrink? I agree the big dogs all exited the weight, but I'm not sure who is running?

I'll owe you one if I'm wrong, but Caliendo is never going to beat Mesenbrink. Also, @ionel are you familiar with Messinbrink? Also, David Carr could easily have been a 4x champion. He was a #1 seed that suffered a massive upset in the R16, and he lost in the finals to KOT after he had beat him twice that season. David Carr and Mikey Caliendo is a ridiculous comparison. Caliendo is an absolute stud, but comparing him to Carr isn't fair.

I mean he lost to #24, #13, and #19 during the season. He was a #12 seed at NCAAs that finished 4th. It was a great year for a freshman that no one had on their radar. I'm really curious to see how he progresses moving forward.

There is no doubt that Mesenbrink is an outstanding wrestler, but I do think people underestimate how incredibly weak 165 was last year. The only truly consistent guys were Mesenbrink, Caliendo, and Hall. Just compare last years NCAAs versus the two years prior.. Seed 2023 2024 2025 1 Carr O'Toole Mesenbrink 2 O'Toole Mesenbrink Hall 3 Hamiti Ramirez Caliendo 4 Ramirez Carr Barraclough 5 Q. Monday Hamiti Ramirez 6 Kennedy Caliendo Mantanona 7 Caliendo Olejnik Garvin 8 Olguin A. Taylor Amine 9 Griffith Hall Steed 10 Kharchla Amine Sparks 11 Amine Cerniglia Scoles 12 Olejnik Thompson Minto Edit: Forgot to say that I am excited to potentially see Joey Blaze and Lockett at 165 if they both go this season.

I know that you're a newer poster, so just an easy tip, if you type @ and then the users name you're responding to, or simply quote them with the "quote" button under their post, it tags them in your response and they get notified. Welcome to the board though! And I won't bother with the scenario of 30 seconds with no stall warning, because you can basically do whatever you want in the amount of time and even with how I would like a match to be officiated, there is nearly anyway to justify hitting a guy twice with 30 seconds left. But with 1:00 left, I would tell my athlete not to stop wrestling. Be conservative and don't take any unnecessary risks, but a minute is too long to avoid wrestling. But be defensive in the ties to slow your opponent down and make it difficult for your opponent get find an opening, if he takes a bad shot and you can reattack for find a front headlock, you stay there and "look" like you're trying to score and eat time off the clock. If you have an opening to get to a leg (which often happens when a guy is in desperation mode late, drop in on the leg and eat time that way. With a minute left, I look at the goal as to be just active enough not get give up your first stall warning, and then once you get down to the final thirty, you can pretty much just disengage. Like I said above, 30 seconds left with zero stall warnings, you aren't getting hit twice for stalling. And I know this reply is already too long, but one last point: my argument was mostly in regard to the topic of this thread. With the three point takedown, you often have a wrestler enter the third with a 4-1 lead, in a 1 takedown match (obviously), and with 3 stall calls to give. In this case, they have 3 stalls to give before it effects the outcome of the match. My suggestion with quicker stall calls is to prevent matches where the leading wrestler can dance around the mat without engaging for an entire period with impunity.

You're still missing my point, apparently. I'm not criticizing the referees abilities. I am criticizing the current way that wrestling is regularly officiated where a lot of blatant stalling is permitted without consequence. I'm not doubting the referees abilities to recognize stalling, I'm questioning the point at which the stalling is egregious enough to be called. I'm not advocating for more rules. I'm advocating for obvious stalling to be called stalling. Just because you have a lead doesn't mean you should be able back up to the edge and step OB anytime you get into trouble for the final minute of the match.