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With the USA's struggles at 65kg over the past twenty years and the revolving door that is USA reps at the weight, I went back year by year to 2006 and looked found every medalist in Worlds and Olympics. During this span, 12 wrestlers have represented the red white and blue. 6 of them were 1 time reps. 4 have represented the USA twice. Zain has been the man on three separate occasions, and Metcalf leads the pack with 4 trips to the World Championships. This made me wonder if other countries have had a similar lack of continuity with their representatives, as well as similar struggles to place at the worlds most competitive weight class. Here are the most to least medals by country since 2006. 1. Russia: 12 total medals from 8 different wrestlers. 4 gold, 2 silver, 6 bronze 2. Japan: 6 medals from 3 different wrestlers. 4 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze 3. India: 6 medals from two different wrestlers. 1 gold, 2 silver, 3 bronze 4. Iran: 5 medals from 3 different wrestlers. 1 gold, 3 silver, 1 bronze 5: Georgia: 5 medals from 2 different wrestlers. 1 gold, 1 silver, 3 bronze 6. Cuba: 5 medals from 2 different wrestlers. 1 silver, 4 bronze 7. Hungary: 3 medals from Muszukajev. 1 gold, 2 bronze 8. Azerbaijan: 3 medals from two different wrestlers. 3 silver 9. Mongolia: 3 medals from two different wrestlers. 3 bronze 10. Turkey: 2 gold medals from Sahin. 11: USA: 1 gold from Zadick, 1 silver from Diakomihalis. 12. Italy: Chamizo 1 gold, 1 bronze / Armenia: 1 gold and 1 bronze. 13: Ukraine, Navruzov, Kazakhstan, Puerto Rico all with 1 silver and 1 bronze each. 14. Poland with 1 silver. 15. Moldova, Kyrgyzstan, and Albania with 1 bronze each. Some other interesting notes that I discovered during this research include.. No wrestler has won 3 golds at 65kg, and only three have claimed 2. Otuguru for Japan, Romonov for Russia, and Sahin for Turkey. Only Tushishvili of Georgia, Lopez of Cuba, Punia of India, Romonov, Muszukajev, and Yonemitsu have medaled 3 times at the weight. Only Tushishvili and Punia have earned four medals with 1 silver and 3 bronze respectively, and no one has 5 medals. Of the 40 medalists over the past 20 years, exactly 20 of those wrestlers earned just 1 medal at the weight class. I spent far too much time putting this together (I'm sure someone better with excel could have done it much faster than I) and maybe @Wrestleknownothing can create an interesting graphic from this information if it suits his interest. Nevertheless, if you actually take the time to read this, I'd love to for you to share any takeaways you might have from the information, how it pertains to USA wrestling, or just the landscape of 65kg as a whole.

Uww.org looks like it only has data back to 2014. I'm trying to put together a little research, but it's hard finding the results in an easy way.

A lot can change between now and then, absolutely. This is just a guess based on current commits/roster configuration. Braeden Davis will likely still be on the roster in 2028 assuming he redshirts either this year or next depending on the plan with Ono and Blaze.

I know, after putting this together, I was disappointed at how far away it feels when we'll finally get to see it. These 2025 and 2026 classes have to have the most loaded top 10s in recent history. The amount of wrestlers that are competitive on the senior level is unprecedented. It will be interesting who can continue their trajectory and who will plateau. I can't wait for an actual team race.

No, you're the bad guy that I didn't want to be. I figured cut him some slack. He's a high schooler wrestling up a weight, but you opened the door and I figured I'd back you up. I'm sure you feel the same way, he's obviously a super talent and no part of me is doubting how successful he can be, but I think it's fair to say that his style this weekend was "cautious," to put it politely. I didn't notice his arms being in too unusual of a position. I'll have to watch for it next time.

That's kind of what I thought. You don't typically see a TD awarded in FS until the defending wrestler turns down and the attacking wrestler is on top and completely behind. If there were a couple more seconds, Dake likely gives up exposure or has to turn down to avoid doing so. In folkstyle that would have 100% been a takedown, but like the quad pod, FS takedowns are called differently.

I did say in the last 20 years, but Steveson was a glaring omission. But the main point was disputing the claim that "not many win gold after 25." The opposite is true. The majority of USA's gold's have been won by wrestlers 25 or older and winning a world title before the age of 25 is actually the outlier.

Read the post I was responding to, and then read my post and figure out why I mentioned Kyle Snyder's name twice. You can figure this out. I believe in you.

My hope is that he was just tentative to take a shot against bigger, stronger opponents. I don't remember him being so brutal to watch at 61kg. But I felt the same way, I almost created a thread wondering if we found Bartlett's heir apparent. If he wrestles at 141 next year, I fear that we may be in line for some brutal matches. What's the opposite of guns Blaze-ing? Guns holstered? Might have to start workshopping a nickname just in case.

I would say indisputable. You nailed it, Jimmy!

My brother.. All of Dake's Golds.. he was 27 or older All of David Taylor's golds.. 27 or older and DT was 32 when he won his last World Gold. All of Burroughs golds other than 2011 happened when he was 25 or older and his last gold was at 33 Gilman was 26. Stieber was 25. Micic was 27. Snyder won gold at 26. How many world gold medalists have been won by wrestling under 25 in the last 20 years in men's FS? Cejudo, Snyder.. and?

David Taylor was 27 when he got on his first team and won his first title. Kyle Dake was 27 when he made his first team and won his first world title. Who you have to beat to get on the team matters. Now you can argue that Dake and Taylor couldn't beat a prime Burroughs at his ideal weight class while Starocci failed to beat a 34 year old Dake who is wrestling up 24 pound from where he competed last year.

I just went back and rewatched, you are right. Barr got off his butt and to his feet in a low squat when he pulled Sinclair through. It was a correctly called very close four. I didn't see it in real time, but maybe the tiger style corner did.

But it wasn't feet to back. It was a crackdown position?

Sinclair had to be over aggressive knowing he needed to score 3 points in the last 45 seconds and gave up the takedown to make it 7-3. If Sinclair wins the challenge, it would have been 3-3 and one point would have won the match.

Well, technically if it was 6-3 after the lost challenge, Sinclair would have needed 7 to win rather than 6. But with that amount of time left, I would have risked it being tied at 3-3 being down by criteria rather than accept essentially being down by 3 with 45 seconds left. I have no idea how it was called and confirmed four.

I didn't understand that one either. Also, he probably shouldn't have taken that shot. I respect looking to score, but being undersized with the lead.. probably don't need to be so aggressive. I was interested to see Barr have to go get one on his own.

I'm not as familiar with how that position is called in FS. Do they typically call it the same as folk?

Try scoring before the last 10 seconds of the match and maybe he doesn't find himself in this position. Poor late match wrestling by Dake, but poor offensive effort from Starocci the first 5:50 of the match.

Without a singlet pull, Zahid takes out Brooks last year. You believe Starocci is better than Brooks?

Who's winning 86kg tomorrow, Dake or Starocci? Will either wrestler secure a takedown? IIRC Dake did not score a TD on Keckeisen today, but he is savvy enough in FS that he can score points in a number of ways.

I think they're saying he established the takedown when he gained control of both legs and then turned him with a lace(ish). I don't have that strong of a feeling on it either way, as I can see the argument for both. Edit: Unless you're questioning whether or not their is exposure? But for that I would say he went hand to hand and that's 2.

Think she said this about Spencer coming out of high school?

This. Make sure the viewers don't know when the marquee matchups are going to take place.

Didn't realize that the tournament organizers thought it best to run half the quarters separate from the other half. I thought those were prelims.