wrestlingguy Posted April 9 Posted April 9 @ThreePointTakedown I acknowledged that things like racism and slavery existed many years ago to keep others down. You keep referencing things that happened well over 100+ years ago. If they still exist today why don't we ask Barack Obama, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Thurgood Marshall, Robert Johnson, and Ketanji Jackson among many others, how they overcame this made up system? There are choices in life and also consequences for those choices whether you like to admit it or not. I have said it 100 times, some people have to work harder than others because life isn't fair. No amount of spewing your sociology nonsense online is going to make a damn bit of difference. Try finding something that actually makes a difference like volunteering at the boys and girls club or being a big brother through big brothers/big sisters. I have a black daughter. Do you think I am going to tell her that she is going to be less successful in life because the color of her skin based on a made up system that is magically oppressing people? Hell no! She is the most determined little girl I have ever seen and thankfully she will be wildly successful. 4
jross Posted April 9 Posted April 9 20 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: That last question is posed as a claim. You tell me. If you think it has happened then provide evidence for your claim? If not, then it never happened and we don't need to waste time discussing it. This is fact and I'm not doing your homework. Why is it true? 20 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Thank you for acknowledging that it was bad. These were not the only places that followed these practices You are welcome, for confirming for like the fifth time across your repeated threads 20 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: They are still being denied to have ever happened or that they had meaningful effects. As you are doing right now. Incorrect. They definitely occurred and had meaningful effects. I've never said otherwise. I agree with you that they had meaningful effects in the past. Personal accountability enables yesterday's oppressed to achieve more than you have. 20 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: currently policy was never discussed so that question is irrelevant Evasive. If past oppression's effects "are still being felt," then current policies (welfare, criminal justice, education, immigration, DEI hiring) are central to whether those effects are mitigated, exacerbated, or irrelevant. Ignoring policy outcomes (welfare's role in single motherhood) is cherry-picking. 20 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: This will keep us from becoming a better union and will continue to treat people in our country as less worthy of equality or equity. If some of us are not treated as equal, then we all suffer. Your privilege might not insulate you from the effects in a meaningful way. Not all citizens are treated the same under the law, and that is often constitutional. Can a child drive? [no] Are child criminals given the same punishment as adult criminals? [no] But it is not permissible or acceptable to treat citizens differently based on race... Can non whites own homes in white neighborhoods? [yes] Can Muslims buy homes, build Islamic schools, and construct mosques in traditionally Christian neighborhoods? [Yes] 21 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Why are you really pushing back so hard? A few sentences that agrees oppression occurred and asks a question is pushing back hard? You do know I can go much harder on this topic because I agree with the world that the victim mindset is one of the worst psychological conditions. You got to have the sickness to talk about housing as an oppression holding back folks today. 21 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: My guess. Is because we're ashamed of our ancestors. For slavery. For our treatment of Native Americans. We feel that we will be treated by them, the same way they treated us. That would be horrible, I agree. Because it WAS horrible. We were horrible to everyone that didn't look, pray, speak, or think like us. We were able to create an incredibly powerful country and the thought of losing that is quite the dangling sword. Why are you talking about guilt, slavery and native americans? What is this section getting at? The year is 2026! --- Current disparities are not primarily caused by past oppression. Rather they are caused by current behaviors, culture, IQ distributions, family breakdown, policy failures (welfare incentives), soft-on-crime, education decline... lack of personal accountability... 2
Lipdrag Posted April 18 Posted April 18 Chinese guy is not happy with Mamdani's "count the colored noses" (CCN) plan. Note- it probably includes CGN and C?N plans. There seems to be no CJN plan. Jews must not have ever seen systemic oppression . . . CGN = count the girl noses. C?N = count the alphabet soup and even certain missing and murdered noses. It's a long read: https://www.city-journal.org/article/new-york-city-mamdani-racial-equity-plan People who tolerate me on a daily basis . . . they are the real heroes.
jross Posted April 18 Posted April 18 375 pages of stupid. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/equity/downloads/pdf/FINAL_PUBLISH_Preliminary REP_4 6 26.pdf
Lipdrag Posted April 21 Posted April 21 The foot washing stations and Muslim prayer room is going right next to the 10 Commandments, Crucifix, Menora, and the wiccan pentagram among other "non religious monuments of cultural relevance" to help all students be better educated. These oppressed Muslims are finally being treated with equity. 1 People who tolerate me on a daily basis . . . they are the real heroes.
mspart Posted April 21 Posted April 21 What happened to the separation of church and state? It seems a lawsuit should be coming forthwith. If we can't pray in schools why do we have a prayer room with feet washing stations? Will everyone be able to wash feet in there? That might be nice. I'm guessing that is not the intended purpose but will undoubtedly become a purpose. mspart
Lipdrag Posted April 22 Posted April 22 4 minutes ago, mspart said: What happened to the separation of church and state? It seems a lawsuit should be coming forthwith. If we can't pray in schools why do we have a prayer room with feet washing stations? Will everyone be able to wash feet in there? That might be nice. I'm guessing that is not the intended purpose but will undoubtedly become a purpose. mspart Libs who scream about church/state separation won't sue. Mohommadans are oppressed and considered colored so they can't be opposed in any way. Besides, they might riot. This is equity. Does the NAACP cover muslims? Farrakan would be welcome there, right? But would the Shah of Iran? 2 People who tolerate me on a daily basis . . . they are the real heroes.
Lipdrag Posted April 22 Posted April 22 The Bee comes through: https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-devastated-to-learn-america-less-racist-than-they-thought People who tolerate me on a daily basis . . . they are the real heroes.
ThreePointTakedown Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 12 hours ago, Scouts Honor said: i think this is an appropriate place to put this Have you investigated this at all? Is it legit? How is this person using the word 'proficient'? Do you care? Or did you just see a headline that you thought made sense to you and went with it? Hint: It isn't legit. Can you tell us all why? Thanks for bringing this topic back.
Doublehalf Posted May 6 Posted May 6 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Have you investigated this at all? Is it legit? How is this person using the word 'proficient'? Do you care? Or did you just see a headline that you thought made sense to you and went with it? Hint: It isn't legit. Can you tell us all why? Thanks for bringing this topic back. He certainly can't... Most likely because he was educated in a state like Mississippi... Edited May 6 by Doublehalf
Caveira Posted May 6 Posted May 6 1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Have you investigated this at all? Is it legit? How is this person using the word 'proficient'? Do you care? Or did you just see a headline that you thought made sense to you and went with it? Hint: It isn't legit. Can you tell us all why? Thanks for bringing this topic back. New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof has repeatedly cited this statistic in early 2026, most notably in his column "These Three Red States Are the Best Hope in Schooling". Kristof argued that while progressives often focus on national politics, they should examine educational failures in "blue" states like California, where achievement gaps persist despite high spending. Key Facts Behind the Quote The Comparison: In 2024 NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress) results, Black fourth graders in Mississippi were found to be approximately 2.5 times more likely to be proficient in reading than their peers in California. Demographic Gains: When adjusting for factors like poverty and race, Mississippi's fourth-grade reading and math scores recently ranked #1 in the nation. The "Mississippi Miracle": The state's rapid improvement is attributed to strict literacy laws, teacher coaching, and a shift toward "Science of Reading" phonics-based instruction. The Big Picture: Kristof’s central critique is that "blue" states often allow ideology or regulations to hinder student outcomes, whereas Mississippi implemented evidence-based reforms that dramatically lifted scores for its most vulnerable students. 1
Scouts Honor Posted May 6 Posted May 6 3 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Have you investigated this at all? Is it legit? How is this person using the word 'proficient'? Do you care? Or did you just see a headline that you thought made sense to you and went with it? Hint: It isn't legit. Can you tell us all why? Thanks for bringing this topic back. can you not read? you must be from cali do you suppose that kristol is a conservative? what part do you think is not legit?
ThreePointTakedown Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 2 hours ago, Caveira said: New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof has repeatedly cited this statistic in early 2026, most notably in his column "These Three Red States Are the Best Hope in Schooling". Kristof argued that while progressives often focus on national politics, they should examine educational failures in "blue" states like California, where achievement gaps persist despite high spending. Key Facts Behind the Quote The Comparison: In 2024 NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress) results, Black fourth graders in Mississippi were found to be approximately 2.5 times more likely to be proficient in reading than their peers in California. Demographic Gains: When adjusting for factors like poverty and race, Mississippi's fourth-grade reading and math scores recently ranked #1 in the nation. The "Mississippi Miracle": The state's rapid improvement is attributed to strict literacy laws, teacher coaching, and a shift toward "Science of Reading" phonics-based instruction. The Big Picture: Kristof’s central critique is that "blue" states often allow ideology or regulations to hinder student outcomes, whereas Mississippi implemented evidence-based reforms that dramatically lifted scores for its most vulnerable students. You're just repeating the claim. You know that, right? Repeating a lie or untruth does not change the facts surrounding the claim. This post only answered one of the questions that I posed. Do you care? Repeating a false claim without adding any actual evidence for the claim makes it seem as if you do not. You and the claim are still wrong. You're not interested in entertaining that fact for some reason. Proceeding or pretending as if it IS true is harmful. In that it prevents you from seeking out a more beneficial answer. Kind of like a 'always in the last place you look' kind of thing.
ThreePointTakedown Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 14 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: can you not read? you must be from cali do you suppose that kristol is a conservative? what part do you think is not legit? So, 'yes' you did take it on face value and refused to investigate even a bit about how they came to that conclusion. It said, 'Blue state, bad. Red state, good' and you just ran with it as if its true. You are a weak or lazy thinker. I'll give you one more chance to figure out why touting the 'South Surge'(BIG HINT) is actually more harmful to kids. When you refuse to research or crash out at the idea of having to admit you were misled. Not even wrong, just misled. Then I'll tell you. And it took me 45 seconds to find it after reading your first post.
Caveira Posted May 6 Posted May 6 (edited) 1 minute ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Do you care? I do not. Your to much jibberish and nonsense Edited May 6 by Caveira 1
ThreePointTakedown Posted May 6 Author Posted May 6 6 minutes ago, Caveira said: I do not. Your to much jibberish and nonsense I know your emotions will not allow you to be honest when reading or responding to my posts and that's a shame. The question 'Do you care?' was not about YOU, because I don't care if YOU care. It was to follow up on the question about the use of the word 'proficient'. Seeing as these posts are about reading you should try to be less ironic and actually read the words. Considering this topic is about understanding and comprehending words, not just recognizing them(damn I gave it away). Were you a phonics kid? But I know you don't care. It seems as if you just want to be right or win and will do anything, which very much includes denial of facts to claim your intellectual superiority. How small a person you must be to need such a worthless prize. Go on, collect your dubs.
Scouts Honor Posted May 6 Posted May 6 55 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So, 'yes' you did take it on face value and refused to investigate even a bit about how they came to that conclusion. It said, 'Blue state, bad. Red state, good' and you just ran with it as if its true. You are a weak or lazy thinker. I'll give you one more chance to figure out why touting the 'South Surge'(BIG HINT) is actually more harmful to kids. When you refuse to research or crash out at the idea of having to admit you were misled. Not even wrong, just misled. Then I'll tell you. And it took me 45 seconds to find it after reading your first post. so a leftist who writes for the NYTimes misled me. good to know.
jross Posted May 6 Posted May 6 1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said: You're just repeating the claim. You know that, right? Repeating a lie or untruth does not change the facts surrounding the claim. It is truth but also it is stats... According to the official 2024 NAEP Reading Snapshot Reports for Grade 4 (public schools): Mississippi Black students: 19% at or above NAEP Proficient. https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/subject/publications/stt2024/pdf/2024220MS4.pdf California Black students: 7% at or above NAEP Proficient https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/subject/publications/stt2024/pdf/2024220CA4.pdf 19% is approximately 2.7 times 7%, which rounds to “about 2.5 times more likely.” A different stat looking at scale score points shows a difference of 20 points (MS 206 to CA 186). So like a 10% difference. That seems small, right? But ~10 points is 1 year of learning so there is a 1.5 to 2 year advantage on average. Wow! ----------- See also: https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile/overview/MS?chort=1&sub=MAT&st=MN&year=2024R3&sfj=NP&cti=PgTab_OT&sj=MS And: https://www.air.org/resource/blog-post/naep-puzzle-why-does-academic-progress-hit-wall-high-school 2
Offthemat Posted May 6 Posted May 6 1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said: math is so tough Especially for ‘Studies’ grads.
Lipdrag Posted May 20 Posted May 20 The systemic racism has been against Asians and Whites for my entire life. This article is a bit long to read but worth it. It points out the disparity in qualifications leading up to medical school admissions. https://www.city-journal.org/article/medical-school-disparities-dei-manipulation?skip=1 2 People who tolerate me on a daily basis . . . they are the real heroes.
Offthemat Posted May 20 Posted May 20 2 hours ago, Lipdrag said: The systemic racism has been against Asians and Whites for my entire life. This article is a bit long to read but worth it. It points out the disparity in qualifications leading up to medical school admissions. https://www.city-journal.org/article/medical-school-disparities-dei-manipulation?skip=1 Yeah, I read that earlier. It’s still happening and deserves energetic enforcement. Placing lesser qualified students in the restricted seats in our medical schools is a matter of life and death. Both practices should be ended; the AMA/congress alliance in restricting seats and; placing lesser qualified students ahead of more qualified students. Especially based on incidental physical attributes.
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