Reasonable Discussion: Systemic Oppression

[Bigbrog]

4 hours ago, El Luchador said:

You mean because I don't accept the premise that if a minority is pulled over it's racism I can't have an opinion? I have to first admit you are right then I can participate in the discussion. You are an idiot.

  Well said.

[ThreePointTakedown]

On 3/3/2026 at 6:52 PM, El Luchador said:

Is it possible they get pulled over more because they don't respect the laws.

As many variables as could be considered, at the time, were factored into the stops. Being able to see the color of the person driving has nothing to do with whether they 'respect' the laws. 

The 'they' comes off as a little racist. Was that your intention? Who are the 'they' you are referring to? 

22 hours ago, El Luchador said:

You mean because I don't accept the premise that if a minority is pulled over it's racism I can't have an opinion? I have to first admit you are right then I can participate in the discussion. You are an idiot.

You can reject the premise, sure. Can you justify the rejection? With so much data to back the conclusion do you feel comfortable simply rejecting it without being able to explain it? If you refuse to read the material to educate yourself or simply refuse to explain for whatever reason then your rejection of the premise is suspect. Which makes it pretty clear your opinion is built on emotion and bias. So your opinion is not worth considering. 

If you've read the material and can speak intelligently about it and still reject the premise then that would be an interesting conversation to have. If you did all that and ACTUALLY had facts or a logical conclusion that you came to in disagreement with mine, I think it would be pretty obvious to include that in a post about you 'rejecting the premise'. 

 

So which one is it? 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

As many variables as could be considered, at the time, were factored into the stops. Being able to see the color of the person driving has nothing to do with whether they 'respect' the laws. 

The 'they' comes off as a little racist. Was that your intention? Who are the 'they' you are referring to? 

 

You can reject the premise, sure. Can you justify the rejection? With so much data to back the conclusion do you feel comfortable simply rejecting it without being able to explain it? If you refuse to read the material to educate yourself or simply refuse to explain for whatever reason then your rejection of the premise is suspect. Which makes it pretty clear your opinion is built on emotion and bias. So your opinion is not worth considering. 

If you've read the material and can speak intelligently about it and still reject the premise then that would be an interesting conversation to have. If you did all that and ACTUALLY had facts or a logical conclusion that you came to in disagreement with mine, I think it would be pretty obvious to include that in a post about you 'rejecting the premise'. 

 

So which one is it? 

It’s a proven fact they commit more crimes per capita than anyone else…. Yall cite their incarceration rate as evidence all the time 

[ThreePointTakedown]

23 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

Again...must be so hard to go through life thinking everything and everyone is a racist.  yikes... 

I hate when people try to equate things or people as racist that truly aren't...it reduces the meaning/impact of actual racism which I don't think we should ever do.

Not everything and everyone. I am not. I know that. And I would like to think most people on this site, but not nearly enough. How can you determine who, other than you, are truly not? I make the claim based on your words. Now, granted, those could be false words. Typed as a joke or for the purpose of trolling. But why would someone want to convince a stranger that they ARE racist but really not. Those would be actions which are, as they say, louder. So that would mean they are even more racist. Your ignorance and refusal to engage honestly on several subjects have highlighted your bias about systemic oppression, trans rights, abortion, education, and however many other issues that have been discussed on this site. Does that make you racist? Maybe you really aren't. But you're not doing a great job of convincing me and I'll bet many others that you are NOT racist. 

And saying these lil, 'I have when...' statements do a whole lot less to convince anyone other than yourself. Which I think is your reason or you would just engage honestly and with facts and that would go a long way to provide evidence that you are not racist. 

I understand your ego might be the biggest barrier to you fixing things moving forward. Not wanting to give me what I am suggesting. That's fine. You're the only one that suffers in that case. You can continue to avoid the conversations. I get it. Its easier. I was there. Not there anymore, obviously. Not afraid to engage in topics I feel are important. 

23 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

I am not sure if I believe this statement 100% but what I can do is use an example of my stepbrother who was a long-time cop (retired now) in a pretty crappy city, which I won't name, and he got "written up" for pulling over too many minorities for traffic violations and was told "you need to pull more white people over" (yes it was a police chief appointed by a D mayor)...oh and I'll mention my stepbrother is a minority as well...anyway his response to the chief was "I work nights and can't see into the vehicle when I notice a car speeding/missing headlights/etc. and go to pull them over so how will I know what color they are?"...which I can attest to as I did a couple of ride alongs with him and when we worked speed enforcement you determine well ahead of being able to see in the car if you are going to pull someone over...anyway he was told he needed to do it anyway.

We all want to see the best in the people we love/respect. Is there a chance you were not told the whole truth? That they dressed up some of the facts to make them seem less racist than they really are(even if they feel they aren't racist, they could still be unconsciously biased). Because we all know that humans, cops included, don't always tell the 100% truth. 

This is an example of anecdotal bias that we need to be careful and not allow to carry too much weight with regards to our opinions and ideas. 

It is entirely possible your step-brother is a raging racist and simply learned to hide it in such a way they were able to get away with it. 

Also the police chief could have done the exact same thing. Concealed their racism so much they were able to get promoted. Granting them the authority and influence to guide and protect other racist cops. 

Serial killers, sometimes, live in quiet neighborhoods. Alongside people that swear they were, 'the last person I would think could have done these horrible things.' 

 

The lack of, even a hint of, scepticism is staggering.

[Bigbrog]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

Not everything and everyone. I am not. I know that. And I would like to think most people on this site, but not nearly enough. How can you determine who, other than you, are truly not? I make the claim based on your words. Now, granted, those could be false words. Typed as a joke or for the purpose of trolling. But why would someone want to convince a stranger that they ARE racist but really not. Those would be actions which are, as they say, louder. So that would mean they are even more racist. Your ignorance and refusal to engage honestly on several subjects have highlighted your bias about systemic oppression, trans rights, abortion, education, and however many other issues that have been discussed on this site. Does that make you racist? Maybe you really aren't. But you're not doing a great job of convincing me and I'll bet many others that you are NOT racist. 

And saying these lil, 'I have when...' statements do a whole lot less to convince anyone other than yourself. Which I think is your reason or you would just engage honestly and with facts and that would go a long way to provide evidence that you are not racist. 

I understand your ego might be the biggest barrier to you fixing things moving forward. Not wanting to give me what I am suggesting. That's fine. You're the only one that suffers in that case. You can continue to avoid the conversations. I get it. Its easier. I was there. Not there anymore, obviously. Not afraid to engage in topics I feel are important. 

 

We all want to see the best in the people we love/respect. Is there a chance you were not told the whole truth? That they dressed up some of the facts to make them seem less racist than they really are(even if they feel they aren't racist, they could still be unconsciously biased). Because we all know that humans, cops included, don't always tell the 100% truth. 

This is an example of anecdotal bias that we need to be careful and not allow to carry too much weight with regards to our opinions and ideas. 

It is entirely possible your step-brother is a raging racist and simply learned to hide it in such a way they were able to get away with it. 

Also the police chief could have done the exact same thing. Concealed their racism so much they were able to get promoted. Granting them the authority and influence to guide and protect other racist cops. 

Serial killers, sometimes, live in quiet neighborhoods. Alongside people that swear they were, 'the last person I would think could have done these horrible things.' 

 

The lack of, even a hint of, scepticism is staggering.

So, you start your premise every time you read something or see something that racism is involved.  You are skeptical about what people say and how they say it because you are convinced it is embedded in ill intent and/or racism?  What a terrible way to live your life...you must be miserable.  By any chance are you about a 20 something white man...errr...person that thinks they know what is best for the oppressed and minority??

And seriously guy...get some help!

[El Luchador]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

As many variables as could be considered, at the time, were factored into the stops. Being able to see the color of the person driving has nothing to do with whether they 'respect' the laws. 

The 'they' comes off as a little racist. Was that your intention? Who are the 'they' you are referring to? 

 

You can reject the premise, sure. Can you justify the rejection? With so much data to back the conclusion do you feel comfortable simply rejecting it without being able to explain it? If you refuse to read the material to educate yourself or simply refuse to explain for whatever reason then your rejection of the premise is suspect. Which makes it pretty clear your opinion is built on emotion and bias. So your opinion is not worth considering. 

If you've read the material and can speak intelligently about it and still reject the premise then that would be an interesting conversation to have. If you did all that and ACTUALLY had facts or a logical conclusion that you came to in disagreement with mine, I think it would be pretty obvious to include that in a post about you 'rejecting the premise'. 

 

So which one is it? 

They is who we are talking about. You just continue to prove me right when I call you an idiot.

[ThreePointTakedown]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

It’s a proven fact they commit more crimes per capita than anyone else…. Yall cite their incarceration rate as evidence all the time 

Glad you brought this up. Where are you getting the 'facts' that support your claim? 

Also, incarceration rates are not a reflection of who commits crimes or at what rate. It is simply a reflection of who gets tried and convicted. As I mentioned earlier, the black population is arrested and exonerated for crimes at a higher rate. As well as not having resources to post bail or afford a competent attorney can affect the rates that black and brown people plead in cases where they were otherwise innocent of the crime. Staying in jail, waiting for trial can be detrimental to your financial options. Keeping or getting a job for example. Getting arrested for a crime you didn't do can put employment in jeopardy. Further exacerbating one's financial hardship. 

I know these are things you probably haven't considered and will likely continue to overlook. Because seeing anyone as being a victim of the system, even a little bit, would destroy your entire narrative on this. But, sorry to say, these situations happen and no amount of 'work harder' or 'make better choices' can help when you've been arrest for a crime you didn't do, for no reason other than you look like someone in a group that has historically been victim of racism and oppression since America was discovered. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

Looks like you couldn’t find the time to read this one either. Here’s another chance. But if you’re too stupid to understand it I can explain it to you. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Looks like you couldn’t find the time to read this one either. Here’s another chance. But if you’re too stupid to understand it I can explain it to you. 

Do the hamsters in your head Ever take a rest ?

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Looks like you couldn’t find the time to read this one either. Here’s another chance. But if you’re too stupid to understand it I can explain it to you. 

Actually no one cares to talk to you. Carry on.

[Lipdrag]

Crimes anc Crine victims are racist.  And sexist.   Even black victims report that crimes agsinst them are perpetrated  by much higher than the quota of only 6.5% allowed crimes by black men.

Systemic racism is the only explanation why Asian women don't commit 3.5% of the crime and are not 3.5% of the prison population.   Behavior is not a factor.

[ThreePointTakedown]

21 hours ago, Caveira said:

Do the hamsters in your head Ever take a rest ?

Do you think the ‘stupid’ comment was directed at you? 
If so, how telling. 

[JimmySpeaks]

20 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Actually no one cares to talk to you. Carry on.

This  

[jross]

On 3/3/2026 at 12:52 PM, ThreePointTakedown said:

You are all pieces of shit and I pity you. And again I’m glad we will never be confused as to having the same or similar opinions on these topics. 

The title of the topic begins with "Reasonable" and the discussion is anything but from the OP.

 

 

[Rassling]

pinky, any chance of using the normal  font color?. I’d like to see what you’re writing but it’s difficult with eyes so sensitive to brightness. 

[Bigbrog]

2 hours ago, Rassling said:

pinky, any chance of using the normal  font color?. I’d like to see what you’re writing but it’s difficult with eyes so sensitive to brightness. 

Get ready to be called a racist, bigot, transphobe for asking 

[ThreePointTakedown]

2 hours ago, Rassling said:

pinky, any chance of using the normal  font color?. I’d like to see what you’re writing but it’s difficult with eyes so sensitive to brightness. 

Call me by my correct name and engage honestly with the point of the thread. Address some or all of my points and either agree with them or refute them with evidence. Do all that and I'll consider it for this thread, alone. 

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Call me by my correct name and engage honestly with the point of the thread. Address some or all of my points and either agree with them or refute them with evidence. Do all that and I'll consider it for this thread, alone. 

Post some evidence on anything you have said prior boss 

Edited March 13 by Caveira

[ThreePointTakedown]

9 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Post some evidence on anything you have said prior boss 

 

Did the person that refuses to provide evidence for their claims just demand I provide evidence that I already provided in the very first post of this thread? 

Are you THAT stupid? Really? That is a pretty stupid demand to make if you're serious. I'm actually struggling to understand just how stupid you must be to have typed that out and thought it was relevant. You are one of the most dishonest and lazy posters on this site. I am going to save a screen grab of this post to set as a standard for stupid and lazy. Thank you for setting the bar so high and low at the same time. Well done. 

 

 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

Did the person that refuses to provide evidence for their claims just demand I provide evidence that I already provided in the very first post of this thread? 

Are you THAT stupid? Really? That is a pretty stupid demand to make if you're serious. I'm actually struggling to understand just how stupid you must be to have typed that out and thought it was relevant. You are one of the most dishonest and lazy posters on this site. I am going to save a screen grab of this post to set as a standard for stupid and lazy. Thank you for setting the bar so high and low at the same time. Well done. 

 

 

I post links and articles all the time.  You have never posted a link to anything.  I think your allergic 

[Bigbrog]

20 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

Did the person that refuses to provide evidence for their claims just demand I provide evidence that I already provided in the very first post of this thread? 

Are you THAT stupid? Really? That is a pretty stupid demand to make if you're serious. I'm actually struggling to understand just how stupid you must be to have typed that out and thought it was relevant. You are one of the most dishonest and lazy posters on this site. I am going to save a screen grab of this post to set as a standard for stupid and lazy. Thank you for setting the bar so high and low at the same time. Well done. 

 

 

The number of times you use the word "stupid" in one paragraph says a heck of a lot more about you then it does the person you were directing it too.  Not to mention, pretty funny how your response to being asked for evidence for the claims you make resulted in such a tirade...wouldn't it have been more effective to just provide all the evidence you have to back up your claims than to resort in childish and immature name calling??

But anyway, tell us again how you are so much smarter and more nuanced than everyone else...

[Rassling]

50 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Call me by my correct name and engage honestly with the point of the thread. Address some or all of my points and either agree with them or refute them with evidence. Do all that and I'll consider it for this thread, alone. 

Ok, that was wrong my apology. But please consider using the normal black font or at least a color more friendly to the eyes. Tks

[ThreePointTakedown]

16 minutes ago, Rassling said:

Ok, that was wrong my apology. But please consider using the normal black font or at least a color more friendly to the eyes. Tks

Thanks for the apology. I accept it. 

scroll over and highlight the text. It inverts the brightness of text and background to, perhaps, an easier to read contrast. 
 

hope it helps. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

I post links and articles all the time.  You have never posted a link to anything.  I think your allergic 

And you double down on stupid. 'Never' except for the seven links I included in the FIRST. POST. OF. THIS. THREAD. Hahahahahaaaaaaa... you are so cute. Its adorable you think you can hang. Love the ambition. Seriously keep setting high goals. I don't want to dissuade you. You could get there one day. Till then, you're still a joke. 

[ThreePointTakedown]

39 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

The number of times you use the word "stupid" in one paragraph says a heck of a lot more about you then it does the person you were directing it too.  Not to mention, pretty funny how your response to being asked for evidence for the claims you make resulted in such a tirade...wouldn't it have been more effective to just provide all the evidence you have to back up your claims than to resort in childish and immature name calling??

But anyway, tell us again how you are so much smarter and more nuanced than everyone else...

 

BAH! You are the funny one. This is hilarious. You can't actually be serious. I know you aren't. That's how funny this is. Because you love to chime in on conversations and critique ONLY ONE SIDE and stir up shit. Then you have the temerity to actually refer to someone else as 'childish'. Yup, you are funny. And lazy. And irrelevant. Why are you even wasting the time to comment? 

I don't have to continue to provide evidence of how much smarter and more capable of nuanced conversation than you and several others here. It all currently reside above us. Just scroll and read. But you wouldn't defile yourself by researching your thoughts. Heaven forbid. You'll never be confused with a smart or disciplined thinker even by accident. Worry not.