How long until VT becomes a top 3 program?

[Truzzcat]

3 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

With #2 being OKST? or Nebraska?

OKST I am having a hard time projecting Nebraska out past this year and next losing Allred,Hardy,Lamer,Ferrari(2027) are pretty big hits.

[Winners Circle]

29 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

OKST I am having a hard time projecting Nebraska out past this year and next losing Allred,Hardy,Lamer,Ferrari(2027) are pretty big hits.

I get your point. But they'll still have Minto, McDanel, Araujo, and Ayoub. Plus, I think their track record of developing guys in proven. Who (besides the wrestling nerds that are deep in the weeds), had ever heard of Silas Allred, Christopher Minto (who was 6th at NHSCA Nationals as a senior), and Caleb Smith (yes I know he had some success at App State, but Nebraska put him on the podium 2x. I think that staff will be fine. 

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

So, with the recent news that Mills flipped to ohio state and presumably meaning his brother will be going there as well I think that puts Ohio state back in the conversation with Iowa and v-tech as competitors for that third spot moving forward.

The Mills boys are all college 133s or smaller with the exception of Jaheim (that I'm aware of). That being said, I'm assuming tOSU staff plans on having Davino move up after this year and Bouz sliding back into 133 for his senior year, and a battle at 125 between Munaretto, Mills, Kilkeary, and McCrone in 26-27. Then at some point a Munaretto, Mills, Davino 1-2-3. The Mills family is definitely worth investing in. I'm extremely curious to see how good he'll be by his senior year, and then you'd think it's likely that the next brother coming up, Aviyahn, will probably be pretty tough as well.

[BruceyB]

43 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I get your point. But they'll still have Minto, McDanel, Araujo, and Ayoub. Plus, I think their track record of developing guys in proven. Who (besides the wrestling nerds that are deep in the weeds), had ever heard of Silas Allred, Christopher Minto (who was 6th at NHSCA Nationals as a senior), and Caleb Smith (yes I know he had some success at App State, but Nebraska put him on the podium 2x. I think that staff will be fine. 

Nebraska is absolutely an elite NCAA program and fields a trophy contender year after year. But the 2025 tournament was probably the most improbably run that has ever happened at NCAAs. It was amazing to watch, but you had wrestlers outperform their seed at:

125: Smith 7th place (9 seed)

133: Van Dee 7th place (17 seed)

149: Lovett 1st place (2nd seed)

157: Taylor 1st place (3rd seed and pulled a significant upset over Shapiro to make the finals)

165: Minto 4th place (12 seed)

184: Allred 7th place (12 seed)

197: McDanel 8th place (20 seed)

7 of their 9 wrestlers outperformed their seeds, and they had 5 wrestlers outside of AA seeds make the podium (I'd imagine that has to be the first time that has ever happened). Their only two "underperformances" were #1 seed Hardy taking second and #8 Pinto falling in R12. 

Take out this historic overperformance and in the previous 5 tournaments they finished:

2024: 9th

2023: 8th

2022: 5th

2021: 12th

2019: 10th

They will absolutely be in the hunt for trophies, but like Truzz, I have a hard time picturing Nebraska keeping up with some other programs (as of now) beyond this season. I'd pick them to be battling for a top 5ish spot at NCAAs before finishing second again with their current roster/commits.

[Truzzcat]

3 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

I get your point. But they'll still have Minto, McDanel, Araujo, and Ayoub. Plus, I think their track record of developing guys in proven. Who (besides the wrestling nerds that are deep in the weeds), had ever heard of Silas Allred, Christopher Minto (who was 6th at NHSCA Nationals as a senior), and Caleb Smith (yes I know he had some success at App State, but Nebraska put him on the podium 2x. I think that staff will be fine. 

very strong point. In all honesty I am not sure I have ever seen two guys develop like minto and Antrell. Antrell went 4-5 against d1 comp his redshirt year and most notably lost to alejandro herrera rondon who I thought was a slam dunk recruit but has not even been NQ caliber in college.

[HokieDave87]

8 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

Miller is the real gem of the 3 headed monster that VT got. However, I suspect he could decommit and go to PSU or Okie State. He is going to get paid and I really don't think VT can afford him. 

Both Bo and Melvin have seen what money is out there and committed to VT. Also, VT isn't poor they're still getting paid. Barring an issue with Bo's experience Melvin and Keegan will end up at VT.

[Gene Mills Fan]

9 hours ago, HokieDave87 said:

Both Bo and Melvin have seen what money is out there and committed to VT. Also, VT isn't poor they're still getting paid. Barring an issue with Bo's experience Melvin and Keegan will end up at VT.

maybe some Robie Karma offsets any money difference!!. 

Edited October 14, 2025 by Gene Mills Fan

[Pinnacle]

11 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

very strong point. In all honesty I am not sure I have ever seen two guys develop like minto and Antrell. Antrell went 4-5 against d1 comp his redshirt year and most notably lost to alejandro herrera rondon who I thought was a slam dunk recruit but has not even been NQ caliber in college.

Nebraska's NCAA performance last year was pretty outstanding, and the biggest upside surprise was Antrell Taylor. No way I'd ever have bet he would have won that 157 weight class. 

[Winners Circle]

15 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Nebraska is absolutely an elite NCAA program and fields a trophy contender year after year. But the 2025 tournament was probably the most improbably run that has ever happened at NCAAs. It was amazing to watch, but you had wrestlers outperform their seed at:

125: Smith 7th place (9 seed)

133: Van Dee 7th place (17 seed)

149: Lovett 1st place (2nd seed)

157: Taylor 1st place (3rd seed and pulled a significant upset over Shapiro to make the finals)

165: Minto 4th place (12 seed)

184: Allred 7th place (12 seed)

197: McDanel 8th place (20 seed)

7 of their 9 wrestlers outperformed their seeds, and they had 5 wrestlers outside of AA seeds make the podium (I'd imagine that has to be the first time that has ever happened). Their only two "underperformances" were #1 seed Hardy taking second and #8 Pinto falling in R12. 

Take out this historic overperformance and in the previous 5 tournaments they finished:

2024: 9th

2023: 8th

2022: 5th

2021: 12th

2019: 10th

They will absolutely be in the hunt for trophies, but like Truzz, I have a hard time picturing Nebraska keeping up with some other programs (as of now) beyond this season. I'd pick them to be battling for a top 5ish spot at NCAAs before finishing second again with their current roster/commits.

I think this is a testament to what I was saying of developing their guys and getting them ready.

[Wrestleknownothing]

On 10/13/2025 at 5:19 PM, BruceyB said:

Nebraska is absolutely an elite NCAA program and fields a trophy contender year after year. But the 2025 tournament was probably the most improbably run that has ever happened at NCAAs. It was amazing to watch, but you had wrestlers outperform their seed at:

125: Smith 7th place (9 seed)

133: Van Dee 7th place (17 seed)

149: Lovett 1st place (2nd seed)

157: Taylor 1st place (3rd seed and pulled a significant upset over Shapiro to make the finals)

165: Minto 4th place (12 seed)

184: Allred 7th place (12 seed)

197: McDanel 8th place (20 seed)

7 of their 9 wrestlers outperformed their seeds, and they had 5 wrestlers outside of AA seeds make the podium (I'd imagine that has to be the first time that has ever happened). Their only two "underperformances" were #1 seed Hardy taking second and #8 Pinto falling in R12. 

Take out this historic overperformance and in the previous 5 tournaments they finished:

2024: 9th

2023: 8th

2022: 5th

2021: 12th

2019: 10th

They will absolutely be in the hunt for trophies, but like Truzz, I have a hard time picturing Nebraska keeping up with some other programs (as of now) beyond this season. I'd pick them to be battling for a top 5ish spot at NCAAs before finishing second again with their current roster/commits.

Indeed. I think Nebraska had the second greatest performance relative to their seed in NCAA history (exceeded only, and barely, by the 1969 Iowa State team).

It would be wise to assume some reversion to the mean for them this year. That may come in the form of higher seeds, making it harder to outperform. But that does not necessarily hurt their point scoring potential. Or it may come in the form of back sliding a bit, or a lot. Who knows? 

As for your guess that 2025 Nebraska was the first team to have five AA's seeded outside the top 8....Nailed it.

Previously the most AA's from outside of the top 8 seeds was four. This has been done six times. Most recently by....2022 Nebraska.

[TNwrestling]

On 10/13/2025 at 11:41 AM, WrestlingRash said:

Let me sum up this interaction for you:

1. I posted bassett will be a bust compared to the lofty expectations people like you have

2. you challenged me to a 1K bet that was just laughably dumb

3. I told you how dumb you are, and you start saying I need help

did I get that right? you are such a snowflake and are a bad representation of your family, uncle bassett 

haaaaay short queen. just checking in to see how you're feeling after bo won a bracket with two different all americans winning in the finals 11-1

 

you still standing by your lame ass opinion? as it stands now, bo basset is capable of aa'ing THIS year lmao.

[MPhillips]

Imagine waiting three weeks for a, "gotcha" post...

[TNwrestling]

Just now, MPhillips said:

Imagine waiting three weeks for a, "gotcha" post...

waiting three weeks would imply i knew they were going to clarion three weeks ago. 

 

that said, i couldn't wait to get on and rub it in that turd's face lol

[MPhillips]

7 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

that said, i couldn't wait to get on and rub it in that turd's face lol

 

[Winners Circle]

1 hour ago, TNwrestling said:

haaaaay short queen. just checking in to see how you're feeling after bo won a bracket with two different all americans winning in the finals 11-1

 

you still standing by your lame ass opinion? as it stands now, bo basset is capable of aa'ing THIS year lmao.

I'm not in the fight between you and the troll, just to be clear. I know Stiles, but who's the other AA?

[okokzach]

1 hour ago, TNwrestling said:

haaaaay short queen. just checking in to see how you're feeling after bo won a bracket with two different all americans winning in the finals 11-1

 

you still standing by your lame ass opinion? as it stands now, bo basset is capable of aa'ing THIS year lmao.

How many AAs did Bo beat?

[HokieDave87]

4 hours ago, okokzach said:

How many AAs did Bo beat?

None, still showed he could AA this year 

[WrestlingRash]

10 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

haaaaay short queen. just checking in to see how you're feeling after bo won a bracket with two different all americans winning in the finals 11-1

 

you still standing by your lame ass opinion? as it stands now, bo basset is capable of aa'ing THIS year lmao.

how many AAs did he beat? little early to be this drunk, no? uncle bassett, you gotta calm down. 

[WrestlingRash]

10 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

haaaaay short queen. just checking in to see how you're feeling after bo won a bracket with two different all americans winning in the finals 11-1

 

you still standing by your lame ass opinion? as it stands now, bo basset is capable of aa'ing THIS year lmao.

forgot to mention that bo is already older than everyone else in his bracket...

[MPhillips]

14 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

forgot to mention that bo is already older than everyone else in his bracket...

Plenty of other folks have it covered...

[ScottishSteel]

14 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

I'm not in the fight between you and the troll, just to be clear. I know Stiles, but who's the other AA?

I don't think there was another AA in his bracket

[nhs67]

16 hours ago, okokzach said:

How many AAs did Bo beat?

Zero.

[TNwrestling]

8 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

how many AAs did he beat? little early to be this drunk, no? uncle bassett, you gotta calm down. 

none...and yet he still looks better than any other 49 in the country. 

 

He majored the number 3 in the country 11-1 and you still think hes a bust lmao

[okokzach]

3 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

none...and yet he still looks better than any other 49 in the country. 

He majored the number 3 in the country 11-1 and you still think hes a bust lmao

Number 3?? Maybe Joy was number 3 at his weight among high school seniors when he was a recruit. As for collegiate 149s, at the time of the Clarion Open, Joy was ranked 16th. 

[TNwrestling]

51 minutes ago, okokzach said:

Number 3?? Maybe Joy was number 3 at his weight among high school seniors when he was a recruit. As for collegiate 149s, at the time of the Clarion Open, Joy was ranked 16th. 

I said he's ranked 3. He got majored by a high school senior and jumped to number 3 in the country.