"Journalists" under fire...

[The_KC_Godfather]

 

[Dogbone]

Wrestling doesn't really have journalist in the traditional sense.  They have content creators.   

When was the last time a story came out that the subject of the story didn't bless?  

Even when stories do come out, the "wrestling media" will often make comments like, I heard about this previously or I got a text saying something similar but didn't want to say anything or it wasn't my news to share, etc... 

There probably isn't a market ($$) for a reporter and information would probably dry up quickly if stuff was actually reported when its first learned about.    

I don't have an issue with this but the confusion between what is wrestling media/journalist and a content creator seems to be really bothering people that want the sport to be covered like basketball and football. 

[Caveira]

32 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

Wrestling doesn't really have journalist in the traditional sense.  They have content creators.   

When was the last time a story came out that the subject of the story didn't bless?  

Even when stories do come out, the "wrestling media" will often make comments like, I heard about this previously or I got a text saying something similar but didn't want to say anything or it wasn't my news to share, etc... 

There probably isn't a market ($$) for a reporter and information would probably dry up quickly if stuff was actually reported when its first learned about.    

I don't have an issue with this but the confusion between what is wrestling media/journalist and a content creator seems to be really bothering people that want the sport to be covered like basketball and football. 

Most of Are wrestling “journalists”  have a deep for profit motive ….. streaming.   Thus their kid gloves pertaining to access to top programs.   

Edited 5 hours ago by Caveira

[Dogbone]

7 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Most Are wrestling “journalists”  have a deep for profit motive ….. streaming.   Thus their kid gloves pertaining to access to top programs.   

If I understand your comment correct, yes. 

In the mainstream sports there is enough general fans to support media companies employing someone who will discuss the sport and report on all news, good or bad.   

In wrestling, there isn't enough eyeballs for anyone to justify such a job and the streaming services and rokfin content creators need access to information for their livelihood.    Its not their fault, its what the market demands.  

Edited 5 hours ago by Dogbone

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Dogbone said:

If I understand your comment correct, yes. 

In the mainstream sports there is enough general fans to support media companies employing someone who will discuss the sport and report on all news, good or bad.   

In wrestling, there isn't enough eyeballs for anyone to justify such a job and the streaming services and rokfin content creators need access to information for their livelihood.    Its not their fault, its what the market demands.  

I’ll bet they source as much info from this board as they do elsewhere.   They pay for it cause they need it right ?

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, Dogbone said:

If I understand your comment correct, yes. 

In the mainstream sports there is enough general fans to support media companies employing someone who will discuss the sport and report on all news, good or bad.   

In wrestling, there isn't enough eyeballs for anyone to justify such a job and the streaming services and rokfin content creators need access to information for their livelihood.    Its not their fault, its what the market demands.  

And in the mainstream sports media companies pay a lot of money for broadcast rights. Part of those deals is that athletes, coaches, etc. have to be available to the media or face fines and sanctions. Super Bowl media day is a perfect example. No one is there voluntarily. They are there because the media companies provide the lion's share of the revenue and can command their presence.

That dynamic does not exist in wrestling. And that dynamic does not exist for content creators.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

And in the mainstream sports media companies pay a lot of money for broadcast rights. Part of those deals is that athletes, coaches, etc. have to be available to the media or face fines and sanctions. Super Bowl media day is a perfect example. No one is there voluntarily. They are there because the media companies provide the lion's share of the revenue and can command their presence.

That dynamic does not exist in wrestling. And that dynamic does not exist for content creators.

Just ask Snyder man 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Just ask Snyder man 

You are going to have to connect those dots for me because I don't get the connection.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

You are going to have to connect those dots for me because I don't get the connection.

“Media” was not provided access to him after final x and wasn’t allowed to ask him any tough questions.  He gets a pass.   If he were Jerome Bettis.   Good luck with that.  

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[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

“Media” was not provided access to him after final x and wasn’t allowed to ask him any tough questions.  He gets a pass.   If he were Jerome Bettis.   Good luck with that.  

Got it. I am guessing there are limits even in real media. You did not see Deshaun Watson doing any interviews. But media companies that wrote about his sexual assault accusations and settlements did not face any kind of ban or embargo.

[Caveira]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

Got it. I am guessing there are limits even in real media. You did not see Deshaun Watson doing any interviews. But media companies that wrote about his sexual assault accusations and settlements did not face any kind of ban or embargo.

Fair.  There are plenty of hypothetical negative stories that could have been written out of happy valley.  But I bet flo and rokfin and the others wrote 0.   

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, Caveira said:

Fair.  There are plenty of hypothetical negative stories that could have been written out of happy valley.  But I bet flo and rokfin and the others wrote 0.   

I cannot argue with that. Access is too precious, and it is granted, not paid for.

[Husker_Du]

17 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I’ll bet they source as much info from this board as they do elsewhere.   

lol. stop. 

[Husker_Du]

help me understand. you guys seem to be contradicting yourselves.

are we under fire for not talking about it? or are we under fire because we talked about it?

[cl415]

I thought Pyles was pretty fair with 90% of his comments on FRL but the part about Beau missed the mark. I don’t blame Beau from being upset about it. 

[cl415]

The part of Beau’s statement that caught my eye the most was that he reported everything that he talked about in the article to a PSU coach.

It confirms what many of us thought about the lack of action by the staff as at best a really bad look and at worst potentially opening them up to serious consequences. 

This is from Beau, publicly, firsthand, and will likely warrant scrutiny from the national media before this is all said and done. 

[Dark Energy]

6 minutes ago, cl415 said:

I thought Pyles was pretty fair with 90% of his comments on FRL but the part about Beau missed the mark. I don’t blame Beau from being upset about it. 

I agree.

[Wrestleknownothing]

10 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

help me understand. you guys seem to be contradicting yourselves.

are we under fire for not talking about it? or are we under fire because we talked about it?

It sounds like some from column A and some from column B?

[The_KC_Godfather]

12 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

help me understand. you guys seem to be contradicting yourselves.

are we under fire for not talking about it? or are we under fire because we talked about it?

My take is option c.....it was calling it a "nothing burger". At least that's what I get from her post about your Basch show...

[cl415]

10 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

help me understand. you guys seem to be contradicting yourselves.

are we under fire for not talking about it? or are we under fire because we talked about it?

I think what most people want is an honest and frank conversation about it. I respect a person’s right to having the process play out but there are areas that were glossed over such as the photo incident that Beau reported to coaches. 
 

Not touching the anonymous sources allegations is fine but if Beau is making these claims publicly with his reasoning being that nothing was done by the University, you are just perpetrating the cycle by talking about the article but ignoring parts of his story and his point about the coaches looking the entire way.

You and Basch basically said you think we are all just out to make the PSU program look bad but that’s ridiculous IMO.

[billyhoyle]

Hmm. 

Mark Ruffalo played the investigative reporter who uncovered the catholic church scandal in Spotlight.

Mark Ruffalo played wrestling legend Dave Schultz who was murdered by lunatic John DuPont in Foxcatcher.

Mark Ruffalo played the lawyer who uncovered the DuPont chemical spill in Dark Waters. 

Maybe Mark Ruffalo is who we need to solve this situation. Or maybe we need somebody to step up who can later be portrayed by Mark Ruffalo in a movie?

 

Edited 4 hours ago by billyhoyle

[bnwtwg]

3 minutes ago, cl415 said:

I think what most people want is an honest and frank conversation about it. I respect a person’s right to having the process play out but there are areas that were glossed over such as the photo incident that Beau reported to coaches. 
 

Not touching the anonymous sources allegations is fine but if Beau is making these claims publicly with his reasoning being that nothing was done by the University, you are just perpetrating the cycle by talking about the article but ignoring parts of his story and his point about the coaches looking the entire way.

You and Basch basically said you think we are all just out to make the PSU program look bad but that’s ridiculous IMO.

Pretty much this.

It was the rapid shift from "nothingburger" to the only 5x champ in NCAA history who is knocking on the door of senior world and Olympic teams being told to leave immediately. It warrants further discussion and logical folks are rightfully asking if there is bias. 
 

Wrestling is a sport on life support; this is an example of scenario fans are asking for deeper insight into; perhaps this is the type of media and content and journalism shift to acquiesce. Just throwing it out there.

[wrestle87]

33 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

help me understand. you guys seem to be contradicting yourselves.

are we under fire for not talking about it? or are we under fire because we talked about it?

All due respect, you shouldn’t lump yourself in with these other folks Mr Saylor.  Your forum is a last bastion of free and open discussion in an increasingly paywalled universe.

Slow-pedaling certain news about high impact, high click-generating programs is what people are talking about.

It’s the Brady Belichik T-swift Mahomes parade, but with wrestling shoes.

Honest reporting on important issues gets dismissed or under-reported, because nobody is willing to risk being locked out of Ohio State or Penn State for a decade.

But that’s no longer journalism.

Why did it take a non-wrestling journalist break the Ohio State hellickson-era story?  Because that journalist needed to be outside the sport to be impartial and unaffected by the potential backlash from programs and coaches.

If this Starrocci news was breaking at oregon state or little rock or Chattanooga,  it would be completely dissected and completely out in the open, no holds barred.

But with state college in particular, people treat that room the way they treat the vatican.

And that’s not good.

The inherent societal value of journalism is asking the unseemly questions at the inappropriate times.  It is the magnifying glass society simultaneously offers and levels at all individuals.  

Asymmetric application is where the disapproval comes from.

Edited 4 hours ago by wrestle87

[The_KC_Godfather]

For me, downplaying it when you only have one side of the story is the problem and I can see why the accusers are upset. There is clearly some evidence of wrong doing, otherwise, in the sue happy world we live in, there would be defamation lawsuits for the original article. CS was added to USA wrestling's "Interim Membership Suspension" list and booted from NLWC; Why, if it's a "nothing burger"?

But, I do agree with others in this group that Willie/Flo/Basch/Mineo/etc. (whom I would call "wrestling enthusiast's" instead of "journalists") use their platforms to make money, and it's hard to get the clickbait needed if you lose your inside track by saying something that may upset your sources. I can't blame them for that...if only everyone was lucky enough to cover their sport for a living.

It's a sensitive topic, so people are always going to be unhappy...

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

And in the mainstream sports media companies pay a lot of money for broadcast rights. Part of those deals is that athletes, coaches, etc. have to be available to the media or face fines and sanctions. Super Bowl media day is a perfect example. No one is there voluntarily. They are there because the media companies provide the lion's share of the revenue and can command their presence.

That dynamic does not exist in wrestling. And that dynamic does not exist for content creators.