Carter Starocci faces allegations of sexual assault and theft

[1032004]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

Why would anyone be taking over the counter meds for pneumonia?  

Can you remind us what your opinion was of Fix’s water bottle?

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

heard the theory he took some over the counter steroid for pneumonia and it popped him? 

Yeah, I heard that as well...

That's literally part of his job. To crosscheck everything with USADA. 

Adderall I don't care about. 

Roids or some...a testosterone booster is blatant cheating. Too bad, don't think he needs to... but that's a stain that won't go away.

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Can you remind us what your opinion was of Fix’s water bottle?

Yeah...the hypocrisy is amusing...

BUT also... Penn State has a bit. They were holier than thou. At least some of the fan base. And I thought Cael had a pretty good grip on things. Must have let it slip a bit. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

I spent one week at the Olympic Training Center over 25 years ago.  It was made very very clear to me in that one week that athletes are not to put ANYTHING in their body without making sure that it didn't have a banned substance.  I also spent a weekend with the staff of PSU many years ago.  PSU athletic department said the same thing.  

He has heard this more times than Nelson Brands heard "don't gamble on college sports."   It isn't a secret in his world whatsoever.  If this was an honest mistake caused by an OTC medicine, he is one of the dumbest people out there.  It would also be his second bout of stupidity regarding USADA regulations.  He deserves whatever is coming to him.

[billyhoyle]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I spent one week at the Olympic Training Center over 25 years ago.  It was made very very clear to me in that one week that athletes are not to put ANYTHING in their body without making sure that it didn't have a banned substance.  I also spent a weekend with the staff of PSU many years ago.  PSU athletic department said the same thing.  

He has heard this more times than Nelson Brands heard "don't gamble on college sports."   It isn't a secret in his world whatsoever.  If this was an honest mistake caused by an OTC medicine, he is one of the dumbest people out there.  It would also be his second bout of stupidity regarding USADA regulations.  He deserves whatever is coming to him.

Anyone who believes this was an honest mistake is one of the dumbest people out there. Same thing for the Fix situation. 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah...the hypocrisy is amusing...

BUT also... Penn State has a bit. They were holier than thou. At least some of the fan base. And I thought Cael had a pretty good grip on things. Must have let it slip a bit. 

To be fair I don’t remember his position about Fix, was genuinely asking 

[flyingcement]

Just now, 1032004 said:

To be fair I don’t remember his position about Fix, was genuinely asking 

He has been making a running joke about the Fix family garage refrigerator for as long as I have known him, so it would seem to me as if he is cynical and trying to find the humor in an unsavory situation.  

[Caveira]

15 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

He has been making a running joke about the Fix family garage refrigerator for as long as I have known him, so it would seem to me as if he is cynical and trying to find the humor in an unsavory situation.  

That may have been me too.  For the record.  

[Formally140]

On 6/26/2025 at 11:43 AM, BAC said:

Jimmy my man, I'm not here to tell you who to root for, but you're making an awful lot of assumptions based on a very small amount of evidence.  Not every miscreant is a Jerry Sandusky, and not every coach/admint response that doesn't rectify it a Curley/Paterno.  

It looks bad for Starocci, as I see no reason for Beau to lie.  But remember, a lot of these other allegations are anonymous, and most have never been reported to police (or PSU).  In any case, one bad apple does not mean the whole tree is rotten.   

As I wrote earlier, there's a lot of open questions about what the coaches knew and what was reported to them.  There's no indication that anyone complained about his behavior toward women or, importantly, his in-practice conduct. If they were, those are game changers, but no one is saying that.  As to the theft, I'm not sure what a coach can do besides point Beau to the police, as they aren't detectives. Once reported to police, it is not appropriate for coaches to intervene.

The photo of Beau while naked is the most serious of the allegations that are said to have been reported to coaches.  But even there, there's much we don't know. Beau was naked, but did the photo itself show his privates?  If it did, was it immediately deleted? If not, was it among those posted to a group chat? When reported, did the coaches (a) ignore it, (b) discipline Starocci, but short of booting him, (c) report it up the chain, and they did nothing? Even if an AD dropped the ball, were the coaches willfully ignorant about what they knew to be serious (as they were aware of other perverted conduct), or did they understand this to be low-grade misconduct? I can see scenarios where there is culpability on the part of the coach it was reported to, but I also can see scenarios where it was handled properly.

If you want to take the position that "if a student-athlete ever takes a locker photo of a naked teammate, they should be immediately kicked off the team, no questions asked," you can. In the aftermath of this, I suspect some will take exactly that position. But it strikes me as extreme, as misconduct like this is highly fact-specific. Taking a picture as a gag and promptly deleting it after a laugh is far less culpable than posting a pic of his wang on a group chat, there's the related question whether it's a joke gone awry or more vindictive (as Beau sees it). From our vantage point, it's the other reports of misconduct that makes the photo so problematic, but it isn't clear the coaches had the benefit of that lens.

To be clear, I'm not trying to make excuses.  I'll be at the front of the line calling for resignations/firings if there's facts showing real culpability. But I loathe snap judgments based on one-sided ambiguity-laden reporting. Let the facts come out before making judgments based on facts you don't have.  I'd join you in calling for an investigation, but not for calling for anyone's head at this juncture.

I get I haven't gotten a quarter of the way through the thread.. but pretending this "culture" hasn't been growing and growing and growing in wrestling.. is goddamn naive or out of touch

Yes, obviously there is an element of wait and see. But anyone shocked by this or actually expecting safesport or USA wrestling to intervene... 

and for all the people who say "why don't they name names more or whatever when things like this or coaches cheating, poaching and tolerating Starocci behavior happens 

there has been a culture of silence in wrestling about this stuff. because no one wants more college programs or funding cut. And in a weird way, loyalty to the health of the sport has overridden everything else about this stuff. And if people have the right friends, the behavior just continues. But people who have tried to sound the alarm, get ignored or silenced. And then everyone knows everyone on top of it.

i just had a conversation with someone in the know about this earlier today. Regardless of the scandal, the same three reactions combine to perpetuate nothing being done about.. hazing, inappropriate behavior/relationships, steroids, poaching, etc

1. 10-20% - eh that just how it be at da high level, you just a naive pussy if you have a problem with it

2. 30-40% - eh nothing will actually punish them and it'll just cause me and mine problems and nothing will actually address it, so I'll just run my program clean

3. Rest, OMG how could this happen. "iT wOUlD hAvE BeEN RePORted" 

TLDR: you shouldn't be surprised at stories like this, and no one does anything because they are loyal to the sport

 

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, Formally140 said:

1. 10-20% - eh that just how it be at da high level, you just a naive pussy if you have a problem with it

There is a guy in this thread somewhere.   (I’m paraphrasing).   Common man.  I was pizzed on by some big dude against my will.  It’s no big deal 20 ish years later and we are now friends.  Suck it up buddy.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, billyhoyle said:

Anyone who believes this was an honest mistake is one of the dumbest people out there. Same thing for the Fix situation. 

All I am saying that is IF it were an honest mistake, he's extremely stupid.  Like unbelievably.  Because of what  I know, I'm very unlikely to give an athlete the benefit of the doubt in these situation, plus--- I'm not known to be a big PSU fan.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, billyhoyle said:

Anyone who believes this was an honest mistake is one of the dumbest people out there. Same thing for the Fix situation. 

Also, when he fully formulates his story and goes on Basch and cries about it, he will get prob 25% of this board to believe his story.  Mark my words.

[Formally140]

9 minutes ago, Caveira said:

There is a guy in this thread somewhere.   (I’m paraphrasing).   Common man.  I was pizzed on by some big dude against my will.  It’s no big deal 20 ish years later and we are now friends.  Suck it up buddy.  

The longer I've been around, the more I appreciate 

1. How fortunate I was to be where I was when I was introduced to the sport

2.  the coaches with good results who don't cheat and acknowledge that pound for pound they're better coaches with "better resumes" but they weren't willing to be POS to "acquire" a kid to get those headline results.. or put up with.. questionable behavior.. to keep those athletes around. And that they're super competitive but understand some people will say they don't actually want to win because they don't want to be a POS

3. The more my antenna goes up when "preachyness" gets involved, my personal experience is that hypocrisy ratio is closer to 4-1 bad than good 

[yubfrontin]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

There is a guy in this thread somewhere.   (I’m paraphrasing).   Common man.  I was pizzed on by some big dude against my will.  It’s no big deal 20 ish years later and we are now friends.  Suck it up buddy.  

You were peed on?!?! Bro. That’s not normal or called for 5,10,15, or 100 years ago. I was the same era and we whipped towels at each other, kickstarts, and did the loogie thing. The only time I’ve seen someone pee on another person is when the one guy thought it’d get rid of his athletes foot and asked him to do it lol. 

[Caveira]

20 minutes ago, yubfrontin said:

You were peed on?!?! Bro. That’s not normal or called for 5,10,15, or 100 years ago. I was the same era and we whipped towels at each other, kickstarts, and did the loogie thing. The only time I’ve seen someone pee on another person is when the one guy thought it’d get rid of his athletes foot and asked him to do it lol. 

I wasn’t.  Someone earlier was defending Carter’s hazing behavior and that was one of his examples.  It’s somewhere back in this or one of the other Carter related threads.

[yubfrontin]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I wasn’t.  Someone earlier was defending Carter’s hazing behavior and that was one of his examples.  It’s somewhere back in this or one of the other Carter related threads.

Ohhh. I was confused but cleared up now after rereading. lol what a cuck. If someone peed on me I’d hold a grudge until the day I die!

[Formally140]

Since people want to act like college wrestling isn't like what it actually is.. on my team, and several others i knew of first hand... coaches would tell dudes to break up with gfs and go live with teammate A over teammate B.. but hey Carl knew nottin

[Formally140]

On 6/26/2025 at 5:40 PM, Caveira said:

100% True.  
 

But wait till cnn gets a hold of that.  Is that good for the sport or what?   Wait till don lemon is interviewing some psychologist about the potential down side of excessive oil checking and holding down your teammates for hours at a time.   To the point they transfer.   That will play well on the news for kids wanting to start this sport. 

Thank you for stating exactly why half this stuff doesn't get brought to light

[Formally140]

On 6/26/2025 at 9:02 PM, pokemonster said:

Following the Kyle Snyder thing and the "Surviving Ohio State" doc on Hbo, this is like icing on the cake. Wrestling is gonna have a horrible reputation... Especially when all the defenders start saying that getting your ass fingered and d*ck grabbed in practice is normal wrestling, or snapping naked pics of your teammates to send to the group chat is just good ole fun. Are we having fun yet?

I (and many other coaches) actively fight these things when build teams, but when you say anything. Or point out it's not "tough" or actually useful. That dad who quit after their first year, and might have quit because of it, says it's fine now and anyone who has a problem either it is "soft"

yet those same people are "shocked" that college rooms have fist fights 

[Caveira]

31 minutes ago, yubfrontin said:

Ohhh. I was confused but cleared up now after rereading. lol what a cuck. If someone peed on me I’d hold a grudge until the day I die!

It was @GV4444 page 14 link here 
 

 

[Formally140]

On 6/27/2025 at 5:49 PM, mspart said:

J Rob got run out for less than this.  

mspart

And the actual guilty parties are enjoying careers unaffected.. but hey what can ya do 

[ionel]

9 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Can you remind us what your opinion was of Fix’s water bottle?

These seem different to me.  I've  had two occasions worried about pneumonia.  One cracked a rib, doc said need to be concerned about it developing, never happened.  Second had something felt like in lungs ~5 days different than anything before.  Friend had walking pneumonia i was getting ready to travel.  Doc checked for pneumonia, covid etc nope.  But gave me a prescription in case got worse.  Never used it cleared up a couple more days.  Point is I can't imagine anyone not getting checked out and receiving a prescription if so.  Especially an athlete subject to testing, why would a doctor recommend over the counter med?

Regarding Fix I guess you could check the archives.  But I probably said something like who wouldn't grab a random bottle of unknown substance from their dad's garage fridge.  Well in all seriousness I prob would not.  However if this were an esay final exam question I'd give Fix a B for plausible BS. 

[1032004]

7 hours ago, ionel said:

These seem different to me.  I've  had two occasions worried about pneumonia.  One cracked a rib, doc said need to be concerned about it developing, never happened.  Second had something felt like in lungs ~5 days different than anything before.  Friend had walking pneumonia i was getting ready to travel.  Doc checked for pneumonia, covid etc nope.  But gave me a prescription in case got worse.  Never used it cleared up a couple more days.  Point is I can't imagine anyone not getting checked out and receiving a prescription if so.  Especially an athlete subject to testing, why would a doctor recommend over the counter med?

Regarding Fix I guess you could check the archives.  But I probably said something like who wouldn't grab a random bottle of unknown substance from their dad's garage fridge.  Well in all seriousness I prob would not.  However if this were an esay final exam question I'd give Fix a B for plausible BS. 

They’re similar in the sense that both wrestlers are making excuses for why they failed.  You only think they’re different because you find Fix’s excuse more plausible.  But giving him a “B” for plausibility is laughable IMO.  I don’t see any way Derek would have left PED’s in an unmarked water bottle in an easily accessible refrigerator, as in addition to Daton there were other children living there.

Edited yesterday at 11:24 AM by 1032004

[bnwtwg]

Did Carl piss on Carter's grave? Because he is dead to him.

[ionel]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

They’re similar in the sense that both wrestlers are making excuses for why they failed.  You only think they’re different because you find Fix’s excuse more plausible.  But giving him a “B” for plausibility is laughable IMO.  I don’t see any way Derek would have left PED’s in an unmarked water bottle in an easily accessible refrigerator, as in addition to Daton there were other children living there.

I gave him a B for well thought out BS, didn't say believable just a BS story that's plausible.  Again not related unless you think Casey left the unmarked bottle of over the counter meds in the sauna.