Penn State, Ohio State - sex abuse problems

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

If you are a kid on a scholarship, the first one from your family to go to a college, and you are entirely unfamiliar with big college environments, you may have nothing to fall back on, and causing a stink with a university professional is a great way to get kicked out, especially since most college athletes felt like they were typically persona non-grata away from their sporting environment anyway.

This dude put student athletes in a position to choose their dignity or their future, career etc.

Horrifyingly calculated behavior.

Well... I don't know why they'd be persona non-grata away from their athletic circle, but... ok. Not really the main point.

 

I said it's obviously not that simple... but I won't be able to understand. 

[wrestle87]

32 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Well... I don't know why they'd be persona non-grata away from their athletic circle, but... ok. Not really the main point.

 

I said it's obviously not that simple... but I won't be able to understand. 

In many schools there is a lot of stigma around being the dumb kids who are only there because they got in the easy way, and the athlete's only lifeline to legitimacy on campus is through their sporting endeavors.  "In exchange for being a good part of our team, we give you this education in exchange" sort of a thing.

Obviously it's not universal, but it is very common.

[RawDog]

I'm sure he got his arse beat a few times during that stretch.  No way he molested 200 people without getting his face smashed in.

[TNwrestling]

1 hour ago, RawDog said:

I'm sure he got his arse beat a few times during that stretch.  No way he molested 200 people without getting his face smashed in.

He molested close to 2800 people. He raped near 200

[Rassling2]

I wish these enquirer type stories would never make it into this forum, just my opinion.

[TNwrestling]

17 minutes ago, Rassling2 said:

I wish these enquirer type stories would never make it into this forum, just my opinion.

So you're saying none of this ever happened?

[Jim L]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/us/politics/ohio-state-wrestlers-abuse-me-too.html

This article gives a really good perspective from some of the actual wrestlers who were abused on how the "big tough wrestlers" could let this happen. 

I read it and bookmarked when the story first came out as it really help me understand the situation and by extension other victims of abuse. It is behind a paywall now, but many of their points have been echoed in this thread.

 

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, Rassling2 said:

I wish these enquirer type stories

Ignorant...

[AgaveMaria]

20 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

Everyone is always the hero of their own fantasy. 

If this is intended as a backhanded swipe at some of us, you are not credible.

Not perfect here. But, have lost a number of jobs from stepping in to stop egregious behavior. Also have awards from Law Enforcement(including FBI) for stepping in and stopping some illegal activity at times & physically dropping some in commission of crimes. When younger, probably would not do it. Later High School, University, Military - to hell with them & go for it.

WHY the chickenshiz Football QB on Paternos staff did not step into the shower and beat hell ouf of Sandusky is beyond me. He went home, thought about it & "let joe know".

Shock & surprise may be understandable, but inaction on following up after reporting rapes and such - inexcusable.  Attorneys need to get involved and go after leadership at the Universities at every level. Administration understands Dollars paid out, not much else.

As for the Catholic fiasco, watch the movie SPOTLIGHT, it is pretty accurate as to how this came to light.

 

Edited Friday at 03:59 PM by AgaveMaria

[Chigachanuk]

If you were truly familiar with the history, the QB did NOT SEE anything;  he only thought he heard things that were strange, and after some time thinking about it and the possibilities that he went to PSU football staff to report what he heard.

[Chigachanuk]

And another thing:  the QB won a multi million lawsuit against the university for scapgoating him.

[Eagle26]

1 hour ago, AgaveMaria said:

If this is intended as a backhanded swipe at some of us, you are not credible.

Not perfect here. But, have lost a number of jobs from stepping in to stop egregious behavior. Also have awards from Law Enforcement(including FBI) for stepping in and stopping some illegal activity at times & physically dropping some in commission of crimes. When younger, probably would not do it. Later High School, University, Military - to hell with them & go for it.

WHY the chickenshiz Football QB on Paternos staff did not step into the shower and beat hell ouf of Sandusky is beyond me. He went home, thought about it & "let joe know".

Shock & surprise may be understandable, but inaction on following up after reporting rapes and such - inexcusable.  Attorneys need to get involved and go after leadership at the Universities at every level. Administration understands Dollars paid out, not much else.

As for the Catholic fiasco, watch the movie SPOTLIGHT, it is pretty accurate as to how this came to light.

 

I have to agree with this. It’s hard for me to imagine that many people did not say or anything. Not trying to victim blame at all. I can’t imagine how that would affect someone and I can understand that some may have not known what to do. But if the number posted below by TN are even close to true, I would think the sheer number would dictate that there would be some who would respond by either beating the crap out of him or reporting him to the police.

4 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

He molested close to 2800 people. He raped near 200

 

[Rassling2]

6 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

So you're saying none of this ever happened?

Nah, I just prefer reading more positive things from the knowledgeable dudes that makes this forum such a great source of info. Leave the negative crap to the second and third tier rooms. 

[MPhillips]

43 minutes ago, Rassling2 said:

Nah, I just prefer reading more positive things from the knowledgeable dudes that makes this forum such a great source of info. Leave the negative crap to the second and third tier rooms. 

I sure hope the "knowledgeable" dudes show up soon and tell how to process this in a tier one way...

[152lbs]

We see the problem through the lens of adults with life experience.  The victims at Ohio State were 23 and younger and working within a lopsided power dynamic.

[pokemonster]

On 6/20/2025 at 11:58 AM, AgaveMaria said:

If this is intended as a backhanded swipe at some of us, you are not credible.

Not perfect here. But, have lost a number of jobs from stepping in to stop egregious behavior. Also have awards from Law Enforcement(including FBI) for stepping in and stopping some illegal activity at times & physically dropping some in commission of crimes. When younger, probably would not do it. Later High School, University, Military - to hell with them & go for it.

WHY the chickenshiz Football QB on Paternos staff did not step into the shower and beat hell ouf of Sandusky is beyond me. He went home, thought about it & "let joe know".

Shock & surprise may be understandable, but inaction on following up after reporting rapes and such - inexcusable.  Attorneys need to get involved and go after leadership at the Universities at every level. Administration understands Dollars paid out, not much else.

As for the Catholic fiasco, watch the movie SPOTLIGHT, it is pretty accurate as to how this came to light.

 

He also did it under the guise of medical treatment. He didn't just jack people off and get away with it. He'd gauge the victim and slowly progress to what he thought he could get away with. The dude was smart, a leading researcher in multiple fields. Got his education from Penn, University of Chicago, and Harvard. Multiple victims said as they were about to say something to him, he'd chime in with a rebuttal. He claimed he had to check their lymph nodes in their groin for infection. Had to check their testicles I'm guessing for masses. Had to get them naked to see their skeletal structure and check their gait. Told them "you're like a thoroughbred horse, we need to make sure you're running on all cylinders and check everything". A lot of them didn't realize they were getting abused until they found out that 1. What he was doing was not medical treatment or valid and 2. After the Michigan state scandal became public.

A lot of the people that complained were convinced later that is wasn't abuse. He tried to get the doctor who finally got him fired's medical license revoked. He had lawyers threaten kids who reported him. There's countless reasons. 

Unfortunately, you would've gotten kicked out of the school, arrested, and probably blacklisted from wrestling for being the macho man had you been in that situation.

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

Another SafeSport success story.

[Rassling2]

23 hours ago, MPhillips said:

I sure hope the "knowledgeable" dudes show up soon and tell how to process this in a tier one way...

From the “ignorant” lazy emoji posts you routinely present, you certainly ain’t one of them. Hey McPhillipo, perhaps your time might be better spent with family than 24/7 here.

[Husker_Du]

On 6/20/2025 at 5:30 PM, Rassling2 said:

Nah, I just prefer reading more positive things from the knowledgeable dudes that makes this forum such a great source of info. Leave the negative crap to the second and third tier rooms. 

It's certainly not a fun topic to discuss, but a necessary one.

Part of the problem in the first place is the reluctance/refusal to talk about these kinds of things

[OhioHusker]

I am a long time viewer, and a first time poster. This one is personal to me, as I live here, and know some of the people involved. Bottom line, the people who have been pushing this lawsuit are pieces of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*. Mike Disabato is a turd, and anyone who believes anything he says is an idiot. This is purely a cash grab by a garbage human being. Sadly, one of my best friends jumped in this lawsuit and I let him know how disappointed I was with him. 

I knew about all this back in the day, but Strauss was not employed by the wrestling program, he was employed by Ohio State. What the hell do you think would have happened if Hellickson had gone to the administration and said "I need you to get rid of this gay doctor". He would have been fired on the spot. Hell, he'd still be fired on the spot. Even sooner.

Strauss wasn't employed by the wrestling team, he was employed by Ohio State. Hellickson had no power to do anything. And Jordan had less. The only reason that anyone gives a damn about this are either ex OSU athletes trying to get an easy payday or liberals. I don't believe for a minute that anyone gives a damn about the athletes, they just smell blood in the water for someone they hate due to politics. 

Life is simple. Tough my balls longer than  necessary and I'll punch you in the face. 

[Fletcher]

On 6/19/2025 at 11:35 AM, The Kid said:

Im not defending the unethical and obviously immoral Dr. Strauss. The guy was a disgrace to the profession and the University. 

However, no one thinks an 18 year old is a child.  Can children vote in elections or be drafted into war? 

 

 

Legally they're adults. But there's effectively no difference in maturity between a 17 and 18 year old (or older). When you have kids that age, you'll understand.

[Fletcher]

@BobDole gives me a hernia check before every post I make on this board. Is that not how this is supposed to work?

[The Kid]

7 hours ago, Fletcher said:

Legally they're adults. But there's effectively no difference in maturity between a 17 and 18 year old (or older). When you have kids that age, you'll understand.

Trust me, I have kids.  

Is there a difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old?  

 

[Fletcher]

6 hours ago, The Kid said:

Trust me, I have kids.  

Is there a difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old?  

 

Both those ages are kids/minors, legally and otherwise. i don't think you're making the point you think you're making.

Go back to my example of a 17 vs. 18 year-old. Some 17 year-olds may have the maturity and confidence to stand up for themselves and many 18 or 19 year-olds may not. I'm comfortable calling all college students "kids".

Edited 6 hours ago by Fletcher

[TNwrestling]

6 hours ago, The Kid said:

Trust me, I have kids.  

Is there a difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old?  

 

Your frontal lobe reaches peak development age at 25 and ages 10-24 is referred to as "adolescence" in THIS article from the National Institute of Health. But by all means, if you think you know otherwise....

Edited 6 hours ago by TNwrestling