Penn State, Ohio State - sex abuse problems

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

If you are a kid on a scholarship, the first one from your family to go to a college, and you are entirely unfamiliar with big college environments, you may have nothing to fall back on, and causing a stink with a university professional is a great way to get kicked out, especially since most college athletes felt like they were typically persona non-grata away from their sporting environment anyway.

This dude put student athletes in a position to choose their dignity or their future, career etc.

Horrifyingly calculated behavior.

Well... I don't know why they'd be persona non-grata away from their athletic circle, but... ok. Not really the main point.

 

I said it's obviously not that simple... but I won't be able to understand. 

[wrestle87]

32 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Well... I don't know why they'd be persona non-grata away from their athletic circle, but... ok. Not really the main point.

 

I said it's obviously not that simple... but I won't be able to understand. 

In many schools there is a lot of stigma around being the dumb kids who are only there because they got in the easy way, and the athlete's only lifeline to legitimacy on campus is through their sporting endeavors.  "In exchange for being a good part of our team, we give you this education in exchange" sort of a thing.

Obviously it's not universal, but it is very common.

[RawDog]

I'm sure he got his arse beat a few times during that stretch.  No way he molested 200 people without getting his face smashed in.

[TNwrestling]

1 hour ago, RawDog said:

I'm sure he got his arse beat a few times during that stretch.  No way he molested 200 people without getting his face smashed in.

He molested close to 2800 people. He raped near 200

[Rassling2]

I wish these enquirer type stories would never make it into this forum, just my opinion.

[TNwrestling]

17 minutes ago, Rassling2 said:

I wish these enquirer type stories would never make it into this forum, just my opinion.

So you're saying none of this ever happened?

[Jim L]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/us/politics/ohio-state-wrestlers-abuse-me-too.html

This article gives a really good perspective from some of the actual wrestlers who were abused on how the "big tough wrestlers" could let this happen. 

I read it and bookmarked when the story first came out as it really help me understand the situation and by extension other victims of abuse. It is behind a paywall now, but many of their points have been echoed in this thread.

 

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, Rassling2 said:

I wish these enquirer type stories

Ignorant...

[AgaveMaria]

20 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

Everyone is always the hero of their own fantasy. 

If this is intended as a backhanded swipe at some of us, you are not credible.

Not perfect here. But, have lost a number of jobs from stepping in to stop egregious behavior. Also have awards from Law Enforcement(including FBI) for stepping in and stopping some illegal activity at times & physically dropping some in commission of crimes. When younger, probably would not do it. Later High School, University, Military - to hell with them & go for it.

WHY the chickenshiz Football QB on Paternos staff did not step into the shower and beat hell ouf of Sandusky is beyond me. He went home, thought about it & "let joe know".

Shock & surprise may be understandable, but inaction on following up after reporting rapes and such - inexcusable.  Attorneys need to get involved and go after leadership at the Universities at every level. Administration understands Dollars paid out, not much else.

As for the Catholic fiasco, watch the movie SPOTLIGHT, it is pretty accurate as to how this came to light.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:59 PM by AgaveMaria

[Chigachanuk]

If you were truly familiar with the history, the QB did NOT SEE anything;  he only thought he heard things that were strange, and after some time thinking about it and the possibilities that he went to PSU football staff to report what he heard.

[Chigachanuk]

And another thing:  the QB won a multi million lawsuit against the university for scapgoating him.

[Eagle26]

1 hour ago, AgaveMaria said:

If this is intended as a backhanded swipe at some of us, you are not credible.

Not perfect here. But, have lost a number of jobs from stepping in to stop egregious behavior. Also have awards from Law Enforcement(including FBI) for stepping in and stopping some illegal activity at times & physically dropping some in commission of crimes. When younger, probably would not do it. Later High School, University, Military - to hell with them & go for it.

WHY the chickenshiz Football QB on Paternos staff did not step into the shower and beat hell ouf of Sandusky is beyond me. He went home, thought about it & "let joe know".

Shock & surprise may be understandable, but inaction on following up after reporting rapes and such - inexcusable.  Attorneys need to get involved and go after leadership at the Universities at every level. Administration understands Dollars paid out, not much else.

As for the Catholic fiasco, watch the movie SPOTLIGHT, it is pretty accurate as to how this came to light.

 

I have to agree with this. It’s hard for me to imagine that many people did not say or anything. Not trying to victim blame at all. I can’t imagine how that would affect someone and I can understand that some may have not known what to do. But if the number posted below by TN are even close to true, I would think the sheer number would dictate that there would be some who would respond by either beating the crap out of him or reporting him to the police.

4 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

He molested close to 2800 people. He raped near 200

 

[Rassling2]

6 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

So you're saying none of this ever happened?

Nah, I just prefer reading more positive things from the knowledgeable dudes that makes this forum such a great source of info. Leave the negative crap to the second and third tier rooms. 

[MPhillips]

43 minutes ago, Rassling2 said:

Nah, I just prefer reading more positive things from the knowledgeable dudes that makes this forum such a great source of info. Leave the negative crap to the second and third tier rooms. 

I sure hope the "knowledgeable" dudes show up soon and tell how to process this in a tier one way...

[152lbs]

We see the problem through the lens of adults with life experience.  The victims at Ohio State were 23 and younger and working within a lopsided power dynamic.