Le duke Posted June 8 Posted June 8 Not sure what this has to do with Caveira's point. You don't need to be able to turn on top to win a National title. How many career nearfall points/pins did Kyle Snyder have?He said a 5x NCAA champ had no turns. That’s easily determined to be wrong by anyone who cares to fact check. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
Caveira Posted June 8 Posted June 8 12 minutes ago, Le duke said: Going through the brackets, Carter had more NF points than the champs at 125, 133 and 141 combined. Adding in 149, they tied, but the 149 champ got turned in round 1. Carter had more points, net and overall, from turns than the 125, 133, 141 and 149 champs combined. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Not on avg over 5 years he didn’t.
Hammerlock3 Posted June 8 Posted June 8 2 hours ago, Caveira said: Would love to have the data to answer this. But common. Directionally accurate lie here …. At the ncaa tourney there are 0 NF points in the hwt bracket. Saying ford pinto is poor technically and has “no turns” or whatever he said is nonsense. There are some 5x ncaa champs with no turns too…. I'm sort of stuck on that myself....he is almost impossible to takedown, and is as close to a lock for an escape and riding time point as it gets, and he doesn't get tired....he might be the soundest wrestler in the NCAA. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
BruceyB Posted June 8 Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Le duke said: He said a 5x NCAA champ had no turns. That’s easily determined to be wrong by anyone who cares to fact check. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I apologize. I must have missed where he said that. Regardless, the original point of criticizing Ferrari's ability to turn really holds no water when it comes to the ability to win a national title. Gable Steveson and Kyle Snyder had as little top game as anyone. They did okay. And they couldn't ride nearly as well as AJ.
BruceyB Posted June 8 Posted June 8 3 hours ago, Caveira said: Would love to have the data to answer this. But common. Directionally accurate lie here …. At the ncaa tourney there are 0 NF points in the hwt bracket. Saying ford pinto is poor technically and has “no turns” or whatever he said is nonsense. There are some 5x ncaa champs with no turns too…. In what bracket did we not have turns at HWT? Are we ignoring falls because there wasn't "nearfall" given?
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 8 Posted June 8 14 minutes ago, BruceyB said: In what bracket did we not have turns at HWT? Are we ignoring falls because there wasn't "nearfall" given? It is like Hendrickson never happened 1 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted June 8 Posted June 8 1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said: It is like Hendrickson never happened Are you talking about Wyfall Pindrickson ? 1 1 .
D3 for LU Posted June 8 Posted June 8 4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: It is like Hendrickson never happened D3 Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Caveira Posted June 8 Posted June 8 1 hour ago, BruceyB said: In what bracket did we not have turns at HWT? Are we ignoring falls because there wasn't "nearfall" given? Directionally accurate lie. That’s what I believed I called it. I’m not suggesting turns don’t occur. I’m suggesting turns are not nearly as relevant at hwt vs lighter weights.
scourge165 Posted June 8 Posted June 8 3 hours ago, Le duke said: Going through the brackets, Carter had more NF points than the champs at 125, 133 and 141 combined. Adding in 149, they tied, but the 149 champ got turned in round 1. Carter had more points, net and overall, from turns than the 125, 133, 141 and 149 champs combined. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'm just curious how obsessed with Starocci and his...apparent lack of Wrestling ability he can be. He started numerous threads about 'Cstal' because he wanted to make sure a 5X National Champ wouldn't "pre-emptively" end up on the...Mr Rushmore of Wrestling. He's been talking about him for the last couple years and now he's still randomly bringing him up when the topic has nothing to do with him. You'd think with all the 4X Champs Iowa has, he'd worry about the....oh... ok, now I'm seeing it...
Hammerlock3 Posted June 8 Posted June 8 If Ferrari goes HWY his HGH gut is going to be outrageous. He's gonna need a singlet cut for a pregnant woman. 1 2 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted June 9 Posted June 9 4 hours ago, Le duke said: I’m a PSU fan and I’d love to dunk on Ferrari but he’s a very technically sound wrestler. Incredibly hard to score on and wrestles his own match. He will also be bigger than Mirasola. Mirasola will have a difficult time cracking that egg. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You're a PSU fan?
ionel Posted June 9 Posted June 9 38 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: If Ferrari goes HWY his HGH gut is going to be outrageous. He's gonna need a singlet cut for a pregnant woman. Ferrari may have to cut weight to wrestle hwt. 295 baby!!! 1 1 .
Le duke Posted June 9 Posted June 9 You're a PSU fan?“One of many paid haters.” -Tom Brands, probably.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
BruceyB Posted June 9 Posted June 9 2 hours ago, Caveira said: Directionally accurate lie. That’s what I believed I called it. I’m not suggesting turns don’t occur. I’m suggesting turns are not nearly as relevant at hwt vs lighter weights. I don't have a way of looking it up, but I'd imagine more falls happen at HWT vs any other across D1 wrestling. 1 1
Le duke Posted June 9 Posted June 9 I don't have a way of looking it up, but I'd imagine more falls happen at HWT vs any other across D1 wrestling.I believe WKN posted something along those lines a while back.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hammerlock3 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BruceyB said: I don't have a way of looking it up, but I'd imagine more falls happen at HWT vs any other across D1 wrestling. i'm not checkin either, but I disagree. I understand why that could be assumed, something like "control is more absolute, therefore more riding and more pins" but so much less actual wrestling happens. Edited June 9 by Hammerlock3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
BruceyB Posted June 9 Posted June 9 3 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: i'm not checkin either, but I disagree. I understand why that could be assumed, something like "control is more absolute, therefore more riding and more pins" but so much less actual wrestling happens. Sure, maybe if you're talking about match-ups between top 10-15 guys. But I'd imagine the top 10-15 guys are pinning just about every unranked heavyweight in D1 wrestling.
Hammerlock3 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 4 minutes ago, BruceyB said: Sure, maybe if you're talking about match-ups between top 10-15 guys. But I'd imagine the top 10-15 guys are pinning just about every unranked heavyweight in D1 wrestling. yeah maybe, i don't think so though...on the other hand those dudes don't get off their backs....I'm not sold on the theory yet but nothing would surprise me. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Le duke Posted June 9 Posted June 9 yeah maybe, i don't think so though...on the other hand those dudes don't get off their backs....I'm not sold on the theory yet but nothing would surprise me. Some of them big boys get really, really tired.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hammerlock3 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 29 minutes ago, Le duke said: Some of them big boys get really, really tired. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk i think I disagree fairly strong on that point. They don't so anything and they don't cut weight. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
MPhillips Posted June 9 Posted June 9 52 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: They don't so anything and they don't cut weight. I might agree so if I don't I might... 1 .
Hammerlock3 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 57 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: i think I disagree fairly strong on that point. They don't so anything and they don't cut weight. they don't do anything "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
ionel Posted June 9 Posted June 9 37 minutes ago, MPhillips said: I might agree so if I don't I might... so ... .
UncleDon89 Posted June 9 Posted June 9 On 6/7/2025 at 6:29 PM, feet2back said: I think he would have gotten beaten by the top 3 last year, but who beats him this year? Looking forward to his matches against Feldman and Catka Braxton Amos
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