Penn State 2025-2026 lineup (updated)

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Have a hard time believing he won't be able to against most, if not all people.

But Byrd and Crookham? 

[Winners Circle]

23 minutes ago, ionel said:

But Byrd and Crookham? 

He can take both down twice in 3 minutes. I have no doubts about that. 3 times would be pushing it imo. 

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

Ono vs Crookham is a very interesting matchup. Ono can get to his legs but I wonder if he can finish. A lot of those positions where guys get takedowns in free are a results of guys fighting in off the edge. Crookham will care less if Ono gets to his leg and pushes him out.

until he gets warned and then gives up stall points. 

[scourge165]

On 5/21/2025 at 6:57 AM, Gene Mills Fan said:

college Freshman get ridden mostly because they are 18 year olds wrestling 21-22 yr olds not because they don't have folkstyle experience. Ono is not freshman. On top his gut or trap arm are enough or he just cuts everyone all season long and goes neutral to score a zillion points

They get ridden because they're not used to that level of Wrestling... but at least they have SOME exposure to it.

They don't get ridden just because someone is 4 years older. 

As for his gut...yeah, that's gonna be a bit of a problem in Folkstyle for pretty obvious reasons. He's also Wrestling people who aren't trying to get away in Freestyle. So that's an enormous difference. 

[scourge165]

22 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

He beat Vito 10-6 and 8-4 and both matches were 1 point until the 3rd period when he got a match sealing takedown. I wouldn't call that "soundly". He also was beat by Vito 13-3, who Ono teched in just over 4 minutes. Yes, I know free is different than folk. But I'm must playing devil's advocate. 

I call a Freshmen finishing each match with a TD over a defending Champ...both NCAA and World....to be soundly beating him. 

And he gave up the 1st TD. So Crookham came from down 3-1 and won 10-5. That's...really controlling most of that match.

I also never said Vito didn't end up winning it, I pointed out that as a Freshmen...Crookham beat Vito twice. That's it.  

 

[Gene Mills Fan]

8 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

They get ridden because they're not used to that level of Wrestling... but at least they have SOME exposure to it.

They don't get ridden just because someone is 4 years older. 

As for his gut...yeah, that's gonna be a bit of a problem in Folkstyle for pretty obvious reasons. He's also Wrestling people who aren't trying to get away in Freestyle. So that's an enormous difference. 

By 3-4 yrs older I meant NCAA experience and level of wrestling or physicality. He's experienced both.

I would put a small amount money down that he does not give up a riding point all year if you would like to wager. Maybe a Nagau or McCrone type but I'll risk it, and go with his power and quickness.  

[scourge165]

Just now, Gene Mills Fan said:

By 3-4 yrs older I meant NCAA experience and level of wrestling or physicality. He's experienced both.

1-No, he doesn't. He's experienced zero NCAA Wrestling yet. In fact, has he EVER Wrestled ANY Folkstyle match?

It's kinda amazing you think these kids coming out of HS are struggling because of the Physical Maturity rather than the adjustment to a different level of Wrestling, but you think it's going to be EASIER for a guy who has NEVER done it to be able to get out on bottom?

Marcus Blaze, Jax Forrest-Not as physical, 3-4 years younger than the guys they'll be Wrestling.

I promise they'll have less trouble on bottom than a guy who has never done it before. 

 

5 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I would put a small amount money down that he does not give up a riding point all year if you would like to wager. Maybe a Nagau or McCrone type but I'll risk it, and go with his power and quickness.  

....no. Because I don't think he'll TAKE the bottom position. If you want to account for that, then absolutely I'd bet you. 

He takes bottom vs Crookham, he's wearing a saddle. Though I assume he won't be stupid enough to. 

[Gene Mills Fan]

9 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

1-No, he doesn't. He's experienced zero NCAA Wrestling yet. In fact, has he EVER Wrestled ANY Folkstyle match?

It's kinda amazing you think these kids coming out of HS are struggling because of the Physical Maturity rather than the adjustment to a different level of Wrestling, but you think it's going to be EASIER for a guy who has NEVER done it to be able to get out on bottom?

Marcus Blaze, Jax Forrest-Not as physical, 3-4 years younger than the guys they'll be Wrestling.

I promise they'll have less trouble on bottom than a guy who has never done it before. 

 

....no. Because I don't think he'll TAKE the bottom position. If you want to account for that, then absolutely I'd bet you. 

He takes bottom vs Crookham, he's wearing a saddle. Though I assume he won't be stupid enough to. 

if hes going to have a problem bet. Send me a message before the Lehigh dual!

[scourge165]

15 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

if hes going to have a problem bet. Send me a message before the Lehigh dual!

Ok, lets come up with the criteria?

If he gives up a RT point this year WHILE TAKING DOWN, you lose. If he takes down and doesn't give up RT, I lose. 

 

Sure...we have a deal. 20, 50 bucks?

[bnwtwg]

44 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Ok, lets come up with the criteria?

If he gives up a RT point this year WHILE TAKING DOWN, you lose. If he takes down and doesn't give up RT, I lose. 

 

Sure...we have a deal. 20, 50 bucks?

Cinnabux. Grow a pair and drop the stipulations

[scourge165]

10 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Cinnabux. Grow a pair and drop the stipulations

That was AWLAYS the stipulation. 

 

17 hours ago, scourge165 said:

....no. Because I don't think he'll TAKE the bottom position. If you want to account for that, then absolutely I'd bet you. 

He takes bottom vs Crookham, he's wearing a saddle. Though I assume he won't be stupid enough to. 

Follow along.

 

this was a two-prong debate. 

1-He's arguing it's the physicality of a 22 year old vs that of an 18 year old that makes the difference, ergo, Ono won't have a problem. Not the development, not the technique, just the difference in age.

2-I've NEVER changed my position with regard to Ono...and it's so basic, I'm not sure how it's even up for debate. He's going to be fine on his feet...but Mat Wrestling is going to be an issue. 

I DON'T believe it's about age, I think Blaze, Forrest and Lillendahl could get out and Wrestle on the mat a helluva lot better than Ono. That's not a slight...he's Wrestled a different style his entire career. 

 

So one person is arguing Ono won't have a problem getting out due to...his age and physical maturity, the other is arguing he will because it's something he's NEVER had to do and now he's Wrestling the best in the world at it.

I'd also point out, the same person said he'd be fine on top because of his Gut Wrench...which again, is objectively absurd for obvious reasons. The primary being...it's not legal in this style. The other being, you don't have a guy just laying on the mat, you have someone actually moving and trying to come up and you have to develop a series of moves on top, not just a gut.

 

 

[Gene Mills Fan]

6 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Ok, lets come up with the criteria?

If he gives up a RT point this year WHILE TAKING DOWN, you lose. If he takes down and doesn't give up RT, I lose. 

 

Sure...we have a deal. 20, 50 bucks?

A little confusing: are you saying the one period counts and only when he chooses down? Thats great! I'm in.  but its impossible to track because his riding time after TD subtracts and I'm not discounting that. RT point.  Someone has to earn a RT point on him in a match is the bet.

Edited yesterday at 11:27 AM by Gene Mills Fan

[nhs67]

8 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Ok, lets come up with the criteria?

If he gives up a RT point this year WHILE TAKING DOWN, you lose. If he takes down and doesn't give up RT, I lose. 

 

Sure...we have a deal. 20, 50 bucks?

This seems like an unfair bet, and you know it.

Josh Barr the NCAA runner-up at 197lbs this year gave up a riding time point.

If he bets $20, you should be putting $200 on the line.

[Gene Mills Fan]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

That was AWLAYS the stipulation. 

 

Follow along.

 

this was a two-prong debate. 

1-He's arguing it's the physicality of a 22 year old vs that of an 18 year old that makes the difference, ergo, Ono won't have a problem. Because of his development, technique, and physical speed and power and PSU room experience.

2-I've NEVER changed my position with regard to Ono...and it's so basic, I'm not sure how it's even up for debate. He's going to be fine on his feet...but Mat Wrestling is going to be an issue; thats why Cael said he can wrestle any weight he wants. 

I DON'T believe it's about age, I think Blaze, Forrest and Lillendahl could get out and Wrestle on the mat a helluva lot better than Ono. That's not a slight...he's Wrestled a different style his entire career. WHO cares what Blaze and Jax and Luke can do. Ono already beat one of them.

 

So one person is arguing Ono won't have a problem getting out due to...his wrestling development, technique, physical speed, the other is arguing he will because it's something he's NEVER had to do and now he's Wrestling the best in the world at it.

I'd also point out, the same person said he'd be fine on top because of his Gut Wrench...which again, is objectively absurd for obvious reasons. The primary being...it's not legal in this style. The other being, you don't have a guy just laying on the mat, you have someone actually moving and trying to come up and you have to develop a series of moves on top, not just a gut. Why do you think they lay on their belly in Par terre. He'll get tons of back points!   We are talking RT goal post changer. 

 

20$   doesn't give up a RT point.

 

[BruceyB]

4 hours ago, nhs67 said:

This seems like an unfair bet, and you know it.

Josh Barr the NCAA runner-up at 197lbs this year gave up a riding time point.

If he bets $20, you should be putting $200 on the line.

Gene Mills is the one that proposed the bet. It was his idea.  Let the man do his thing.

[BruceyB]

On 5/20/2025 at 5:58 PM, scourge165 said:

4 years in the State of Ohio and he was never taken down?

Can someone verify this for me? So he didn't win the Ironman 4X, he's lost. Did he lose on ride outs or what? I get not getting taken down your last two years or whatever, especially if you're a stud, but all 4 years? 

He didn't give up a takedown in the high school season. I went back and looked, he lost to Deluca on a fleeing the mat call (he probably would have been taken down if he didn't lunge off the mat). And he lost in ultimate tie-breaker OT to Davino. So no TDs in either loss. But man, I have to say it. Marcus Blaze is one boring SOB in folkstyle. We're really in store for Bartlett 2.0

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, nhs67 said:

This seems like an unfair bet, and you know it.

Josh Barr the NCAA runner-up at 197lbs this year gave up a riding time point.

If he bets $20, you should be putting $200 on the line.

 

LOL...no. I didn't bring this up or start with this nonsense.

This started with him arguing Ono won't get ridden and the only reason kids get ridden or have trouble wrestling on the mat is because they're not physical enough...but Ono is, so it won't be a problem. 

I don't agree(and it seems really basic IMO). 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

Gene Mills is the one that proposed the bet. It was his idea.  Let the man do his thing.

LOL...Thank You! Now we have other people bringing in odds! 

 

8 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

A little confusing: are you saying the one period counts and only when he chooses down? Thats great! I'm in.  but its impossible to track because his riding time after TD subtracts and I'm not discounting that. RT point.  Someone has to earn a RT point on him in a match is the bet.

No, I'm saying it's not a bet if he chooses neutral(how is this confusing). That'd undermine your whole point. If it's so easy for him to get out because he's 21 years old...which is just a weird take, then he'll go down. That's it. It's simple.  You wanting to make it one period is...really stupid...for you(also kinda confusing HOW that would work) Now you're eliminating the RT he will get from taking guys down? Yeah, I really have no idea how you would even make it one period?  

 

It's a simple premise. I don't think he's going to choose down vs tough riders. There's enough he's already got to pick up in short order.  I think he's going to do the SMART thing and try and Wrestle on his feet. You can just watch Bastida or other guys who came over and hadn't Wrestled Folkstyle. It's not the age of physicality, it's...HAVING NEVER DONE IT....which, again, how is this even being debated? If it was the physicality, then you'd see kids having the same or more of an issue with hand fighting.

It's about a mindset that's different in College, it's about stringing moves together, it's about not being able to use junk to be able to get out. It's a mental exercise as much or more than it is physical...and I think it's silly to think he's just not going to have any problem with that. 

 

[nhs67]

20 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

 

LOL...no. I didn't bring this up or start with this nonsense.

This started with him arguing Ono won't get ridden and the only reason kids get ridden or have trouble wrestling on the mat is because they're not physical enough...but Ono is, so it won't be a problem. 

I don't agree(and it seems really basic IMO). 

I know, but a straight up bet is nonsense.  You know that.

[nhs67]

2 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Gene Mills is the one that proposed the bet. It was his idea.  Let the man do his thing.

I know.  The guy is clearly clueless.  Can't stand by and watch it unfold like that.

[scourge165]

7 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I know.  The guy is clearly clueless.  Can't stand by and watch it unfold like that.

So tell Gene that! I didn't want to make this about money. 

It was a simple disagreement that is pretty basic, but if he wants to put money on the line that Ono is not going to get ridden because he's...21, then so be it. 

[flyingcement]

if I was forced to guess, I think that the total amount of time Ono gets ridden for the full year is about seven minutes in aggregate - with riding time given up twice - to someone like Crookham, Byrd, Romney or Frost (even Braxton Brown has a shot)

Edited 20 hours ago by flyingcement

[scourge165]

6 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

if I was forced to guess, I think that the total amount of time Ono gets ridden for the full year is about seven minutes in aggregate - with riding time given up twice - to someone like Crookham, Byrd, Romney or Frost (even Braxton Brown has a shot)

Ok...then I win. 

I don't expect him to Wrestle a whole bunch of matches. I'd expect he'd only take down earlier in the season...if even then.

I don't expect a 5-10 Wrestler in Rd 1 of the Black Knight to necessarily ride him, but vs the better Wrestlers, I think IF he goes down...he will. That's it. 

[Gene Mills Fan]

11 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

So tell Gene that! I didn't want to make this about money. 

It was a simple disagreement that is pretty basic, but if he wants to put money on the line that Ono is not going to get ridden because he's...21, then so be it. 

OK I pay when needed if the guys actually do it. I'm a sucker for a gold medalist. 

[flyingcement]

5 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

OK I pay when needed if the guys actually do it. I'm a sucker for a gold medalist. 

there's a certain topical joke that I will decline to mention