Jimmy Cinnabon Posted April 28 Posted April 28 Iowa fans have long clamored for a pushout rule in folkstyle. Well in Mocco vs Mirasola the wrestler who scored all the takedowns lost and the wrestler who won scored all his points on pushouts. Putting aside that the Iowa recruit lost, did Iowa fans enjoy seeing a match decided by who was better at pushouts? 2 1
Caveira Posted April 28 Posted April 28 34 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Iowa fans have long clamored for a pushout rule in folkstyle. Well in Mocco vs Mirasola the wrestler who scored all the takedowns lost and the wrestler who won scored all his points on pushouts. Putting aside that the Iowa recruit lost, did Iowa fans enjoy seeing a match decided by who was better at pushouts? Push outs suck. I think Mendez won by a lot of push outs in one of his matches. 3
alex1fly Posted April 28 Posted April 28 (edited) Tariffs may change, but JC stays the same. Glad to have him as an anchor during these uncertain times. Edited April 28 by alex1fly 2
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 28 Posted April 28 7 step outs is wild. Not sure I have ever seen that. And 2 in the last 12 seconds when he had the lead. Mr. Mocco needs a little work on freestyle tactics. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
okokzach Posted April 28 Posted April 28 Iowa fans should be stoked. Mocco, a junior in high school, got 3 takedowns to 0 against Penn State's starting heavyweight. If Kueter is healthy for the next three years, and then Mocco taking over, they are set for the foreseeable future at heavyweight. Whether Hawkeye fans want a push out in folk or not, there isn't one, so you favor the guy getting all the takedowns. Plus, I don't believe they really want that rule change. I mean do you really think Hawk fans want to start yelling "passivity!" 500 times per match? 1 1 2 1
Caveira Posted April 28 Posted April 28 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: 7 step outs is wild. Not sure I have ever seen that. And 2 in the last 12 seconds when he had the lead. Mr. Mocco needs a little work on freestyle tactics. Hope he knows diff between par terre and referees position before he graduates. One can hope.
BAC Posted April 28 Posted April 28 What does Michael Mocco weigh? Honestly he looks more to me like a 197lber/97kg'er than a HWT. He doesn't have papa Mocco's build at all. Reminds me more of Snyder. Kid has great technique but unless he has a growth sport, he looks like he's always going to be a bit undersized against the big boys.
nhs67 Posted April 28 Posted April 28 12 minutes ago, BAC said: What does Michael Mocco weigh? Honestly he looks more to me like a 197lber/97kg'er than a HWT. He doesn't have papa Mocco's build at all. Reminds me more of Snyder. Kid has great technique but unless he has a growth sport, he looks like he's always going to be a bit undersized against the big boys. Mocco -> 105.2 KG (~231.9lbs) Mirasola -> 99.2 KG (~218.7lbs) 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
1032004 Posted April 29 Posted April 29 5 hours ago, okokzach said: Iowa fans should be stoked. Mocco, a junior in high school, got 3 takedowns to 0 against Penn State's starting heavyweight. If Kueter is healthy for the next three years, and then Mocco taking over, they are set for the foreseeable future at heavyweight. Whether Hawkeye fans want a push out in folk or not, there isn't one, so you favor the guy getting all the takedowns. Plus, I don't believe they really want that rule change. I mean do you really think Hawk fans want to start yelling "passivity!" 500 times per match? Feldman was at the US Open right? Maybe he got recruited and thus Mocco didn’t just wrestle their starting heavyweight
Fletcher Posted April 29 Posted April 29 5 hours ago, okokzach said: Whether Hawkeye fans want a push out in folk or not, there isn't one, so you favor the guy getting all the takedowns. Plus, I don't believe they really want that rule change. I mean do you really think Hawk fans want to start yelling "passivity!" 500 times per match? Except there basically is a push-out rule. Refs call it stalling at least every other pushout, if not every pushout. Those stalling points add up.
Dark Energy Posted April 29 Posted April 29 24 minutes ago, Fletcher said: Except there basically is a push-out rule. Refs call it stalling at least every other pushout, if not every pushout. Those stalling points add up. Since when do they call it that often? I would be pleased. More like 1 out of 10 it seems.
Dark Energy Posted April 29 Posted April 29 If I was an Iowa fan, I’d be damn happy with that TD differential.
okokzach Posted April 29 Posted April 29 4 minutes ago, Dark Energy said: Since when do they call it that often? I would be pleased. More like 1 out of 10 it seems. More stalling should be called for sure, but not (IMO) for driving a guy out of bounds. If you're not shooting for takedowns, you don't deserve to benefit from stall points. 1
Caveira Posted April 29 Posted April 29 8 minutes ago, okokzach said: More stalling should be called for sure, but not (IMO) for driving a guy out of bounds. If you're not shooting for takedowns, you don't deserve to benefit from stall points. Push outs were supposed to solve stalling and edge wrestling. Did they not?
BAC Posted April 29 Posted April 29 5 hours ago, nhs67 said: Mocco -> 105.2 KG (~231.9lbs) Mirasola -> 99.2 KG (~218.7lbs) LOL I'm an idiot Why did Mirasola look so much bigger to me?
de4856 Posted April 29 Posted April 29 13 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Iowa fans have long clamored for a pushout rule in folkstyle. Well in Mocco vs Mirasola the wrestler who scored all the takedowns lost and the wrestler who won scored all his points on pushouts. Putting aside that the Iowa recruit lost, did Iowa fans enjoy seeing a match decided by who was better at pushouts? Well Push outs are apart of the Freestyle and Greco rules. So it is what it is. Honestly though, I am a fan of the rule and I would like to see it incorporated into Folkstyle. But irregardless I thought it was a great match and I think that Mocco gave Mirasola everything he could handle.
Caveira Posted April 29 Posted April 29 1 minute ago, de4856 said: Well Push outs are apart of the Freestyle and Greco rules. So it is what it is. Honestly though, I am a fan of the rule and I would like to see it incorporated into Folkstyle. But irregardless I thought it was a great match and I think that Mocco gave Mirasola everything he could handle. Real take downs > push outs. Every time.
de4856 Posted April 29 Posted April 29 12 minutes ago, Caveira said: Real take downs > push outs. Every time. Yes, and I don’t think anyone would disagree, but it’s part of the rules. And in this particular case, the amount of push outs won.
Caveira Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Just now, de4856 said: Yes, and I don’t think anyone would disagree, but it’s part of the rules. And in this particular case, the amount of push outs won. I don’t disagree/argue the push out guy won the match. I think the rules are just stupid. So fair. But. Please don’t pollute folkstyle with this nonsense. Could you imagine a push out rule at NCAAs with those tiny little mats given how small the venues are. 1 1
ionel Posted April 29 Posted April 29 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Caveira said: Could you imagine a push out rule at NCAAs with those tiny little mats given how small the venues are. I propose we try this at a single tournament next year and Soldier Salute seems appropriate. Slight modification in rules: pushout 2pt, takedown 1pt, leglace -1pt. It should be exiting! Edited April 29 by ionel .
Caveira Posted April 29 Posted April 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ionel said: I propose we try this at a single tournament next year and Soldier Salute seems appropriate. Slight modification in rules: pushout 2pt, takedown 1pt, leglace -1pt. It should be exiting! Freestyle isn’t as exciting unfortunately. Used to be years ago…. Pre ball grab and the other rules. Not so much any more. Edited April 29 by Caveira 1
de4856 Posted April 29 Posted April 29 4 minutes ago, Caveira said: I don’t disagree/argue the push out guy won the match. I think the rules are just stupid. So fair. But. Please don’t pollute folkstyle with this nonsense. Could you imagine a push out rule at NCAAs with those tiny little mats given how small the venues are. Well I am of a different opinion, I think that adding the push out rule would add another layer to Folkstyle. I like the current Freestyle rules, the pace is far quicker and I believe the fans like it. But I recognize that Folkstyle is different and the size of a particular mat may be an issue, so unless the NCAA’s adopt this rule, this is purely argumentative. 1
Coastal Posted April 29 Posted April 29 9 hours ago, Dark Energy said: If I was an Iowa fan, I’d be damn happy with that TD differential. I realize they are used to it, but do you really think Iowa fans should be "damn happy" with losing? 1
nhs67 Posted April 29 Posted April 29 10 hours ago, Caveira said: Real take downs > push outs. Every time. Your statement is incorrect. Five push-outs will always score more points than two takedowns in MFS under the current rules, mathematically speaking. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
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