Meyer Shapiro Steroids Accusation

[wrestle87]

Just now, PortaJohn said:

Idk wrestle87.  I was curious to what you guys were talking about and watched.  He let go prior to whistle knowing it was potentially dangerous.  Are you more pointing out the post match antics?  Have only heard great things about Shapiro as a person. He's been a great ambassador for out sport at the international level

I would love to be very very wrong about him.  If we're being completely objective, the trends just don't support it.

If you watch the matcast, he walks up to the other coaches and says "I did that (tried to rip his arm off) because he fishhooked me during the match."

99% of the college wrestlers I ever met and competed with, myself included, went their entire athletic lives without ever getting into anything other than a series of handshakes after a match regardless of the result.  How many wrestlers have you met who start flinging excuses the first thing after a loss?  It's rare, a bad look, and typically a rather revealing look into the individual.

If you take one of these things alone, I'm 100% on board "yeah, it happens, just leave it be".

Gets into it with an opponent he's clearly dominated the whole match AND comes up with excuses as part of an interview after his 2nd consecutive loss?

That just smacks of a sore loser.

Again, I hope he's healthy, stays healthy and never has any health issues and can finish out his career because he is a massively entertaining wrestler.  He is also still a young man who should be given leeway on his road to maturity.

That said, when someone is still growing and behaves poorly, they need to be called out on their antics.

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

I would love to be very very wrong about him.  If we're being completely objective, the trends just don't support it.

If you watch the matcast, he walks up to the other coaches and says "I did that (tried to rip his arm off) because he fishhooked me during the match."

99% of the college wrestlers I ever met and competed with, myself included, went their entire athletic lives without ever getting into anything other than a series of handshakes after a match regardless of the result.  How many wrestlers have you met who start flinging excuses the first thing after a loss?  It's rare, a bad look, and typically a rather revealing look into the individual.

If you take one of these things alone, I'm 100% on board "yeah, it happens, just leave it be".

Gets into it with an opponent he's clearly dominated the whole match AND comes up with excuses as part of an interview after his 2nd consecutive loss?

That just smacks of a sore loser.

Again, I hope he's healthy, stays healthy and never has any health issues and can finish out his career because he is a massively entertaining wrestler.  He is also still a young man who should be given leeway on his road to maturity.

That said, when someone is still growing and behaves poorly, they need to be called out on their antics.

I hear ya.  I highlighted in bold and am in total agreement with you on your last two points.

[NormMacDonald]

9 hours ago, Boring said:

 

If its already small does it still shrink it orrrrrr?

[Boring]

22 minutes ago, NormMacDonald said:

If its already small does it still shrink it orrrrrr?

I hear if it shrinks enough you can compete in lady sports. 

[NormMacDonald]

1 hour ago, Boring said:

I hear if it shrinks enough you can compete in lady sports. 

Boys, I'm a half inch or so away from a gold medal

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 hours ago, flyingcement said:

I don't think he's 21 yet.  maybe he's 20?  regardless.  I was still growing at that point.  and that's not unusual.  You don't need to be naive, but have some class.  No one required you to make a baseless accusation against a kid

His UWW profile says 20.  That means he turned/turns 20 at some point in 2025.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 hours ago, pokemonster said:

For all you PSU people crying foul about how low it was of Shapiro and he's a hater, your boy Bo Nickal went on the biggest podcast in the world (JRE) and said the reason he lost to the Iranian is cuz the guy was juiced to the gills. Said it was obvious. What evidence did he have other than he felt his strength and looked at him?

Same thing here. And it's obvious our wrestlers are using too, if we can go head to head with nations that are obviously doping like Russia. To believe our guys can compete with roid raging Russians just cuz we like our steaks is naive and asinine. Lemme get some of Mr Kasak's home grown beef, doubt it drastically changes my hormone profiles like it did for Kasak and Barr.

Because he was caught doping and suspended?

[jross]

12 hours ago, Fletcher said:

These guys are not 17 year-old college kids. These are kids who have been held back, taken RS yrs. - they're adding lbs. in their 20s. I wish I had your level of naivete.

Adding pounds in their 20s is not hard to do.

[Le duke]

14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

His UWW profile says 20.  That means he turned/turns 20 at some point in 2025.

He competed at U17 Worlds in 2022. So he's still U20 eligible this year. 

 

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 hours ago, Caveira said:

It is not.  Why does the ncaa not test though?   

Finalists are tested.  You see them escorted off after interviews.  I had a friend who was tested right after losing a controversial finals match.

Edited Monday at 01:35 PM by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[One8alpha]

Folks that are making accusations about steroid use do not understand what happens to the body when you manage weight.  As soon as you change diet to grow, and lift to grow, it doesnt take long to add on.  You can do the experiment yourself.  Lean way out and starve your body. Then switch to a high protein caloric intake with lifting.  Granted, 18-25 yr olds will have better results

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

I'm not always the kindest to PSU wrestlers and fans.  I think "Coach Cal" is highly suspect.  But I feel a little bad for Kasak.  He is basically being targeted because he went of three weight classes and has horrible acne.  Even at 149 last year, it was said that he was growing during the season and was going to have to be 157.  The kid is having a really tough time with a significant dermatological issue.  He probably  doesn't need any additional piling on.

[Formally140]

Several things can be true at once. 
 

1. PED use is rampant at both hs and college. It's not just "steroids" in traditional sense. People really underestimate how much just even a little trt can help with being able to train at a higher intensity longer.  My lifting buddies say that most modern gear is expensive and not always "steroids". Then add in the epo or other cardio ones. I've also been told that there's supplements that vastly help with doing better off the scale. So if the discussion is to be had.. it needs to start with talking PEDs instead of roofs. 
 

2. it's hard to tell by just looking. So let's not do that. There's smell tests, when you see certain things. Especially if it's a whole team built the exact same way irregardless of body type. But I've seen that more in hs than college personally. 
 

3. You can stop taking stuff up to a month before a competition and still get 90% of the benefits... 

4. I've found discussions of this issue to be like a few other less than savory things in wrestling.. it doesn't take that much digging to find out or be told by very reliable people who or what is happening. But no one wants to really come out and say anything because of how interconnected everything is and how hard to prove things are. 
 

5. Just like the other unsavory crap. Until names get thrown out by people willing to risk positions or burn bridges. It won't matter. Everyone even slightly connected will either know or have a pretty good idea and nothing will happen

edit. Roids not roofs lol

Edited Monday at 01:58 PM by Formally140
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[jross]

We care because even a modest dose of testosterone can boost muscle growth by up to a pound per week, without weightlifting.

20 week study...

 

Best quote

"This guy gained more muscle (31lbs) in 5 months of juicing, without lifting, than a professional did in 15 years of natural lifting."

The easiest giveaway besides rapid muscle gain is the ridiculous size in upper traps and delts.

 

Acne alone "IS NOT" a likely indicator for a college wrestler.  Hormones, stress, and hygiene are likely.

Kasak was already strong in 2024...

And here he is in 2023 with acne

https://www.instagram.com/tylerkasak/p/CyLuJW_Mhik/

And 2024

https://www.instagram.com/tylerkasak/p/C4asFE2MI9u/

...not enough evidence for me on Kasak  ...not even to speculate

I have also been impressed with Shapiro's success because he looks undersized... dude is frustrated... maybe he should hit the gym harder or drop a weight class.

KOT didn't complain about strongmen, rather he recognized that he himself needed to get stronger after his freshmen year.

[BigRedFan]

47 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Finalists are tested.  You see them escorted off after interviews.  I had a friend who was tested right after losing a controversial finals match.

Tournament testing (in any sport) only catches the stupid dopers.

[Truzzcat]

I think it's naive to think that some guys are not taking some form of PED. I also think it's wrong to make claims based off of someone's appearance though without any real evidence otherwise. I'm sure being an active wrestler though Meyer knows way more than we do about what guys are doing its a tight circle, he also did not say anyone specifically so I don't think we should assume it's someone he lost to. He did not need to make excuses he took 5th a month after being hospitalized for 4 days that's a good enough excuse so I don't see him throwing around accusations simply because he's salty. At the end of the day, testing in the NCAA and especially for wrestling is a joke that probably needs looked into more.

[pokemonster]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Because he was caught doping and suspended?

True, but this was way before Nickal wrestled him. He took his ban and was clean enough to pass his tests while Nickal and co wrestled him. 

[Truzzcat]

8 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

True, but this was way before Nickal wrestled him. He took his ban and was clean enough to pass his tests while Nickal and co wrestled him. 

There is heavy speculation that he was still on for that event because once worlds rolled around he was an absolute shell of himself he tech pinned snyder in the same event and then went on to lose 2 of 3 to shabani who had never done anything on the senior level got the nod for the olympics still and lost to olikadze round 1 6-3.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

10 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

True, but this was way before Nickal wrestled him. He took his ban and was clean enough to pass his tests while Nickal and co wrestled him. 

Well, I think the real test was the Olympics less than a year later.  He just didn't seem to be quite the same guy!  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Truzzcat said:

There is heavy speculation that he was still on for that event because once worlds rolled around he was an absolute shell of himself he tech pinned snyder in the same event and then went on to lose 2 of 3 to shabani who had never done anything on the senior level got the nod for the olympics still and lost to olikadze round 1 6-3.

Not to mention: Didn't he put on about 30 lbs of muscle after his positive test?

[Truzzcat]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Not to mention: Didn't he put on about 30 lbs of muscle after his positive test?

he went from a thin 86kg to a big 97kg during his layoff and I think it was from like the ages of 24-27 so not exactly still growing hes iranian too so more than likely 27-30.

[pokemonster]

Andy Hrovat on Twitter: "College athletes I'm pretty sure are only tested for street drugs" also goes on to say that he only knows of 1 wrestler in the past 30 years who has failed any test at NCAAs and it was for pot. "it's pretty fishy". 

Too many wrestlers are confirming that their teammates have used in the past and were never even tested. IF testing occurred, they were notified prior and somebody clean would piss. When so many high level guys such a Hrovat are calling it out, it's gotta be true. No reason to jump down Shapiro's throat for actually having the balls to say it. 

[pokemonster]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Well, I think the real test was the Olympics less than a year later.  He just didn't seem to be quite the same guy!  

Oh I guarantee the guy was using lol, my point was just that everyone is freaking out on Shapiro calling him a POS and sore loser for his little comment (without throwing out any names) yet Bo Nickal has done the exact same thing.

[Scouts Honor]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Finalists are tested.  You see them escorted off after interviews.  I had a friend who was tested right after losing a controversial finals match.

i thought that this was the case. thanks

[jross]

24 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

True, but this was way before Nickal wrestled him. He took his ban and was clean enough to pass his tests while Nickal and co wrestled him. 

Outside of that tournament how has he performed?