Gabe Arnold

[BruceyB]

28 minutes ago, Konquest said:

There hasn't been a weight with as much separation between the top 2 and the rest of the field since the year that Dake and Taylor were both at 165.

It's pretty true. Plott is unfortunately the Tyler Caldwell of this weight. I am curious to see where McEnelly is against the three big dogs though. Interestingly, the only two matches where he didn't score bonus went to OT.

[RawDog]

9 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

Angelo has at least two and maybe three left. (3 if SS didn't count, and i don't think it did).

McEnelly and Plott still on the docket. 

This would be awesome, but I thought Ferrari only had one match left? Are you sure he has 2 left?

[1032004]

10 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

Angelo has at least two and maybe three left. (3 if SS didn't count, and i don't think it did).

I think it did.

He wrestled:

-Grand View Open

-ISU dual

-Soldier Salute

-PSU dual

 

So seems like it should be 2 dates remaining if Soldier Salute didn’t count, 1 if it did, no?

[Le duke]

There hasn't been a weight with as much separation between the top 2 and the rest of the field since the year that Dake and Taylor were both at 165.  The wildcard though is McEnelly as he has smashed everyone, too, and they don't hit Penn State or UNI (or Oklahoma State) to see how he stacks up.  I am a Husker fan/Allred fan and I have no problem admitting that he got smashed by McEnelly and Starocci and made into a meme by Keckeisen.  I could see an Allred/Arnold rematch for 5th or 7th at NCAAs.  It would take some crazy events for anything other than Starocci and Keckeisen in the finals, with McEnelly and Plott for 3rd.

197 last year.

The winner at 197 last year absolutely wrecked Buchanan, who took 3rd. Hidlay would have killed him, too.

Buchanan is the consensus number one this year. I was actually going to make a thread about the biggest drop off from one year to the next in terms of top ranked wrestlers at a weight.


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[TylerDurden]

9 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Gabe seems to have been wrestling in a lower gear over the past several weeks. What's going on? I expected him to light up Jaxon Smith last week after coming back rested, but figured the close final score was out of respect for his old buddy or something. I like Allred and think Manning is a solid coach, but no one expected him to beat Arnold last night. If Gabe is sick or banged up, I hope he can sit out a few and rehab. Big Tens are just around the corner.

I'm kind of confused about why people talk about Arnold like this. Why would anyone think Allred wouldn't beat him? Allred is a former B1G champion. Arnold might not even be the best 184 on his own team, with quotes that are more memorable than his results to this point. 

We have people talking about him like he's been wrecking ranked wrestlers right and left, when the reality is he's blocking and holding position against anyone with a pulse. 

I'm not trying to crap on the guy, he's a good wrestler, but he hasn't shown himself to be in a tier that warrants anyone saying something like no one expected Silas Allred to beat him. 

 

Edited Sunday at 04:19 AM by TylerDurden

[1032004]

8 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

I'm kind of confused about why people talk about Arnold like this. Why would anyone think Allred wouldn't beat him? Allred is a former B1G champion. Arnold might not even be the best 184 on his own team, with quotes that are more memorable than his results to this point. 

We have people talking about him like he's been wrecking ranked wrestlers right and left, when the reality is he's blocking and holding position against anyone with a pulse. 

I'm not trying to crap on the guy, he's a good wrestler, but he hasn't shown himself to be in a tier that warrants anyone saying something like no one expected Silas Allred to beat him. 

 

“No one expected him to win” is probably a stretch, but I bet more people picked Arnold.  People probably hanging onto Allred getting majored by Glazier.  But that and Luke Stout of Princeton are by far the worst losses of his career.   He has 18 losses in the last 3 years but they’ve almost all been to studs:

This year:

-Starocci

-Keckeisen

-McEnelly

Last year:

-Brooks x2

-Hidlay

-Cardenas x2

-Sloan

-Stout

-Glazier

 

2023:

-Bonaccorsi

-Warner x2

-Sloan x2

-Trumble x2

 

[CHROMEBIRD]

2 hours ago, TylerDurden said:

I'm kind of confused about why people talk about Arnold like this. Why would anyone think Allred wouldn't beat him? Allred is a former B1G champion. Arnold might not even be the best 184 on his own team, with quotes that are more memorable than his results to this point. 

We have people talking about him like he's been wrecking ranked wrestlers right and left, when the reality is he's blocking and holding position against anyone with a pulse. 

I'm not trying to crap on the guy, he's a good wrestler, but he hasn't shown himself to be in a tier that warrants anyone saying something like no one expected Silas Allred to beat him. 

 

Only 1.5 picks in the Nebraska-Iowa Predictions thread had Allred beating Arnold. The half is because someone guessed Nebraska would win one of 149 or 184.

Edited Sunday at 07:11 AM by CHROMEBIRD
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[One8alpha]

14 hours ago, 666 said:

I think McEnelly is a 4th-6th place guy  at NCAAs. I could easily see him wrestling Plott in the conso finals. 

Where do you see Arnold placing?

 

[666]

16 minutes ago, One8alpha said:

Where do you see Arnold placing?

 

Lower. Maybe 6-8th. 

[TylerDurden]

On 2/8/2025 at 11:33 PM, 1032004 said:

“No one expected him to win” is probably a stretch, but I bet more people picked Arnold.  People probably hanging onto Allred getting majored by Glazier.  But that and Luke Stout of Princeton are by far the worst losses of his career.   He has 18 losses in the last 3 years but they’ve almost all been to studs:

This year:

-Starocci

-Keckeisen

-McEnelly

Last year:

-Brooks x2

-Hidlay

-Cardenas x2

-Sloan

-Stout

-Glazier

 

2023:

-Bonaccorsi

-Warner x2

-Sloan x2

-Trumble x2

 

No doubt his losses have been "good losses." But I guess my bigger point is that there aren't really college folkstyle wins anyone can point to that suggest he's head-and-shoulders better than someone on Allred's level. What people thought were going to be his marquee wins last year - Feldkamp and Wittlake - turned out to be wins over a guy who was a little better than .500 and a guy who was clearly battling previous injuries. 

To me, his results suggest that he's a guy who's in the mix for an AA spot but I also wouldn't be surprised if he went 2-2 at the NCAAs. 

Just seems to me that the perception surrounding him is a bit inflated vis-a-vis his actual results. 

[1032004]

2 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

No doubt his losses have been "good losses." But I guess my bigger point is that there aren't really college folkstyle wins anyone can point to that suggest he's head-and-shoulders better than someone on Allred's level. What people thought were going to be his marquee wins last year - Feldkamp and Wittlake - turned out to be wins over a guy who was a little better than .500 and a guy who was clearly battling previous injuries. 

To me, his results suggest that he's a guy who's in the mix for an AA spot but I also wouldn't be surprised if he went 2-2 at the NCAAs. 

Just seems to me that the perception surrounding him is a bit inflated vis-a-vis his actual results. 

I agree with you.  Allred was probably being under-rated because of the Glazier loss

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

On 2/8/2025 at 11:03 PM, Le duke said:

197 last year.

The winner at 197 last year absolutely wrecked Buchanan, who took 3rd. Hidlay would have killed him, too.

 

 

 

 

Buchanan is the consensus number one this year. I was actually going to make a thread about the biggest drop off from one year to the next in terms of top ranked wrestlers at a weight.


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Oh come on.  That is an Olympic medalist. Give me a break.  Any weight with an Olympic medalist likely has a dropoff the next year. 

But the answer is Sean O'Day, Edinboro 134 in 1989.  Had a loss to a high school kid around that time too.

Edited Monday at 01:43 PM by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[nhs67]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I agree with you.  Allred was probably being under-rated because of the Glazier loss

Allred has been underrated because both him and Pinto have underperformed on the season compared to what folks thought they would be at.

Having close matches with Gavin Kane and Caleb Uhlenhopp to start the season at 184lbs then getting destroyed (yes that word) in three straight matches to Keckeisen, McEnelly, and Starocci weren't in Allred's or Nebraska's cards when they said "This former B1G Champ is dropping a weight class."

The same can be said for Pinto, who was a 2B much of last season at 184lbs while being a physical horse against EVERYBODY he faced last season leading up to NCAAs.  He lost to Simma, Ruiz, and Wask then got destroyed by Haines, a guy coming up from 174lbs.  Pinto did avenge the Simma loss, but just barely (6-5) and his victory over Kennedy was his first potential AA caliber victory on the season.

I am sure the coaching staff and both Allred and Pinto both thought the drop in weight would be more... dominating for them.

It leaves one to wonder if the drop will have been worth it.  You have two guys at 165lbs now (Wilson and Minto) who are having better seasons than the guy they made room for at 197lbs (McDaniel) - all respects due.

Had there been a prediction thread to start the season between Nebraska and Iowa, I am sure we would have had a few more people pick Pinto and Allred than the thread last week.

[Silver]

On 2/8/2025 at 7:01 AM, KennyEBHS said:

Gabe Arnold is overrated. He pushes and pulls but has no shot.

Maybe they should go back to Brands,

[nhs67]

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Oh come on.  That is an Olympic medalist. Give me a break.  Any weight with an Olympic medalist likely has a dropoff the next year.

2018 - Snyder, Coon, Dhesi
2019 - Cassar, White, Steveson

Not that big a drop-off, honestly, but Snyder was always more cutout for MFS as it were anyways.

When was the last time we lost an Olympic medalist other than last year and 2018?

[1032004]

18 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Allred has been underrated because both him and Pinto have underperformed on the season compared to what folks thought they would be at.

Having close matches with Gavin Kane and Caleb Uhlenhopp to start the season at 184lbs then getting destroyed (yes that word) in three straight matches to Keckeisen, McEnelly, and Starocci weren't in Allred's or Nebraska's cards when they said "This former B1G Champ is dropping a weight class."

The same can be said for Pinto, who was a 2B much of last season at 184lbs while being a physical horse against EVERYBODY he faced last season leading up to NCAAs.  He lost to Simma, Ruiz, and Wask then got destroyed by Haines, a guy coming up from 174lbs.  Pinto did avenge the Simma loss, but just barely (6-5) and his victory over Kennedy was his first potential AA caliber victory on the season.

I am sure the coaching staff and both Allred and Pinto both thought the drop in weight would be more... dominating for them.

It leaves one to wonder if the drop will have been worth it.  You have two guys at 165lbs now (Wilson and Minto) who are having better seasons than the guy they made room for at 197lbs (McDaniel) - all respects due.

Had there been a prediction thread to start the season between Nebraska and Iowa, I am sure we would have had a few more people pick Pinto and Allred than the thread last week.

I think you’re reading too much into margin of victory/defeat with Allred.

But I did have the same thought about McDanel.  They basically had Allred, Pinto and Taylor drop a weight to fit him in the lineup and he has not looked great.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

31 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

2018 - Snyder, Coon, Dhesi
2019 - Cassar, White, Steveson

Not that big a drop-off, honestly, but Snyder was always more cutout for MFS as it were anyways.

When was the last time we lost an Olympic medalist other than last year and 2018?

I added to my original post, but prob 1988-1989 134.  Smith to O'Day.

1999 World Champ Neal to 2000 Lesnar not nearly the dropoff of 1988-1989 134

Edited Monday at 02:22 PM by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[BloodRound]

Arnold is going to take 7th, say he did not "reach the ultimate goal," but is "pretty proud" of pulling himself together and rebounding after a tough loss in (insert round you think he loses in here).  He will mention that he knows a lot of people are "talking a lot of trash" online about him (us), but that it ultimately does not matter.  Someone will ask him about the Starocci call-outs, and he will say that those are "irrelevant at this point."

[nhs67]

41 minutes ago, BloodRound said:

Arnold is going to take 7th, say he did not "reach the ultimate goal," but is "pretty proud" of pulling himself together and rebounding after a tough loss in (insert round you think he loses in here).  He will mention that he knows a lot of people are "talking a lot of trash" online about him (us), but that it ultimately does not matter.  Someone will ask him about the Starocci call-outs, and he will say that those are "irrelevant at this point."

7th is better than all except maybe 4 or 5 people that post on these forums.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

41 minutes ago, BloodRound said:

Arnold is going to take 7th, say he did not "reach the ultimate goal," but is "pretty proud" of pulling himself together and rebounding after a tough loss in (insert round you think he loses in here).  He will mention that he knows a lot of people are "talking a lot of trash" online about him (us), but that it ultimately does not matter.  Someone will ask him about the Starocci call-outs, and he will say that those are "irrelevant at this point."

Guarantee Arnold will place better than 7th.  I have him 3-5.

[BloodRound]

2 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

7th is better than all except maybe 4 or 5 people that post on these forums.

I'm a generous guy who sees the positives in others, what can I say?

 

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Guarantee Arnold will place better than 7th.  I have him 3-5.

Jimmy may be more generous than me though.

[ionel]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Guarantee Arnold ... 3-5.

wanta bet? 

[Dogbone]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Allred has been underrated because both him and Pinto have underperformed on the season compared to what folks thought they would be at.

Having close matches with Gavin Kane and Caleb Uhlenhopp to start the season at 184lbs then getting destroyed (yes that word) in three straight matches to Keckeisen, McEnelly, and Starocci weren't in Allred's or Nebraska's cards when they said "This former B1G Champ is dropping a weight class."

The same can be said for Pinto, who was a 2B much of last season at 184lbs while being a physical horse against EVERYBODY he faced last season leading up to NCAAs.  He lost to Simma, Ruiz, and Wask then got destroyed by Haines, a guy coming up from 174lbs.  Pinto did avenge the Simma loss, but just barely (6-5) and his victory over Kennedy was his first potential AA caliber victory on the season.

I am sure the coaching staff and both Allred and Pinto both thought the drop in weight would be more... dominating for them.

It leaves one to wonder if the drop will have been worth it.  You have two guys at 165lbs now (Wilson and Minto) who are having better seasons than the guy they made room for at 197lbs (McDaniel) - all respects due.

Had there been a prediction thread to start the season between Nebraska and Iowa, I am sure we would have had a few more people pick Pinto and Allred than the thread last week.

Maybe I am in the minority but I was not shocked at all that the guys going down in weight wouldn't look as good in early December in their first few competitions at a new weight class. 

Both Pinto and Allred have a higher bonus percentage this year compared to last year so they have been more dominate.

Having said that, Allred/Pinto may have been properly rated but Arnold and Kennedy were probably over rated.   Kennedy's best win of the year is #13 Danny Wask and #30 Braunagel according to wrestletat.  Arnold has now wrestled 4 guys in the top 20 on wrestlestat and has 1 takedown in regulation. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Guarantee Arnold will place better than 7th.  I have him 3-5.

You don't know what that word means.

[PortaJohn]

3 hours ago, ionel said:

wanta bet? 

take the bet @Jimmy Cinnabon