No discussion re: PSU and IOWA transfers to Rutgers?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

There are massive threads on the Rutgers, Iowa and Penn State boards that Iowa and Penn State will both be losing elite wrestlers to Rutgers. Apparently this is from the same guy who predicted Suriano to Rutgers so it may have legs.

[Pinnacle]

Ughh

 

[headshuck]

Seems like an expected process. What’s the controversy?

[1032004]

40 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Seems like an expected process. What’s the controversy?

On the PSU forum they seem to be expecting some of the bigger name guys to transfer, just not to Rutgers and I’d agree with that.  Only semi-notable guy on their roster that makes sense to Rutgers IMO is Gibson.  I’d give an outside chance for Sealey but unlikely IMO.

Only guy from Iowa that would make sense to Rutgers is Ferrari, but he doesn’t seem to fit the description the poster described anyway.

[Le duke]

The entire premise doesn’t make sense.

The OP in that thread implied that Kasak just wants to wrestle and hunt, therefore he wants to transfer, while ignoring that he’d still have to *go to school* at Rutgers.


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[1032004]

53 minutes ago, Le duke said:

The entire premise doesn’t make sense.

The OP in that thread implied that Kasak just wants to wrestle and hunt, therefore he wants to transfer, while ignoring that he’d still have to *go to school* at Rutgers.


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I also wouldn’t think Rutgers would be the best place to go hunting

[MPhillips]

18 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I also wouldn’t think Rutgers would be the best place to go hunting

Depends on the game you're after...

[Pinnacle]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

The entire premise doesn’t make sense.

The OP in that thread implied that Kasak just wants to wrestle and hunt, therefore he wants to transfer, while ignoring that he’d still have to *go to school* at Rutgers.


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1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

I also wouldn’t think Rutgers would be the best place to go hunting

 

PA is as hunter friendly as anyplace in America. New Jersey, nah.

[ionel]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

The entire premise doesn’t make sense.

The OP in that thread implied that ...

Is there a pastry over there?  

[Gus]

4 hours ago, Le duke said:

The entire premise doesn’t make sense.

The OP in that thread implied that Kasak just wants to wrestle and hunt, therefore he wants to transfer, while ignoring that he’d still have to *go to school* at Rutgers.


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If he wants to wrestle and hunt SDSU is clearly the place for him. Great hunting and fishing around Brookings.  

[scourge165]

The best County for Deer Hunting is in Wisconsin(the #1 Deer Hunting State in the Country) and Buffalo County is...maybe an hour outside of Madison?

Just saying...if you really want them big bucks...stay at PSU, but if you want to hunt large dear, Madison is a pretty good place! 

[MPhillips]

3 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I also wouldn’t think Rutgers would be the best place to go hunting

[PortaJohn]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

The best County for Deer Hunting is in Wisconsin(the #1 Deer Hunting State in the Country) and Buffalo County is...maybe an hour outside of Madison?

Just saying...if you really want them big bucks...stay at PSU, but if you want to hunt large dear, Madison is a pretty good place! 

Centre County has come a long way as the new generation has walked away from the "if it's Brown it's Down" philosophy.

Just east of Bellefonte

[Pinnacle]

I counted 18 points. Sweet. Was that this wknd? 

Edited December 2 by Pinnacle

[pokemonster]

Interesting. Who are they saying is likely to leave? 

[The Kid]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Centre County has come a long way as the new generation has walked away from the "if it's Brown it's Down" philosophy.

Just east of Bellefonte

Somewhere Gary Alt is smiling too.

[1032004]

1 hour ago, pokemonster said:

Interesting. Who are they saying is likely to leave? 

If you’re referring to this specific rumor, he’s not, but said it was someone that was “Suriano level,” so I’m skeptical.

But PSU fans seem to acknowledge that guys like Sealey, Facundo, Cochran, maybe even Kasak or one of Davis or Nagao may leave.

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Centre County has come a long way as the new generation has walked away from the "if it's Brown it's Down" philosophy.

Just east of Bellefonte

I'm not actually a hunter...which is weird as my entire family are. I have some family that moved up to Northern Wisconsin, Grandparents retired there...not sure why. They'd be snowed in for 4-5 days at a time in the winters, but I loved it. We bought some land up there a couple times, but now, I just bring friends up to the Cabin and they go hunt.

So the Buffalo County is just something I've heard about and just saw on a Google search it was ranked #1 and Wisconsin was #1 for White Tail(though I'm skeptical given the Wolves...and apparently the Bears are particularly bad for the Dear). 

 

In fact, this wild story was a Cousin(by Marriage). Got to see the Mount before the Bar "accidentally" burned down and...it was impressive. The picture doesn't do it justice. Not sure either are the size of that beast in your picture, but the story is pretty wild. Horns get locked, one paws off the other head. I think it was pretty skinny by the time it was shot from carrying the head around, but...still, pretty impressive. 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/northland-outdoors/dokken-story-of-two-headed-wisconsin-buck-resurfaces-for-another-telling

 

 

Personally...I don't like killing Bambi or her Daddy! LOL...I just sleep in, provide the hunting land and then the ATV or SXS to bring her out! 

[scourge165]

4 hours ago, 1032004 said:

If you’re referring to this specific rumor, he’s not, but said it was someone that was “Suriano level,” so I’m skeptical.

But PSU fans seem to acknowledge that guys like Sealey, Facundo, Cochran, maybe even Kasak or one of Davis or Nagao may leave.

How is Cochran leaving? At Semester? 

I was half hoping for one more year of PSU just DOMINATING a recruiting class just so we could see a B-team that could contend for a NC(though that's just objectively bad for the sport). I've actually watched videos(or at least one) arguing why Facundo wouldn't be highly sought after. "He wrestled at just one NCAA and didn't place." 

Good metric for the PSU expectations. Kid doesn't place at the toughest weight and he's...the "disappointment,' in the PSU room!

I'm certainly confused as to why Kasak would transfer. Took a 3rd, he seems to be in line for the starting spot this year and is arguably the favorite to win a Title at the moment. He was a '41 heading into last season...but then SVN got hurt, he went up and took a 3rd. 

Nagao, Conchran if he could, Sealey, they'd make sense. Erik Gibson is another guy. I thought he was a pretty big get for them(maybe that was just the Gibson-Bartlett group). 

 

I also wonder if this isn't also good for PSU in the long run. With roster limits shrinking...it doesn't seem like it makes much sense to have Kasak, Facundo, Mesenbrink, Duke, Sealey, Cunningham, Henkel among others...just at '57-'65. 

I'd think a guy like Sealey would be getting a healthy chunk of cash. He was the big recruit they had coming in this time last year. I'm not sure if he's really done anything to take the shine off so much as...you have guys with 3 years of eligibilty at '49(3rd), '57(3rd), '65(2nd), 2 years at '74(2/1), he's not a '84 or '97 but if he was...while it's not as deep there, it's still not exactly lacking for talent. 

 

Also...that '26 class has 3 guys who I think are RARE talents. Guys who all have 4X potential. But No. 1 Bo Bassett and No. 2 Jax Forrest and No. 3 Deshaun Ross, the HWT out of Iowa. I think I'm a little higher on him as a Wrestler at the same age over Keuter just based on his length(though...not a big edge) but how explosive he is. 

 

You put those 3 in State College, I think PSU is running away with titles for the next 5-6 years easily. 

IF you put them in...say Okie St, that's the type of group Brands came from Va Tech to Iowa with. I would think Iowa and Okie State would be less likely for Ross(who I actually think should be the primary goal of PSU for that class).

 

I watched that kid and he's Wrestling studs and he almost looks like he's got this big hunch back when he's in a stance. Then you realize...that kid just doesn't skip back day and when he drops and shoots and uncoils, he's already deep before taking the damn shot he's so long. And he's got a back to pull in that single, the speed to hit whatever shot he needs. 

[nhs67]

9 hours ago, 1032004 said:

If you’re referring to this specific rumor, he’s not, but said it was someone that was “Suriano level,” so I’m skeptical.

But PSU fans seem to acknowledge that guys like Sealey, Facundo, Cochran, maybe even Kasak or one of Davis or Nagao may leave.

Nicky Skeletor was a 0x placer, 1x NQ, and had zero wins at NCAAs when he left for Rutgers.

The only gent on the roster who fits that mold ks Facundo.

[Gus]

5 hours ago, scourge165 said:

How is Cochran leaving? At Semester? 

I was half hoping for one more year of PSU just DOMINATING a recruiting class just so we could see a B-team that could contend for a NC(though that's just objectively bad for the sport). I've actually watched videos(or at least one) arguing why Facundo wouldn't be highly sought after. "He wrestled at just one NCAA and didn't place." 

Good metric for the PSU expectations. Kid doesn't place at the toughest weight and he's...the "disappointment,' in the PSU room!

I'm certainly confused as to why Kasak would transfer. Took a 3rd, he seems to be in line for the starting spot this year and is arguably the favorite to win a Title at the moment. He was a '41 heading into last season...but then SVN got hurt, he went up and took a 3rd. 

Nagao, Conchran if he could, Sealey, they'd make sense. Erik Gibson is another guy. I thought he was a pretty big get for them(maybe that was just the Gibson-Bartlett group). 

 

I also wonder if this isn't also good for PSU in the long run. With roster limits shrinking...it doesn't seem like it makes much sense to have Kasak, Facundo, Mesenbrink, Duke, Sealey, Cunningham, Henkel among others...just at '57-'65. 

I'd think a guy like Sealey would be getting a healthy chunk of cash. He was the big recruit they had coming in this time last year. I'm not sure if he's really done anything to take the shine off so much as...you have guys with 3 years of eligibilty at '49(3rd), '57(3rd), '65(2nd), 2 years at '74(2/1), he's not a '84 or '97 but if he was...while it's not as deep there, it's still not exactly lacking for talent. 

 

Also...that '26 class has 3 guys who I think are RARE talents. Guys who all have 4X potential. But No. 1 Bo Bassett and No. 2 Jax Forrest and No. 3 Deshaun Ross, the HWT out of Iowa. I think I'm a little higher on him as a Wrestler at the same age over Keuter just based on his length(though...not a big edge) but how explosive he is. 

 

You put those 3 in State College, I think PSU is running away with titles for the next 5-6 years easily. 

IF you put them in...say Okie St, that's the type of group Brands came from Va Tech to Iowa with. I would think Iowa and Okie State would be less likely for Ross(who I actually think should be the primary goal of PSU for that class).

 

I watched that kid and he's Wrestling studs and he almost looks like he's got this big hunch back when he's in a stance. Then you realize...that kid just doesn't skip back day and when he drops and shoots and uncoils, he's already deep before taking the damn shot he's so long. And he's got a back to pull in that single, the speed to hit whatever shot he needs. 

Henckel is a 174 growing into 184. Cunningham I believe they envision the same - 174/184.

[1032004]

5 hours ago, scourge165 said:

How is Cochran leaving? At Semester? 

I was half hoping for one more year of PSU just DOMINATING a recruiting class just so we could see a B-team that could contend for a NC(though that's just objectively bad for the sport). I've actually watched videos(or at least one) arguing why Facundo wouldn't be highly sought after. "He wrestled at just one NCAA and didn't place." 

Good metric for the PSU expectations. Kid doesn't place at the toughest weight and he's...the "disappointment,' in the PSU room!

I'm certainly confused as to why Kasak would transfer. Took a 3rd, he seems to be in line for the starting spot this year and is arguably the favorite to win a Title at the moment. He was a '41 heading into last season...but then SVN got hurt, he went up and took a 3rd. 

Nagao, Conchran if he could, Sealey, they'd make sense. Erik Gibson is another guy. I thought he was a pretty big get for them(maybe that was just the Gibson-Bartlett group). 

 

I also wonder if this isn't also good for PSU in the long run. With roster limits shrinking...it doesn't seem like it makes much sense to have Kasak, Facundo, Mesenbrink, Duke, Sealey, Cunningham, Henkel among others...just at '57-'65. 

I'd think a guy like Sealey would be getting a healthy chunk of cash. He was the big recruit they had coming in this time last year. I'm not sure if he's really done anything to take the shine off so much as...you have guys with 3 years of eligibilty at '49(3rd), '57(3rd), '65(2nd), 2 years at '74(2/1), he's not a '84 or '97 but if he was...while it's not as deep there, it's still not exactly lacking for talent. 

 

Also...that '26 class has 3 guys who I think are RARE talents. Guys who all have 4X potential. But No. 1 Bo Bassett and No. 2 Jax Forrest and No. 3 Deshaun Ross, the HWT out of Iowa. I think I'm a little higher on him as a Wrestler at the same age over Keuter just based on his length(though...not a big edge) but how explosive he is. 

 

You put those 3 in State College, I think PSU is running away with titles for the next 5-6 years easily. 

IF you put them in...say Okie St, that's the type of group Brands came from Va Tech to Iowa with. I would think Iowa and Okie State would be less likely for Ross(who I actually think should be the primary goal of PSU for that class).

 

I watched that kid and he's Wrestling studs and he almost looks like he's got this big hunch back when he's in a stance. Then you realize...that kid just doesn't skip back day and when he drops and shoots and uncoils, he's already deep before taking the damn shot he's so long. And he's got a back to pull in that single, the speed to hit whatever shot he needs. 

Sorry, didn’t mean this year 

[BloodRound]

The Rutgers forum is really great at derailing threads rather quickly, and this one is no exception.

[Truzzcat]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

How is Cochran leaving? At Semester? 

I was half hoping for one more year of PSU just DOMINATING a recruiting class just so we could see a B-team that could contend for a NC(though that's just objectively bad for the sport). I've actually watched videos(or at least one) arguing why Facundo wouldn't be highly sought after. "He wrestled at just one NCAA and didn't place." 

Good metric for the PSU expectations. Kid doesn't place at the toughest weight and he's...the "disappointment,' in the PSU room!

I'm certainly confused as to why Kasak would transfer. Took a 3rd, he seems to be in line for the starting spot this year and is arguably the favorite to win a Title at the moment. He was a '41 heading into last season...but then SVN got hurt, he went up and took a 3rd. 

Nagao, Conchran if he could, Sealey, they'd make sense. Erik Gibson is another guy. I thought he was a pretty big get for them(maybe that was just the Gibson-Bartlett group). 

 

I also wonder if this isn't also good for PSU in the long run. With roster limits shrinking...it doesn't seem like it makes much sense to have Kasak, Facundo, Mesenbrink, Duke, Sealey, Cunningham, Henkel among others...just at '57-'65. 

I'd think a guy like Sealey would be getting a healthy chunk of cash. He was the big recruit they had coming in this time last year. I'm not sure if he's really done anything to take the shine off so much as...you have guys with 3 years of eligibilty at '49(3rd), '57(3rd), '65(2nd), 2 years at '74(2/1), he's not a '84 or '97 but if he was...while it's not as deep there, it's still not exactly lacking for talent. 

 

Also...that '26 class has 3 guys who I think are RARE talents. Guys who all have 4X potential. But No. 1 Bo Bassett and No. 2 Jax Forrest and No. 3 Deshaun Ross, the HWT out of Iowa. I think I'm a little higher on him as a Wrestler at the same age over Keuter just based on his length(though...not a big edge) but how explosive he is. 

 

You put those 3 in State College, I think PSU is running away with titles for the next 5-6 years easily. 

IF you put them in...say Okie St, that's the type of group Brands came from Va Tech to Iowa with. I would think Iowa and Okie State would be less likely for Ross(who I actually think should be the primary goal of PSU for that class).

 

I watched that kid and he's Wrestling studs and he almost looks like he's got this big hunch back when he's in a stance. Then you realize...that kid just doesn't skip back day and when he drops and shoots and uncoils, he's already deep before taking the damn shot he's so long. And he's got a back to pull in that single, the speed to hit whatever shot he needs. 

I think Ross is either going to only play football or try to dual sport. I think that takes PSU of the board for him because I do not see Cael or Franklin investing in a guy that they have to share. Just does not really seem like something that fits either of their philosophies. He is also coming off a pretty serious shoulder injury that he sustained wrestling. I am curious if that causes him to spend less time on the mat simply because he does not want to risk missing time for football. He is a very very special talent though.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

I think Ross is either going to only play football or try to dual sport. I think that takes PSU of the board for him because I do not see Cael or Franklin investing in a guy that they have to share. Just does not really seem like something that fits either of their philosophies. He is also coming off a pretty serious shoulder injury that he sustained wrestling. I am curious if that causes him to spend less time on the mat simply because he does not want to risk missing time for football. He is a very very special talent though.

Iowa makes sense then.  Keuter did the same thing with FB/Wrestling.