11986 Posted June 24 Posted June 24 stumbled across an interview with Jason Kelber the other day. got me thinking, what wrestlers have wins over both Brands brothers? Kelber does (HS over Tom, college over Terry) Kendall Cross (college over Tom, freestyle over Terry) maybe some other Iowa guys in HS like Chad Zaputil and Dan Knight? Alan Fried beat Tom in college and maybe one or both of them at junior nationals in freestyle? anyone obvious that I'm missing? 2 1
11986 Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 40 minutes ago, WildTurk said: John Smith? not sure. but here's Randy Lewis pinning Tom 1 3
Fletcher Posted June 24 Posted June 24 I don't think he has wins over them, but pretty sure their dad beat both of them. That level of surliness doesn't come from nowhere. 1
CHROMEBIRD Posted June 24 Posted June 24 3 hours ago, Fletcher said: I don't think he has wins over them, but pretty sure their dad beat both of them. That level of surliness doesn't come from nowhere. According to Brands, their dad was an abusive alcoholic which is why TnT don't drink.
Truzzcat Posted June 24 Posted June 24 27 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: According to Brands, their dad was an abusive alcoholic which is why TnT don't drink. off topic but I watched an interview with spencer yesterday where he said hes never had alcohol, among a slew of other things like a doughnut.
BAC Posted June 24 Posted June 24 6 hours ago, 11986 said: not sure. but here's Randy Lewis pinning Tom The way Lewis just fed Brands his hips...
11986 Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 2 minutes ago, BAC said: The way Lewis just fed Brands his hips... Brands young as heck there and looking to scrap and Lewis is just play wrestling.
AgaveMaria Posted June 25 Posted June 25 It can't be many. They were both tough on the mat. Better careers than 99.9% of all who have wrestled. ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”.
fishbane Posted June 25 Posted June 25 Kelber and Cross might be a complete list. Who were their college losses? Tom was 159-7-2. He lost at Midlands his senior year to Alan Fried. His junior year he was undefeated. His sophomore year he lost to Dave Zuniga at Big Tens and to Alan Fried I think at an open or maybe an early season dual. His freshman year he was 32-4-2. He lost to Kendall Cross and Jim Martin at NCAAs and also lost to Martin in the finals of Midlands. I'm not sure about the 4th loss. Terry's record is 137-7. He was undefeated as a senior. His junior year his only loss was to Kelber in the NCAA final. His sophomore year he was 33-2. One loss was in an early season open to Gary McCall and the other one may have been that double DQ with Jeff Prescott. His freshman year he lost 4 matches. Two of those were at the Midlands to Larry Jones and Jack Griffith. Not sure about the other two. Maybe Steve Martin at some open?
ionel Posted June 25 Posted June 25 3 hours ago, Truzzcat said: off topic but I watched an interview with spencer yesterday where he said hes never had alcohol, among a slew of other things like a doughnut. Barry Davis would like a word. 1 3 2BPE 11/17/24 SMC
Fadzaev2 Posted June 25 Posted June 25 11 hours ago, 11986 said: stumbled across an interview with Jason Kelber the other day. got me thinking, what wrestlers have wins over both Brands brothers? Kelber does (HS over Tom, college over Terry) Kendall Cross (college over Tom, freestyle over Terry) maybe some other Iowa guys in HS like Chad Zaputil and Dan Knight? Alan Fried beat Tom in college and maybe one or both of them at junior nationals in freestyle? anyone obvious that I'm missing? Fried pinned Tom at Midlands his sophomore year at OSU, and he also teched Tom in 87 at junior nationals 16-0. Overall though Tom has more wins against Alan. I think it was the first year Alan won junior nationals (won it 4 times), he had both nofd the Brands and Lincoln McIlravy in his bracket. 1
MNRodent Posted June 25 Posted June 25 10 hours ago, 11986 said: not sure. but here's Randy Lewis pinning Tom I wrestled Lewis a couple years before this. It was in a folkstyle collegiate open, he had moved up to 142 and planted me in a similar way. I had never felt more pinned in my life. 3 1
flyingcement Posted June 25 Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, MNRodent said: I wrestled Lewis a couple years before this. It was in a folkstyle collegiate open, he had moved up to 142 and planted me in a similar way. I had never felt more pinned in my life. i'm not laughing at you - but with you. If you ever stepped on a mat with the likes of Lewis you are likely many levels above the best version of me.
MNRodent Posted June 25 Posted June 25 1 minute ago, flyingcement said: i'm not laughing at you - but with you. If you ever stepped on a mat with the likes of Lewis you are likely many levels above the best version of me. 40 years later I vividly remember not being able to move off my back after he threw me. I was a freshman and my senior captain came up to me after the match and gave me a titty-twister and said, "what's your excuse, you have two of these". (Lewis was born without one pectoralis muscle). 1
Cowboy08 Posted June 25 Posted June 25 14 hours ago, Truzzcat said: off topic but I watched an interview with spencer yesterday where he said hes never had alcohol, among a slew of other things like a doughnut. where can I see this?
jackwebster Posted June 25 Posted June 25 18 hours ago, Truzzcat said: off topic but I watched an interview with spencer yesterday where he said hes never had alcohol, among a slew of other things like a doughnut. Steve Albini once said something like "One prerequisite for holding any public office ought to be documented proof that the candidate has taken psychedelic drugs." I kinda get it. I don't trust people like Lee. They seem to be missing out on lots of quientessentially human experiences. 3
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 25 Posted June 25 52 minutes ago, jackwebster said: Steve Albini once said something like "One prerequisite for holding any public office ought to be documented proof that the candidate has taken psychedelic drugs." I kinda get it. I don't trust people like Lee. They seem to be missing out on lots of quientessentially human experiences. I get all my political advice from audio engineers. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
jackwebster Posted June 25 Posted June 25 11 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I get all my political advice from audio engineers. Well, it's more or less the same point made about great leaders in Henry, IV p. 1 and 2. I think that guy said some other smart things about statecraft, too.
11986 Posted June 26 Author Posted June 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, jackwebster said: Steve Albini once said something like "One prerequisite for holding any public office ought to be documented proof that the candidate has taken psychedelic drugs." I kinda get it. I don't trust people like Lee. They seem to be missing out on lots of quientessentially human experiences. Hear you but after watching the video, Lee doesn’t come across like Todd Marinovich or anything he’s just a nerdy kid outside of wrestling. Experiencing things in that and all good Edited June 26 by 11986 1
flyingcement Posted June 26 Posted June 26 8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I get all my political advice from audio engineers. I get my best wrestling statistical analysis from ex-swimmers 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 26 Posted June 26 1 hour ago, flyingcement said: I get my best wrestling statistical analysis from ex-swimmers So, we can both do better? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
flyingcement Posted June 26 Posted June 26 15 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: So, we can both do better? I can only speak for myself and I am completely satisfied with the service
jackwebster Posted June 26 Posted June 26 10 hours ago, 11986 said: Hear you but after watching the video, Lee doesn’t come across like Todd Marinovich or anything he’s just a nerdy kid outside of wrestling. Experiencing things in that and all good Just reached the vid. You're right. I just hold a grudge against Lee re Cardinale. 1
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