Wrestleknownothing Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Last night @Jason Bryant pointed out that in Jesse Mendez's corner was newly minted Hall of Famer Logan Stieber (Distinguished Member category). And over the weekend, @Iwrite was kind enough to share with us the bio for the third Banach Brother, Steve, who was inducted into the Hall of Fame in the "Outstanding American" category. This got me thinking about who would be the next wrestler to get into the Hall of Fame based primarily on college and international achievements. I took a quick perusal of the Distinguished Members category by year (https://nwhof.org/hall_of_fame/awards/Distinguished_Member?page=1) and estimated that in the last 25 years there have been between 50 and 60 honorees who were there based primarily on college achievements, or a combination of college and international with a heavy dose of college. So let's say 2 to 3 get in next year. Who are those guys? One caveat, a wrestler has to be retired for 5 years to be eligible (and I believe that is five years from any combat type?). Some ideas: Cole Konrad - 4x AA, 3x finalist, 2x champ in college (4,2,1,1). Pan Am Gold while in college. World University Gold. Bellator heavyweight champ. Steve Mocco - this one might come with a caveat. He is already in the HOF as a Glen Brand honoree (for wrestlers from Iowa) and a Dave Schultz honoree (high school). Maybe the Brand and Distinguished Member are mutually exclusive? Tommy Rowlands - 4x AA, 3x finalist, 2x champ in college (2,1,6,1). University World Champion, Pan-Am Champion, 2x U.S. Open Champion, and 6x U.S. National Team Member. Ben Askren - No brainer. 4x AA, 4x finalist, 2x champ in college (2,2,1,1), 2x Hodge Award. Olympian, Pan Am Gold, World Grappling Champ, ONE and Bellator Champ. Who have you got? 3 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 10 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Steve Mocco - this one might come with a caveat. He is already in the HOF as a Glen Brand honoree (for wrestlers from Iowa) and a Dave Schultz honoree (high school). Maybe the Brand and Distinguished Member are mutually exclusive? Who have you got? did Mocco win anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenwave Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Rowlands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 15 minutes ago, ionel said: did Mocco win anything? 2X NCAA Champ, 3X Pan Am Champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 17 minutes ago, ionel said: did Mocco win anything? rumor has it Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 27 minutes ago, Gus said: 2X NCAA Champ, 3X Pan Am Champ OTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 Should every single digit guy be a HOFer? Single digit guy = 4x AA where the sum of their placement is a single digit. There are 52 single digit guys. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Last night @Jason Bryant pointed out that in Jesse Mendez's corner was newly minted Hall of Famer Logan Stieber (Distinguished Member category). And over the weekend, @Iwrite was kind enough to share with us the bio for the third Banach Brother, Steve, who was inducted into the Hall of Fame in the "Outstanding American" category. This got me thinking about who would be the next wrestler to get into the Hall of Fame based primarily on college and international achievements. I took a quick perusal of the Distinguished Members category by year (https://nwhof.org/hall_of_fame/awards/Distinguished_Member?page=1) and estimated that in the last 25 years there have been between 50 and 60 honorees who were there based primarily on college achievements, or a combination of college and international with a heavy dose of college. So let's say 2 to 3 get in next year. Who are those guys? One caveat, a wrestler has to be retired for 5 years to be eligible (and I believe that is five years from any combat type?). Some ideas: Cole Konrad - 4x AA, 3x finalist, 2x champ in college (4,2,1,1). Pan Am Gold while in college. World University Gold. Bellator heavyweight champ. Steve Mocco - this one might come with a caveat. He is already in the HOF as a Glen Brand honoree (for wrestlers from Iowa) and a Dave Schultz honoree (high school). Maybe the Brand and Distinguished Member are mutually exclusive? Tommy Rowlands - 4x AA, 3x finalist, 2x champ in college (2,1,6,1). University World Champion, Pan-Am Champion, 2x U.S. Open Champion, and 6x U.S. National Team Member. Ben Askren - No brainer. 4x AA, 4x finalist, 2x champ in college (2,2,1,1), 2x Hodge Award. Olympian, Pan Am Gold, World Grappling Champ, ONE and Bellator Champ. Who have you got? YAWNnnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 12 minutes ago, Rassling said: YAWNnnn Such a confusing response 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Ben has given so much back to the sport on top of his accolades I think he has to be the next guy. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 2 hours ago, Truzzcat said: Ben has given so much back to the sport on top of his accolades I think he has to be the next guy. Something just occurred to me. Does the Jake Paul fight restart the 5 year waiting period for Askren? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 32 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Something just occurred to me. Does the Jake Paul fight restart the 5 year waiting period for Askren? If jake paul is gatekeeping ben from the hall of fame that will be a very sad day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alces Alces Gigas Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 There are several coaches that need to go in for sure. David James and Pat Pecora need in the Hall bit the Hall seems to only care about D1 accolades. 2 NCAA team titles and 661 dual wins for Pecora and 12 team titles for James (5 NAIA and 7 NCAA) should be enough 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 6/5/2024 at 11:52 AM, Wrestleknownothing said: Should every single digit guy be a HOFer? Single digit guy = 4x AA where the sum of their placement is a single digit. There are 52 single digit guys. I count 55 of these including O'Toole and Starocci who are still active. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, fishbane said: I count 55 of these including O'Toole and Starocci who are still active. There is a simple reason why you count 55, because you are correct. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 49 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: There is a simple reason why you count 55, because you are correct. No, I'm not. I was missing at least 2 - Kolat and Milkovich. Hard to argue against any of these 57. The four retired the longest that are not distinguished members are Scarpello, Kilgore, Burley, and Goldman. On 6/5/2024 at 10:33 AM, Wrestleknownothing said: He is already in the HOF as a Glen Brand honoree (for wrestlers from Iowa) and a Dave Schultz honoree (high school). Maybe the Brand and Distinguished Member are mutually exclusive? Gable is both a Glen Brand Inductee and a Distinguished Member. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, fishbane said: No, I'm not. I was missing at least 2 - Kolat and Milkovich. Hard to argue against any of these 57. The four retired the longest that are not distinguished members are Scarpello, Kilgore, Burley, and Goldman. Gable is both a Glen Brand Inductee and a Distinguished Member. Of the 4 listed at the top, I vote for Burley....4 time finalist, 2 time champ and was very exciting, especially vs. Randy Lewis....epic battles. Also, although not a big deal Milkovich's last year was 1976. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmilk Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Milkovich placed 1, 1, 2, 2, and the last year was 1976. Thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 11 minutes ago, pmilk said: Milkovich placed 1, 1, 2, 2, and the last year was 1976. Thanks They oughta put that guy in the HOF for his views on stalling alone. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Crazy to think Imar was potentially two Vincenzo joseph inside trips away from maybe being a top 3 all time college wrestler. He would have been 112-1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Since I keep getting corrected below is the updated list, ordered by final NCAA competition year, with Milkovich's numbers corrected. Sarcpello, Kilgore, Burley, and Goldman remain the most senior "single digit" guys that are not distinguished members. I think Jake Herbert is the most senior single digit guy that also has a world medal and Mocco is the most senior that made an Olympic team. For my next 4 I will say Scarpello, Burley, Herbert, Mocco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 On 6/6/2024 at 5:19 PM, Fadzaev2 said: Of the 4 listed at the top, I vote for Burley....4 time finalist, 2 time champ and was very exciting, especially vs. Randy Lewis....epic battles. Also, although not a big deal Milkovich's last year was 1976. Didn't Burley also stop defending champ Mike Land's long winning streak when Burley won it as a freshman? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunaticfringe Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Jayson Ness went 5,2,3,1 and sadly does not meet the criteria. Similar to Mark Ironside who just misses it. Ness lost to Hazewinkle in the semis and then lost to Escobedo in consi Semi(he never seemed to figure Angel out) and pinned Obe Blanc for 5th. Those pin points were big in the Gophers 3rd title in 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Jayson Ness went 5,2,3,1 and sadly does not meet the criteria. Similar to Mark Ironside who just misses it. Ness lost to Hazewinkle in the semis and then lost to Escobedo in consi Semi(he never seemed to figure Angel out) and pinned Obe Blanc for 5th. Those pin points were big in the Gophers 3rd title in 7 years.Jayson was one of the last great pinners though. He’d go the pin like a dog on a bone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 15 minutes ago, Lunaticfringe said: Jayson Ness went 5,2,3,1 and sadly does not meet the criteria. Similar to Mark Ironside who just misses it. Ness lost to Hazewinkle in the semis and then lost to Escobedo in consi Semi(he never seemed to figure Angel out) and pinned Obe Blanc for 5th. Those pin points were big in the Gophers 3rd title in 7 years. To be fair, my criteria was completely arbitrary. I am sure there are plenty of HOFers who do not meet it. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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