fishbane Posted October 12 Posted October 12 9 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: The fact that they are terrible at wrestling doesn't mean the locker room can't get a lot more toxic. Particularly since building culture gets real difficult if you can't hold the only talent on the team to the rules that need to be imposed on everyone else. I mean that's true, but you gotta look at the potential consequences of a toxic locker room. Toxic locker rooms make it difficult to retain and/or recruit talent. This is a non-factor. Toxic locker rooms can drag down the performance of the team. This is a non-factor. The only real threat is if Ferrari does something outright illegal and involves his teammates just a total implosion taking out multiple team members. It's a legit risk. So worst case you have to totally clean house and rebuild back to an 0-12 program. Sounds doable. 2
jackwebster Posted October 12 Posted October 12 One of the only pleasures of being a coach for a team with lots of room for improvement, I.e. a team that ain't very good, is the opportunity to have a direct impact on a kid's development. You might take a guy with a losing record, figure out a niche set of techniques that the he could master, and then get him to beat guys he wasn't supposed to beat. That's satisfying. I can't imagine being able to do anything of the kind with AF. What gratification could you get from cornering for him?
Hammerlock3 Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 9 hours ago, fishbane said: I mean that's true, but you gotta look at the potential consequences of a toxic locker room. Toxic locker rooms make it difficult to retain and/or recruit talent. This is a non-factor. Toxic locker rooms can drag down the performance of the team. This is a non-factor. The only real threat is if Ferrari does something outright illegal and involves his teammates just a total implosion taking out multiple team members. It's a legit risk. So worst case you have to totally clean house and rebuild back to an 0-12 program. Sounds doable. No the worst case is the program gets dropped, and sincee there is no way of turning in any real results as a team, its best if the admins at least think you have a bunch of pleasant guys who make grades and stay out of trouble. They're pretty close to the floor but it doesn't change the fact that if they are bringing in guys who make building culture impossible you are at best robbing peter to pay paul. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Camel Wrestling Fan Posted October 12 Posted October 12 2 minutes ago, jackwebster said: One of the only pleasures of being a coach for a team with lots of room for improvement, I.e. a team that ain't very good, is the opportunity to have a direct impact on a kid's development. You might take a guy with a losing record, figure out a niche set of techniques that the he could master, and then get him to beat guys he wasn't supposed to beat. That's satisfying. I can't imagine being able to do anything of the kind with AF. What gratification could you get from cornering for him? Teaching him to control his impulses. Showing him techniques to handle adversity without bringing harm to himself, team, or opponents. People evolve and mature at different times and in different ways. Some people go directly from point A to point B and are rightly praised for doing so. Others take the long winding road. I do not like giving up on young people. Full stop. How many chances should he get? As many as it takes to have him succeed. Too many people hope and cheer for failure. We have a recent world teamer who has been given many many Chances. He has been thru hell, drugs, violence, the criminal system, multiple colleges, but it seems he has been able to put it behind him and is taking things one day at a time. He is winning today and has won many "todays" of late and I could not be happier for him. My hope for AJ is to win today. 1
Old Dirty Posted October 13 Posted October 13 8 hours ago, jackwebster said: One of the only pleasures of being a coach for a team with lots of room for improvement, I.e. a team that ain't very good, is the opportunity to have a direct impact on a kid's development. You might take a guy with a losing record, figure out a niche set of techniques that the he could master, and then get him to beat guys he wasn't supposed to beat. That's satisfying. I can't imagine being able to do anything of the kind with AF. What gratification could you get from cornering for him? IMO, this is the most awesomest part of coaching. That and when a wrestler you coached saved another persons life 1 I miss my boy Cletus
jackwebster Posted October 13 Posted October 13 10 hours ago, Old Dirty said: That and when a wrestler you coached saved another persons life Ive had a two guys become drs and several soldiers though I can't say for sure if they directly saved lives. . . though I'm sure the servicemen risked theirs. But, I gotta think you're right: To play some small part in the development of a hero's story must be gratifying. 1
jackwebster Posted October 13 Posted October 13 (edited) 19 hours ago, Camel Wrestling Fan said: I do not like giving up on young people. Word. I teach high school, and when the little shits get me down my wife always reminds me, "They might be assholes, but there not fully formed assholes." I hope that is the case with AF. However, I get the sense that they're gonna need a team of CBT specialists, two on-call life coaches, a couple of emotional support pugs, a priest, and a medium to get in touch with Lacan and Freud as needed. Edited October 13 by jackwebster 2 2
fishbane Posted October 13 Posted October 13 23 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: No the worst case is the program gets dropped, and sincee there is no way of turning in any real results as a team, its best if the admins at least think you have a bunch of pleasant guys who make grades and stay out of trouble. They're pretty close to the floor but it doesn't change the fact that if they are bringing in guys who make building culture impossible you are at best robbing peter to pay paul. You're right again it could be worse, but let's not be so unimaginative that dropping the program is the worst thing that could happen. People could die. That car accident in Oklahoma could have killed someone. If he's learned nothing and continues driving in that manner he could kill someone in Bakersfield. I don't have any inside information, but from the outside it appears they are more than just bad. 2020-21: 0-2 2021-22: 2-10 2022-23: 1-11 2023-24: 0-12 Wrestlestat had them ranked 76 of 77 teams last year. They wrestled #67 American and got crushed 36-8. They wrestled #65 Hofstra and lost 29-9. That was the closest dial of the year. The thing about Hofstra and AU is that even though they are bottom 15 programs they win sometimes and they're good students. Both teams were in the top 20 in team GPA in D1. Bakersfield was not in the top 30 list published by the NWCA. With 77 teams in D1 it can be inferred that across D1 wrestling teams they have average to below average grades being ranked somewhere 31-77. Bakersfield's regular conference doesn't sponsor the sport and their wrestling affiliate conference has an uncertain future. I am sure it's an expensive problem to administer since it requires a lot of travel - only 4 schools in the state have teams at the D1 level, and I get the feeling they don't provide enough money to do it. No assistants coaches in mid October? That is crazy. I can't imagine the head coach suddenly thought they were unnecessary and could do it all himself. He's had assistants before so I suspect he either wasn't able to find anyone willing to do it for the compensation on offer or he eventually found someone, but the SID couldn't be bothered to update the website. Even the later isn't great. The team is such an after thought sports information doesn't update the website. But at the same time who could blame them? There is no recap of the 2024 PAC-12 championships on the website. You try writing a recap for a team where every wrestler went 0-3 (dead last) except one that went 1-2 and finished next to last. As I said before, taking Ferrari on is a risk vs reward proposition. The head coach would be best positioned to make that assessment and weigh the possibilities. He might be keeping him on a tight leash and plan to dismiss him at the first minor infraction so as to prevent a major issue that takes out the entire program. Or he may know that the program is currently circling the drain and will give Ferrari carte blanche to operate knowing that he might just win multiple NCAA titles, create a buzz on social media that leads to new recruits including possibly one of his brothers, and save the program. I can't think of an example where is a single student athlete has been blamed for a program being dropped, but I can think of one credited with saving a program.
Hammerlock3 Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 Just now, fishbane said: You're right again it could be worse, but let's not be so unimaginative that dropping the program is the worst thing that could happen. People could die. That car accident in Oklahoma could have killed someone. If he's learned nothing and continues driving in that manner he could kill someone in Bakersfield. I don't have any inside information, but from the outside it appears they are more than just bad. 2020-21: 0-2 2021-22: 2-10 2022-23: 1-11 2023-24: 0-12 Wrestlestat had them ranked 76 of 77 teams last year. They wrestled #67 American and got crushed 36-8. They wrestled #65 Hofstra and lost 29-9. That was the closest dial of the year. The thing about Hofstra and AU is that even though they are bottom 15 programs they win sometimes and they're good students. Both teams were in the top 20 in team GPA in D1. Bakersfield was not in the top 30 list published by the NWCA. With 77 teams in D1 it can be inferred that across D1 wrestling teams they have average to below average grades being ranked somewhere 31-77. Bakersfield's regular conference doesn't sponsor the sport and their wrestling affiliate conference has an uncertain future. I am sure it's an expensive problem to administer since it requires a lot of travel - only 4 schools in the state have teams at the D1 level, and I get the feeling they don't provide enough money to do it. No assistants coaches in mid October? That is crazy. I can't imagine the head coach suddenly thought they were unnecessary and could do it all himself. He's had assistants before so I suspect he either wasn't able to find anyone willing to do it for the compensation on offer or he eventually found someone, but the SID couldn't be bothered to update the website. Even the later isn't great. The team is such an after thought sports information doesn't update the website. But at the same time who could blame them? There is no recap of the 2024 PAC-12 championships on the website. You try writing a recap for a team where every wrestler went 0-3 (dead last) except one that went 1-2 and finished next to last. As I said before, taking Ferrari on is a risk vs reward proposition. The head coach would be best positioned to make that assessment and weigh the possibilities. He might be keeping him on a tight leash and plan to dismiss him at the first minor infraction so as to prevent a major issue that takes out the entire program. Or he may know that the program is currently circling the drain and will give Ferrari carte blanche to operate knowing that he might just win multiple NCAA titles, create a buzz on social media that leads to new recruits including possibly one of his brothers, and save the program. I can't think of an example where is a single student athlete has been blamed for a program being dropped, but I can think of one credited with saving a program. Tell me what the discussion is, to me it sounds like I'm saying "there are likely downsides to bringing in ferrari and it might even be a bad idea" and you're saying "No its definitely a good idea no matter what." "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Saylors_Tiny_Willie Posted October 14 Posted October 14 On 10/11/2024 at 11:14 PM, fishbane said: I mean that's true, but you gotta look at the potential consequences of a toxic locker room. Toxic locker rooms make it difficult to retain and/or recruit talent. This is a non-factor. Toxic locker rooms can drag down the performance of the team. This is a non-factor. The only real threat is if Ferrari does something outright illegal and involves his teammates just a total implosion taking out multiple team members. It's a legit risk. So worst case you have to totally clean house and rebuild back to an 0-12 program. Sounds doable. His antics could easily kill the program and salt the ground.
fishbane Posted October 15 Posted October 15 On 10/13/2024 at 11:13 AM, Hammerlock3 said: Tell me what the discussion is, to me it sounds like I'm saying "there are likely downsides to bringing in ferrari and it might even be a bad idea" and you're saying "No its definitely a good idea no matter what." That's not what I'm saying at all. There is significant risk for a top team to take him. And there is significant risk this could not work out at Bakersfield. Bakersfield just has a lot less to lose compared with PSU, Iowa, OSU, Ohio State, Cornell ect. There is also upside to bringing Ferrari in. The fact that he ended up at Bakersfield ranked 76/77 teams in D1 last season is evidence of the significant risk Ferrari brings with him. Somewhere around there is where the reward matches/exceeds the risk.
Hammerlock3 Posted October 15 Author Posted October 15 16 minutes ago, fishbane said: That's not what I'm saying at all. There is significant risk for a top team to take him. And there is significant risk this could not work out at Bakersfield. Bakersfield just has a lot less to lose compared with PSU, Iowa, OSU, Ohio State, Cornell ect. There is also upside to bringing Ferrari in. The fact that he ended up at Bakersfield ranked 76/77 teams in D1 last season is evidence of the significant risk Ferrari brings with him. Somewhere around there is where the reward matches/exceeds the risk. then what do you think I'm saying that seems to require rebuttal "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
BloodRound Posted October 15 Posted October 15 So what do we think of the fact that there's gonna be a Mr. Fast2witch song?
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 23 Posted October 23 1 hour ago, Idaho said: Things are heating up! I could not like that tweet any more than I do. 1 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Hammerlock3 Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 "the corniest and horniest" Rick Flair is still alive, we have to find him and get him to read this tweet. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
MPhillips Posted October 24 Posted October 24 2 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: Rick Flair "The Stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' n' dealin' son of a gun!" 1 3 .
Hammerlock3 Posted October 24 Author Posted October 24 9 minutes ago, MPhillips said: "The Stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' n' dealin' son of a gun!" "The horniest, corniest, car crashin, starocci bashin, restraining ordered, mask tournament champ!" 2 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
alex1fly Posted October 24 Posted October 24 18 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I could not like that tweet any more than I do. OMG right? Glad someone is finally trolling the troll.
TexRef Posted October 24 Posted October 24 15 hours ago, Caveira said: One of the best. If not the best. "I gotta be calm here." LMAO!
CHROMEBIRD Posted October 24 Posted October 24 17 hours ago, MPhillips said: "The Stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' n' dealin' son of a gun!" but AJ he's corny, he's horny demon-possessed like Sigourney thinks he can get to your knee his yappin just bores me double bird splits, rips his drawers, you see keep him at home indoors please 1 1
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