Was Chamizo screwed?

[Dogbone]

Chamizo will be going to the Last Chance Qualifier.   He claims its due to corruption.  Sure seems like a bad call to me. 

 

[Scouts Honor]

at first glance it appears time runs out when the guys knees were still up

and watching 3 more times... it should have been waved off.

no screw job

[1032004]

33 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

at first glance it appears time runs out when the guys knees were still up

and watching 3 more times... it should have been waved off.

no screw job

Yeah what is the specific rule here?  I know their knee (just one right?) needs to be down.  It appears his knee might hit but it’s before Chamizo gets behind?

[Scouts Honor]

yeah, i think the guy comes up to hands and feet before he is around... and then after it hits 0 goes down

[Truzzcat]

Even prior to the final sequence that I think was certainly a takedown the ref blew two likely takedowns dead because of cautions. Obviously the event taking place in Azerbaijan and it being a wrestler from that nation makes things even murkier.

[Tony Rotundo]

Looks like a TD with time left. Chamizo turns the corner, knee down, time on clock. Matt official calls 2. 

[nhs67]

This is one of those that if the call on the mat was a Takedown, it needs to stay a Takedown.  If it wasn't a Takedown it needs to remain not a Takedown.  Unless there is some sort of other evidence that we can obviously not see (which I imagine there is), then I see no way that either call could have been overturned with 'no reasonable doubt' being the criteria.

So yes, it appears Chamizo was absolutely pegged.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

Even prior to the final sequence that I think was certainly a takedown the ref blew two likely takedowns dead because of cautions. Obviously the event taking place in Azerbaijan and it being a wrestler from that nation makes things even murkier.

Isn't there a history with this happening in Azerbaijan, like more than in other places?

[Truzzcat]

20 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Isn't there a history with this happening in Azerbaijan, like more than in other places?

I think that Kolat wrestled an Azerbaijani in one of his infamous screw jobs where he had to re-wrestle the match, or they retroactively gave him a loss after the match.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

I think that Kolat wrestled an Azerbaijani in one of his infamous screw jobs where he had to re-wrestle the match, or they retroactively gave him a loss after the match.

OK... I just realized I was thinking of the wrong former Soviet republic anyway!

[CHROMEBIRD]

Looked like he was jobbed. Luckily we have 74kg qualified. I wonder what the OGLCQ field is looking like at that weight. This might be Chamizo's last Olympic cycle, no?

[Voice of the Quakers]

I mentioned this in my Twitter feed over the weekend...

This seems to me like a good old-fashioned hometown call from the best and worst days of FILA. We saw many of these in the 90s when tie bouts would go to a referee's decision after nine minutes.

That being said, I was stunned the referee initially awarded to the TD against Bayramov in the first place - if he waits a beat, then the officials could've more plausibly "confirmed" the no call after video review.

Including this Chamizo-Baymarov match, Azerbaijan qualifying their remaining five FS weights at their home tourney should be best described as...unusually coincidental.

 

 

Edited April 9 by Voice of the Quakers

[bnwtwg]

That was mighty close but Chamizo has played with fire for the entirety of his career and with Father Time banging on his door it caught up to him last weekend. He needs to come out with zest at last chance or he's going to be watching on Peacock with the rest of us

[CHROMEBIRD]

I believe he will have to watch it on Pavone in Italy

[1032004]

 

[nick]

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/39919940/wrestler-says-rejected-300k-bribe-throw-match-lost?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 hours ago, 1032004 said:

 

They must have thought he still represented Cuba.

[Doublehalf]

Call me naive but I think it's nuts this is going on in our sport but on second thought with a country like AZE, and the more blatant corruption in that part of the world, it shouldn't surprise me.

Just shitty that he didn't get the $300k anyhow after they literally stole that match from him. 

[Jim L]

10 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

Call me naive but I think it's nuts this is going on in our sport but on second thought with a country like AZE, and the more blatant corruption in that part of the world, it shouldn't surprise me.

Just shitty that he didn't get the $300k anyhow after they literally stole that match from him. 

At this point it is just alleged. I would not be surprised if it was real, but I would not take Chamizo's word as gospel either.

I assume there will an investigation

[CHROMEBIRD]

This is bananas. Just wow.

[uncle bernard]

On 4/8/2024 at 7:27 PM, Scouts Honor said:

at first glance it appears time runs out when the guys knees were still up

and watching 3 more times... it should have been waved off.

no screw job

you need to watch the entire full minute. the fix was clearly in. no idea why they didn't award the clear takedown earlier. confirmed by on mat official and first judge. third guy called them over (no challenge) and holds up the white paddle. inexplicable. UWW should overturn this and issue bans. 

you're also wrong about the final call anyway. no reaction time in freestyle. knee is down with chamizo fully behind.

[Scouts Honor]

i disagree.

the OP showed the video... and i answered.

if he thought the full minute was part of it..should have posted it. 

the guys knee is coming up as chamizo comes around

[gimpeltf]

Hard to see definitively given the lighting but when the commentator started saying one knee down (during the replay) then said right knee down, the right knee looked slightly up to me.
On a different note- the actual clock and the graphic clock were 0.1 seconds different.

[Fadzaev2]

On 4/8/2024 at 3:59 PM, Dogbone said:

Chamizo will be going to the Last Chance Qualifier.   He claims its due to corruption.  Sure seems like a bad call to me. 

looks like a takedown here with .5 seconds left.  There is no way the right knee is off the mat.

Edited April 13 by Fadzaev2

[Truzzcat]

official for this bout has suspended I wonder if Chamizo gets given the win.