CalWrestler Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Didn't UW select Bono over both Ben Askren or Damian Hahn like 6 years ago? Either Askren or Hahn would have been far better choices and the program would have been in much better shape. I'm not sure either guy would want the job if it became available, but I think either guy could get things turned around, with Askren probably more quickly as he could probably lure some AWA guys to transfer over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanMogen Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 If Askren starts coaching there, Iowa gets to be 3rd place at best for the foreseeable future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Wouldn’t whichever Askren brother people want to take over UW leaving AWA do long term damage to AWA, thus nullifying the potential advantages to getting an Askren on UW staff? Just thinking out loud here Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HungusMungus Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, poorwrestler said: Wouldn’t whichever Askren brother people want to take over UW leaving AWA do long term damage to AWA, thus nullifying the potential advantages to getting an Askren on UW staff? Just thinking out loud here Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nah, if one left they would be fine, they have head coaches at each location they wouldn’t miss a beat That said, I don’t think Bono gets canned, if Mac didn’t shitcan Gard , bozo is probably safe this year. They will most likely give him the annual one year extension. Alverez screwed up this hire, Mac has a chance to fix it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, poorwrestler said: Wouldn’t whichever Askren brother people want to take over UW leaving AWA do long term damage to AWA, thus nullifying the potential advantages to getting an Askren on UW staff? Just thinking out loud here Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I said that a couple pages ago i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatDane67 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Pritzlaff would be the ideal hire. 2x NCAA Champ at Wisconsin and has been one of the best assistant coaches in the country for a long time. He was an assistant at Wisconsin when they finished 4th. Not sure of the circumstances of him leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa morales Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) A.J. Ferrari, Sr. would be an excellent choice. Instant holes filled at 149, 174, 197 and the man knows how to develop champions. Edited March 29 by lisa morales 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Tannelli could be an interesting choice. He's done great work at Columbia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormMacDonald Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Cary Kolat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, NormMacDonald said: Cary Kolat This would be a very interesting hire. I feel like Kolat might be too principled to leave the Navy job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormMacDonald Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 18 minutes ago, wrestle87 said: This would be a very interesting hire. I feel like Kolat might be too principled to leave the Navy job. I think he belongs at a major wrestling school looking turn the corner. But yeah, there has to be something special about coaching at one of the military academies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 12 hours ago, wrestle87 said: This would be a very interesting hire. I feel like Kolat might be too principled to leave the Navy job. He left on weird terms from Wisconsin. Was assistant coach in late 90s when the Steiners were there and all three were still competing. Kolat left Wisconsin mid-season. Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 The coach Wisconsin should want is Trevor Brandvold. But f you guys you can’t have him! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 15 hours ago, NormMacDonald said: Cary Kolat Considering his history with Bono that would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, poorwrestler said: The coach Wisconsin should want is Trevor Brandvold. But f you guys you can’t have him! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Why not, he doesn't like money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Why not, he doesn't like money? Not money that smells of cheese and spotted cow Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 15 minutes ago, poorwrestler said: Not money that smells of cheese and spotted cow Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk he more likes the smell of gopher dung? Edited March 30 by ionel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 On 3/28/2024 at 5:25 PM, wrestle87 said: This is tough, are we talking about getting Wisconsin to actually kind of be a program again...or "who is the guy who can come in and make this amongst the best 3 teams in the nation?" In my entire lifetime, Wisconsin has always been the same kind of team...extremely inconsistent across the lineup, but always with a few dudes who the average ncaa qualifer wants nothing to do with. After a brief perusal of AA data, Wisconsin has only had 2 seasons since 1980 with more than 3 AA's, those was 2010 and 2011. The functional high-watermark for the program, which could be something that is an issue at the institutional level instead of the coaching level, is effectively 3 AA's. In that time span since 1980, Wisconsin has had 6 National Champions. Call me crazy badger fans...are you guys a little delusional when it comes to the actual historic strength and institutional support of your program? Yeah...BUT, there has been a substantial change in the prep talent in Wisconsin. The Askren's provided the infrastructure for these guys to all come and work out. That was a big problem in Wisconsin. The talent was spread out and there were few clubs. AND then on top of that, it's not like they just provided the buildings, each place has a coach who wrestled and had success in College save for...I guess where Messenbrink is, and he was one of the best coaches in the state...and an even better coach when talking about coaching the elite Wrestlers. The state didn't have much of that. That combo of just locations and then coaches who Wrestled at a high level have really changed the game in Wisconsin. So in theory, they should be able to do more than they have historically. It's been beaten to death already, but just going through and about what their lineup would look like, you could have just dominance on the upper half of the lineup with for arguments sake, '57-Messenbrink, '65 O'Toole, '74-Mocco, '84-Parker, '97-Buchhannan. Just that stretch right there would be pretty damn impressive. You could also have Barnett at '25, Clark at '33, keep Zargo at '49. That's a top 3 team right there. And I know Wisconsin's had some issues where their admissions is a pain in the ass, even with Wrestlers of O'Toole's caliber who they hadn't been able to get into UW in the past, but...I believe all these guys are really good students as well. I used O'Toole as an example because...I didn't want to be a dick and use a real example of someone who couldn't get in there. There's also as much talent still coming as there is already in College. Sinclair is absolutely on O'Toole/Messenbrink's level at this point, Hopke, the Mirasola's, Charlie Millard is an extremely impressive kid. There's a '74 Jake Stoefell who is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Just now, scourge165 said: Yeah...BUT, there has been a substantial change in the prep talent in Wisconsin. The Askren's provided the infrastructure for these guys to all come and work out. That was a big problem in Wisconsin. The talent was spread out and there were few clubs. AND then on top of that, it's not like they just provided the buildings, each place has a coach who wrestled and had success in College save for...I guess where Messenbrink is, and he was one of the best coaches in the state...and an even better coach when talking about coaching the elite Wrestlers. The state didn't have much of that. That combo of just locations and then coaches who Wrestled at a high level have really changed the game in Wisconsin. So in theory, they should be able to do more than they have historically. It's been beaten to death already, but just going through and about what their lineup would look like, you could have just dominance on the upper half of the lineup with for arguments sake, '57-Messenbrink, '65 O'Toole, '74-Mocco, '84-Parker, '97-Buchhannan. Just that stretch right there would be pretty damn impressive. You could also have Barnett at '25, Clark at '33, keep Zargo at '49. That's a top 3 team right there. And I know Wisconsin's had some issues where their admissions is a pain in the ass, even with Wrestlers of O'Toole's caliber who they hadn't been able to get into UW in the past, but...I believe all these guys are really good students as well. I used O'Toole as an example because...I didn't want to be a dick and use a real example of someone who couldn't get in there. There's also as much talent still coming as there is already in College. Sinclair is absolutely on O'Toole/Messenbrink's level at this point, Hopke, the Mirasola's, Charlie Millard is an extremely impressive kid. There's a '74 Jake Stoefell who is impressive. Oh...and as for the coach, it's obvious to me. The same guy MOST programs would hire right now if they could. You take Cunningham. Let the Askrens do their thing. You take a piece of PSU away...the guy a lot of people say is a co-head coach. And I know Sanderson has sacrificed a little salary to keep him there as he's such an enormous part of that program. IF you wanted to make a splash, you have someone who is willing to throw millions at the program. You try and pry him away. I'd assume he'd have the Askren's respect...there'd be a mutual respect there. Imagine the guys who'd come with him...which is not to say you'd have an exodus from PSU, but you'd get some guys he's close to as coaches...and then...PSU is going to have a team of backups that would probably win a team title(not really, but they have a little depth). I think the answer to this question for literally ANY program should be Cunningham. And at Wisconsin with the Askren's involved in AWA and almost disqualifying for that reason, it's an easy one. More realistic would be Trevor Brandvold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 21 hours ago, GreatDane67 said: Pritzlaff would be the ideal hire. 2x NCAA Champ at Wisconsin and has been one of the best assistant coaches in the country for a long time. He was an assistant at Wisconsin when they finished 4th. Not sure of the circumstances of him leaving. He was basically the HC in waiting...they started to have a little more success, Davis pushed the TL, Pritzlaff took an interview that wasn't approved IIRC, maybe he did it again, then he was basically let go. Don't see that being a good fit. On 3/29/2024 at 12:49 PM, poorwrestler said: Wouldn’t whichever Askren brother people want to take over UW leaving AWA do long term damage to AWA, thus nullifying the potential advantages to getting an Askren on UW staff? Just thinking out loud here Nah, I think they've build a good enough core of coaches...and really as, if not more importantly, the infrastructure that you could take any one coach out and you'd still have enough good coaches to keep it rolling. The AD has already(apparently) said it wouldn't be Ben as he's too controversial/outspoken. So you'd likely get Max. I'm making a LOOSE comparison here so please don't jump down my throat, but from what I've heard, there are SOME similarities between he and Sanderson in their mannerisms as coaches. How they keep guys relaxed, he's organized, he's less controversial(or not really controversial at all). I don't want people twisting that into saying I'm suggesting he'd be Cael, I just feel like you'd get a more laid back approach and guys Wrestling free...IF you were to pick one of the three main coaches at AWA(Messenbrink, Ben and Max). One last thought in these...TLTR posts, but I'd guess you're going to see former AWA guys who've had a LOT of success coming back and coaching at AWA as well. Maybe not everyone, but...a couple guys. So I don't think they'd see a drop off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyBadger Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) Even if they can’t lure a guy like Cunningham, I think a guy like Brandvold would be pretty successful. He’s a Wisconsin native who had a great career, has been coaching in college and must have good connections to Wisconsin high school coaches. @scourge165 do you know if Brandvold has a good relationship with Askren. If not, then maybe it’s not much better than Bono, but since Minnesota lands AWA guys I’d imagine he and Askren are on good terms. Edited March 30 by BuckyBadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Even if they can’t lure a guy like Cunningham, I think a guy like Brandvold would be pretty successful. He’s a Wisconsin native who had a great career, has been coaching in college and must have good connections to Wisconsin high school coaches. [mention=430]scourge165[/mention] do you know if Brandvold has a good relationship with Askren. If not, then maybe it’s not much better than Bono, but since Minnesota lands AWA guys I’d imagine he and Askren are on good terms.Brandvold has had a significant hand in recruiting Jager Eisch, Ethan Riddle, Charlie Millard, Wyatt Duchateau and any other AWA kids at Minnesota. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tigerfan Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I say let Bono stick around a few more years, let him show the ropes to Parker Keckheisen, then give PK the reigns. If he coaches like he wrestles, constant offense, rock solid positioning, stand out conditioning, etc. AWA connections and Schwab-induced intensity seems like an outstanding potential combination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 3/30/2024 at 4:23 PM, BuckyBadger said: Even if they can’t lure a guy like Cunningham, I think a guy like Brandvold would be pretty successful. He’s a Wisconsin native who had a great career, has been coaching in college and must have good connections to Wisconsin high school coaches. @scourge165 do you know if Brandvold has a good relationship with Askren. If not, then maybe it’s not much better than Bono, but since Minnesota lands AWA guys I’d imagine he and Askren are on good terms. I don't know either and haven't heard. But, as others mentioned, Minnesota has recruited AWA kids pretty well. So...it's apparently not a bad one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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