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7 minutes ago, mspart said:

Just what are you saying here TPT?

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That I understand why you use dishonest tactics and that I can recognize them. 

Again, sorry that you may have been convince by someone using them. Its a bummer. But you're not stuck. You can find your way out. If you want to, that is. 

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4 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

 

Maybe we need a little vigilante justice. The laws on the books are ridiculous. The homeowner is screwed. I would shut off the power to the house and the water. I might also hire a squatter to squat over squatter. Then i my go the Vigilante route.

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56 minutes ago, mspart said:

The fact that if Biden had applied and enforced current immigration law, these people wouldn't be here to commit crimes.   They shouldn't be here in any event.   But they were allowed in and have committed crimes against US citizens.  

It is not an appeal to emotion.   It is an appeal to truth and facts.   US immigration law depends on vetting people entering the US.   No one is being vetted that crosses the border which is a symptom of the fact that Biden has opted not to enforce border laws and regulations.  

Why do we have gangs from Central and South America operating in the streets of our big cities.   See above.   Again, not an appeal to emotion, but to facts and data. 

The same appeal regarding people who are not prosecuted for crimes but rather let go to go and commit more crimes and in cases kill people.   If they had prosecuted and convicted, their future crimes would not have happened.   We see this play out all over the country.  Woke ideaology has made the streets much more dangerous, not safer.  

Where would you rather be, Guiliani's NYC (low crime rate) or Adam's NYC (high crime rate)?   Enforce the law and avoid unnecessary malignant downstream effects.   We know this.   We  need to do this. 

mspart

Your first sentence says it all. It's actually very simple if you have the CS factor..

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37 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Where are the posts for all the times the US government has gone into a central or south American, African, Asian, or European country to, covertly, destabilize it in order to over throw a leader that would merely charge companies more for their natural resources and allowing dictators to take over and kill swaths of their own people? Causing the many of the negative economic situations they find themselves in now and having populations that would rather suffer a long journey to the country that put them in the position in the first place. 

See how that works? 

Your tactics are carp. Always have been. Always will be. They convinced you of a thing, once. Doesn't mean its actually the case. Just means YOU were convinced. 

I will continue to ask questions about bad ideas. Best you can do is change your mind, your tactics, or stop responding. 

You haven’t established that that’s what happened.  And you can’t, because there’s no proof that anything would be different for the people of any country that the U.S. has interacted with.  If the people were sold out, they were sold out by their own leaders, just like us. A very similar bill of goods was sold to Venezuelans by the socialist Hugo Chavez.  He ejected all the American oil companies and soon after oil production diminished.  It has never recovered.  Here you can see what it was like before, and what it is like now.  Something went wrong, can you tell what it was?

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47 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Where are the posts for all the times the US government has gone into a central or south American, African, Asian, or European country to, covertly, destabilize it in order to over throw a leader that would merely charge companies more for their natural resources and allowing dictators to take over and kill swaths of their own people? Causing the many of the negative economic situations they find themselves in now and having populations that would rather suffer a long journey to the country that put them in the position in the first place. 

See how that works? 

Your tactics are carp. Always have been. Always will be. They convinced you of a thing, once. Doesn't mean its actually the case. Just means YOU were convinced. 

I will continue to ask questions about bad ideas. Best you can do is change your mind, your tactics, or stop responding. 

if it wasn't clear prior, it's now official. you ain't bright.

your justification for not vetting and massive violence by illegal immigrants is that at one time the US government might have done bad things in their native country?

that's your rationale? 

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13 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You haven’t established that that’s what happened.  And you can’t, because there’s no proof that anything would be different for the people of any country that the U.S. has interacted with.  If the people were sold out, they were sold out by their own leaders, just like us. A very similar bill of goods was sold to Venezuelans by the socialist Hugo Chavez.  He ejected all the American oil companies and soon after oil production diminished.  It has never recovered.  Here you can see what it was like before, and what it is like now.  Something went wrong, can you tell what it was?

Now you get the importance of offering tangible evidence. 

Well done. 

Pew Pew Pew!

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37 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said:

 

You can also disable the heat pump or AC unit. If the house has natural gas you can put padlock on the meter outside. Just don't let them see you do it.

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25 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You haven’t established that that’s what happened.  And you can’t, because there’s no proof that anything would be different for the people of any country that the U.S. has interacted with.  If the people were sold out, they were sold out by their own leaders, just like us. A very similar bill of goods was sold to Venezuelans by the socialist Hugo Chavez.  He ejected all the American oil companies and soon after oil production diminished.  It has never recovered.  Here you can see what it was like before, and what it is like now.  Something went wrong, can you tell what it was?

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21 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

if it wasn't clear prior, it's now official. you ain't bright.

your justification for not vetting and massive violence by illegal immigrants is that at one time the US government might have done bad things in their native country?

that's your rationale? 

You can’t fix stupid. He’s screwed. 

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1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

That I understand why you use dishonest tactics and that I can recognize them. 

Again, sorry that you may have been convince by someone using them. Its a bummer. But you're not stuck. You can find your way out. If you want to, that is. 

I think what you mean to say is it is projection.

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45 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

if it wasn't clear prior, it's now official. you ain't bright.

your justification for not vetting and massive violence by illegal immigrants is that at one time the US government might have done bad things in their native country?

that's your rationale? 

To summarize the summary, your response is the point. You took my loaded question and tried to figure out the point I was trying to make by asking it.  That's not the way to ask an honest question. If your goal is to get an honest answer. 

It was however actual things that happened that we are and have been paying the price for either actively or passively for years. We don't acknowledge or try to make amends. We get in our durangos, wearing our wranglers, point our guns at the border and threaten the victims of, more or less, our actions from decades ago. 'But no one today was alive when all that happened so what do we have to apologies for?' My answer is, you're an idiot for even thinking that in a lame attempt at comforting yourself. 

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27 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

As you freely admit to being dishonest. 

Of course you came away with that.

You still don't know what a 'straw man' is despite utilizing the argument consistently? That tracks. 

Driving you crazy by using your own tactics to point out the hypocrisy in your point of view was fun. Glad you were here to participate. 

And now for something completely different. 

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9 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

Did you know?  Every minority group in the history of the world has won?  Yet they’re all oppressed.  🤦‍♂️ 

Being a martyr for your cause is success in a way. Not the ideal way. 

They were. Some still are. 

Just so you know, in case you haven't seen the vast amount of evidence in this and other similar threads, when someone pushes against the group, the group defends itself. Sometimes unjustly. They try to make the hold out; either leave or assimilate. Using a bunch of different tactics. They think having someone going against, what they feel, is the best interest of the group is dangerous. In so doing, justify harsher and harsher treatment of the minority of that group. 

Here, you can't actually do physical harm to me but still I won't relent. So its all in words and veiled or more obvious insults. Trying to downplay my responses or opinions without trying to read or understand them. You feel its not worth your time to engage. 

'A dumb person surrounds themselves with smart people. A smart person surrounds themselves with smart people that disagree with them.' (remember, I'm rubber and you're glue)

You have someone that disagrees with you. What is the point of calling me names? Other than to put on display for the world how, truly, weak your arguments are. I've pointed out each fallacy used over the various threads/discussions and at no point has anyone tried to remedy them or make different points/ arguments. 

Weak sauce. 

Do better. 

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38 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Of course you came away with that.

You still don't know what a 'straw man' is despite utilizing the argument consistently? That tracks. 

Driving you crazy by using your own tactics to point out the hypocrisy in your point of view was fun. Glad you were here to participate. 

And now for something completely different. 

Your ignorance is not evidence of anything else, just your ignorance.  No straw, no steel, no hair.  Just ignorance.  

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15 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Your ignorance is not evidence of anything else, just your ignorance.  No straw, no steel, no hair.  Just ignorance.  

Right, sure, whatever you say. I totally believe you came away from that understanding the nuance. 

But your loaded questions aren't evidence of anything either. Just that you were convinced by some bad arguments and now you are trying to pawn it off onto others. Get a better method that isn't so easily debunked. 

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