nhs67 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) Here is how I have the current crop of 97 KG gents tiered... and mind you it might be a bit 'off' but some of these guys are roofers... and some is speculation due to them not having much in results at the weight. Also a disclaimer, these aren't rankings or projections. The way I do my tiers (most know) is that I wouldn't be surprised to see someone defeat someone a tier above them or a tier below them. Tier 1 Kollin Moore, Ohio - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 2 Nathan Jackson, New Jersey - New York Athletic Club Tier 3 Eric Schultz, Illinois - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Jonathan Aiello, Virginia - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Jacob Warner, Iowa - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Anthony Cassioppi, Illinois - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 4 Timothy Dudley, South Carolina - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Lou DePrez, New York - Bearcat Wrestling Club Tier 5 Tyrie Houghton, North Carolina - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Morgan Smith, Washington - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Cole Mirasola, Wisconsin - Askren Wrestling Academy Duncan Lee, Iowa - Cyclone Regional Training Center C-RTC Other Entries Eulogio Rosino Dalmeida, Nebraska Austin Craig, Washington - 10 Year Active Athlete List Eric Gamble, Pennsylvania Sterling Hecox, Illinois Edited December 6, 2023 by nhs67 3 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Here is how I have the current crop of 97 KG gents tiered... and mind you it might be a bit 'off' but some of these guys are roofers... and some is speculation due to them not having much in results at the weight. Also a disclaimer, these aren't rankings or projections. The way I do my tiers (most know) is that I wouldn't be surprised to see someone defeat someone a tier above them or a tier below them. Tier 1 Kollin Moore, Ohio - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 2 Nathan Jackson, New Jersey - New York Athletic Club Tier 3 Eric Schultz, Illinois - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Jonathan Aiello, Virginia - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Jacob Warner, Iowa - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Anthony Cassioppi, Illinois - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 4 Timothy Dudley, South Carolina - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Lou DePrez, New York - Bearcat Wrestling Club Tier 5 Tyrie Houghton, North Carolina - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Morgan Smith, Washington - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Cole Mirasola, Wisconsin - Askren Wrestling Academy Duncan Lee, Iowa - Cyclone Regional Training Center C-RTC Other Entries Eulogio Rosino Dalmeida, Nebraska Austin Craig, Washington - 10 Year Active Athlete List Eric Gamble, Pennsylvania Sterling Hecox, IllinoisI'm just not sure if you're giving big Cass too much credit . I'm worried the offense, down a weight, might be too much . But otherwise, very fair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 *I'd have him with Dudley and DePrez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Spladle08 said: *I'd have him with Dudley and DePrez You think Morgan Smith and Duncan Lee have a good chance to beat him? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 If Cass is truly that light, me thinks he is not one of the 2 wrestlers with ongoing gambling appeals that Brands mentioned in his last press conference. I can't think why Cass would trim down to 215-225ish if he was planning on wrestling folkstyle heavyweights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 17 hours ago, Spladle08 said: 17 hours ago, nhs67 said: Here is how I have the current crop of 97 KG gents tiered... and mind you it might be a bit 'off' but some of these guys are roofers... and some is speculation due to them not having much in results at the weight. Also a disclaimer, these aren't rankings or projections. The way I do my tiers (most know) is that I wouldn't be surprised to see someone defeat someone a tier above them or a tier below them. Tier 1 Kollin Moore, Ohio - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 2 Nathan Jackson, New Jersey - New York Athletic Club Tier 3 Eric Schultz, Illinois - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Jonathan Aiello, Virginia - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Jacob Warner, Iowa - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Anthony Cassioppi, Illinois - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 4 Timothy Dudley, South Carolina - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Lou DePrez, New York - Bearcat Wrestling Club Tier 5 Tyrie Houghton, North Carolina - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Morgan Smith, Washington - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Cole Mirasola, Wisconsin - Askren Wrestling Academy Duncan Lee, Iowa - Cyclone Regional Training Center C-RTC Other Entries Eulogio Rosino Dalmeida, Nebraska Austin Craig, Washington - 10 Year Active Athlete List Eric Gamble, Pennsylvania Sterling Hecox, Illinois I'm just not sure if you're giving big Cass too much credit . I'm worried the offense, down a weight, might be too much . But otherwise, very fair Cass has a U23 gold and bronze medal. He will be extremely powerful at 197. Should be interesting to see how he does down there. He will be shredded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Does Cass have an actual weigh-in on Track from last season? I know he has transformed his body significantly but even if he was down to 240 last year then 213 is a brutal cut and if we are being honest it’s not like he has much experience with all that comes with cutting both pre and post weigh-in physically and mentally. The irony of Cass shrinking himself and Warner finally eating for the first time in six years is top tier. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: Does Cass have an actual weigh-in on Track from last season? I know he has transformed his body significantly but even if he was down to 240 last year then 213 is a brutal cut and if we are being honest it’s not like he has much experience with all that comes with cutting both pre and post weigh-in physically and mentally. The irony of Cass shrinking himself and Warner finally eating for the first time in six years is top tier. 251 and change at B1Gs. Year before he was 241 at the Collegiate Duals. He trimmed down quick after his frosh year. It was something like 30lbs in three months. There was a video leading up to his U23 Gold of him at 232 and ripped/jacked. My guess is he felt his power advantage diminish against the 255lb+ Kerk, so he wanted to add some size back or just didn't feel the need to be so light. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 hours ago, nhs67 said: 251 and change at B1Gs. Year before he was 241 at the Collegiate Duals. He trimmed down quick after his frosh year. It was something like 30lbs in three months. There was a video leading up to his U23 Gold of him at 232 and ripped/jacked. My guess is he felt his power advantage diminish against the 255lb+ Kerk, so he wanted to add some size back or just didn't feel the need to be so light. Are you saying he tried to add weight last year? That fits with the eye test. Still don't understand why he is cutting down to 97kg. Would be funny if entries change in the next few days and this all turned out to be an error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 57 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Still don't understand why he is cutting down to 97kg. He can't get past Steveson or Parris and Kerk and Hendrickson have firmly inserted themselves into the conversation. Might as well take a shot at giving the horsepower potential at 97. Cass would have been a multi-time NCAA champ, maybe even make a world team if he didn't wrestle during the heavyweight renaissance and he will never get the flowers he deserves. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Are you saying he tried to add weight last year? That fits with the eye test. Still don't understand why he is cutting down to 97kg. Would be funny if entries change in the next few days and this all turned out to be an error No not that he tried to add weight, just that he did add some back on. Edit: A couple years ago NYAC missed on a bunch of the weights entered, when they entered. They had ThugMassa G up at 86 KG (and that was one of the years he won 74 KG, too). So it happens. Typically it is sponsoring teams that sign up, if they have them, because they pay the fee(s). Edited December 8, 2023 by nhs67 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 7 hours ago, bnwtwg said: He can't get past Steveson or Parris and Kerk and Hendrickson have firmly inserted themselves into the conversation. Might as well take a shot at giving the horsepower potential at 97. Cass would have been a multi-time NCAA champ, maybe even make a world team if he didn't wrestle during the heavyweight renaissance and he will never get the flowers he deserves. What you say makes sense. I am just surprised that he is making the cut in a year where he was presumably planning on wrestling heavyweight. He probably learned about the impending suspensions around the same time that Brands did, sometime in May. Seems like he has trimmed a lot of weight since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: What you say makes sense. I am just surprised that he is making the cut in a year where he was presumably planning on wrestling heavyweight. He probably learned about the impending suspensions around the same time that Brands did, sometime in May. Seems like he has trimmed a lot of weight since then The last time he trimmed down to 232lbs (there is/was video proof of him stepping on a scale for this) was in 2021, when he won the U23 World Championships - the final was a 13-0 THRASHING of a gent from Greece. He weighed in at NCAAs that year at 263. You're talking a few months between for 30lbs. The history is there for him having done it already, so it shouldn't really be that much of a shock. If he knew in May that is seven months. Hell, even if he still planned on it, there were rumors of both him and Kerk descending towards 97 KG for Olympic Trials, anyways. I don't remember if those were before or after. Kerk has also trimmed off 15-20lbs and plans to get lighter, yet. Another factor is perhaps he didn't like how he felt last year (~255lbs) compared to two years ago (~240lbs). Come May he might have already been back to 240. What is 10-15lbs from there in even a few months for a big guy? It isn't like he is going to walk around at a weight he has never walked around at. I imagine his walk around is in the 230-235lb range leading up and he plans to cut from 225 to 97 KK (213.8lbs). "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 WCAP is in as of now. All the usual suspects there plus Morgan McIntosh (Penn State) as well. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 The last time he trimmed down to 232lbs (there is/was video proof of him stepping on a scale for this) was in 2021, when he won the U23 World Championships - the final was a 13-0 THRASHING of a gent from Greece. He weighed in at NCAAs that year at 263. You're talking a few months between for 30lbs. The history is there for him having done it already, so it shouldn't really be that much of a shock. If he knew in May that is seven months. Hell, even if he still planned on it, there were rumors of both him and Kerk descending towards 97 KG for Olympic Trials, anyways. I don't remember if those were before or after. Kerk has also trimmed off 15-20lbs and plans to get lighter, yet. Another factor is perhaps he didn't like how he felt last year (~255lbs) compared to two years ago (~240lbs). Come May he might have already been back to 240. What is 10-15lbs from there in even a few months for a big guy? It isn't like he is going to walk around at a weight he has never walked around at. I imagine his walk around is in the 230-235lb range leading up and he plans to cut from 225 to 97 KK (213.8lbs).What? Kerk weighed in at 254.something for the Lehigh dual. He’s never clocked in at more than 260, IIRC. And, only times he’s ever been “light” were when he was coming back from a staph infection that hospitalized him, his freshman year.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, Le duke said: What? Kerk weighed in at 254.something for the Lehigh dual. He’s never clocked in at more than 260, IIRC. And, only times he’s ever been “light” were when he was coming back from a staph infection that hospitalized him, his freshman year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Per what DT was talking about he was currently 15lbs less than last year and wanted to get a little lighter. Being as he weighed in at 256.2lbs at B1Gs, I took that as him being ~241.2lbs from DT himself. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocraTease Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) It's the last day to register if you want to be seeded. I see zero guys from the Penn State's starting lineup registered. I thought the plan (set forth by Cael) was to create a light schedule at the beginning of the year so that guys could train and compete to qualify for Olympic Trials. Thus far, no Bartlett, no Kerk, no Starrocci, no Truax, no Van Ness (out with injury), no one. BB, Truax, GK, and even CStarr can't simply assume they will win NCAAs and get the automatic qualifier. There are actually a few recruits registered—e.g., Sealey, Nasdeo, the Mirasola brothers. Edited December 10, 2023 by SocraTease 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 It's the last day to register if you want to be seeded. I see zero guys from the Penn State's starting lineup registered. I thought the plan (set forth by Cael) was to create a light schedule at the beginning of the year so that guys could train and compete to qualify for Olympic Trials. Thus far, no Bartlett, no Kerk, no Starrocci, no Truax, no Van Ness (out with injury), no one. BB, Truax, GK, and even CStarr can't simply assume they will win NCAAs and get the automatic qualifier. There are actually a few recruits registered—e.g., Sealey, Nasdeo, the Mirasola brothers.I’ve seen them register with minutes to go for previous events. That said, I don’t think many of them care if they are seeded or not. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 54 minutes ago, SocraTease said: It's the last day to register if you want to be seeded. I see zero guys from the Penn State's starting lineup registered. I thought the plan (set forth by Cael) was to create a light schedule at the beginning of the year so that guys could train and compete to qualify for Olympic Trials. Thus far, no Bartlett, no Kerk, no Starrocci, no Truax, no Van Ness (out with injury), no one. BB, Truax, GK, and even CStarr can't simply assume they will win NCAAs and get the automatic qualifier. There are actually a few recruits registered—e.g., Sealey, Nasdeo, the Mirasola brothers. Starocci can, and does, assume he will just win NCAAs. Has said this was his plan. 4 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 57 KG is interesting to me in the sense that it appears to be much less exciting with the current entries. You gents know and understand how I like to do my tiers... I wouldn't be surprised to see someone lose to someone one tier below them or defeat someone one tier above them. What makes 57 KG interesting is that because of there being seemingly nobody in Tier 3, that it essentially makes it a Three Horse Race, even if I see Lee as a tier above. What is also neat/interesting is that I don't see anybody from the next tier (Tier 4 because Tier 3 is empty) losing to anyone else currently entered nor do I see them challenging the Tier 2 gents. So aside from a deck, injury, or someone's fiance cheating on one of them... 57 KG is pretty boring. Tier 1 Spencer Lee, Iowa - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 2 Nick Suriano, New Jersey Nico Megaludis, Pennsylvania - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 3 <EMPTY> Tier 4 Brandon Courtney, Arizona - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Luke Lilledahl, Missouri - X-Calibur Athletics Wrestling Club Cooper Flynn, Tennessee - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Joshua Rodriguez, Pennsylvania - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Daniel DeShazer, Kansas - Gopher Wrestling Club - RTC Liam Cronin, Nebraska - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Tier 5 <EMPTY> Other Entries William Sprouse, California - Central Valley High School Wrestling Jakob Lyons, Oklahoma Lee Celestino, Texas - Cowboy/Cowgirl Wrestling Club Cael Nasdeo, Pennsylvania - Nittany Lion Wrestling Club Devan Turner, Indiana - Indiana RTC Michael Beets, Kentucky - Knights RTC Benyamin Kamali, Michigan - Olivet Wrestling Club Peter Del Gallo, Maine - South Side Wrestling Club 3 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 So Semi finals are Lee, Mega, Suriano, and some unnamed lower tier person. That guy will have a lot to celebrate, especially if he gets in the finals. He may even hold up a sign after winning that says nhs tiers suck!! I'm living proof. My guess is that won't happen, the win or the sign. Ha. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, mspart said: So Semi finals are Lee, Mega, Suriano, and some unnamed lower tier person. That guy will have a lot to celebrate, especially if he gets in the finals. He may even hold up a sign after winning that says nhs tiers suck!! I'm living proof. My guess is that won't happen, the win or the sign. Ha. mspart These would be my tiers - my own. They hold no weight insofar as seeding purposes. If they are using that jacked up PIN format, Lee might not even get the 1st seed again. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 65 KG is also interesting and deep AF. Mind you, I am human and might have messed up a bit here. I am okay with that. I already hear the "Kolodzik just beat DeSanto" crap. A ) DeSanto had already wrestled two badass matches that day and Kolodzik hadn't wrestled at all. B ) They're within one tier, so that is perfectly explainable. I just don't see anyone on McKenna's level right now. I only think Alirez, DeSanto, or Pantaleo will even (potentially) give him a match. Pantaleo is also an unknown. I am putting him there on faith and faith alone. Eierman could also end up being Tier 3, but he just hasn't looked like he has since his injuries started piling up - much like Kemereerererrerr. Tier 3 is jacked. I could see any of them taking second... or DNP. Seeding will play a huge part in this. McKenna likely gets the #1 seed, right? He could see Alirez, DeSanto and Pantaleo all before the finals. That would be wild and greatly reduce his chances at winning the tournament. Tier 1 Joseph McKenna, New Jersey - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 2 Andrew Alirez, Colorado - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Austin DeSanto, Pennsylvania - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Alec Pantaleo, Michigan - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 3 Patricio Lugo, Florida - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Matthew Kolodzik, New Jersey - New York Athletic Club Beau Bartlett, Pennsylvania - Nittany Lion Wrestling Club Luke Pletcher, Pennsylvania - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Seth Gross, Minnesota - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Anthony Ashnault, New Jersey - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Ian Parker, Virginia - Cavalier Wrestling Club Tier 4 Michael McGee, Illinois - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Dean Heil, Oklahoma - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Aden Valencia, California - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Jaydin Eierman, Missouri - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tyler Kasak, Pennsylvania - Nittany Lion Wrestling Club Tier 5 Christian Monserrat, Massachusetts - New York Athletic Club Other Entries Chase Daudelin, New York Aydin Matanane, Oklahoma Nathaniel Johnson, Arizona Jawid Azimi, Texas - Paradigm Wrestling Chandler Mazur, Colorado - Cornerstone Wrestling Club Grant Martsolf, Indiana Henry Porter, Indiana - Indiana RTC Timothy Levine, California - Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: If they are using that jacked up PIN format, Aren't they though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feet2back Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 3 hours ago, nhs67 said: 57 KG is interesting to me in the sense that it appears to be much less exciting with the current entries. You gents know and understand how I like to do my tiers... I wouldn't be surprised to see someone lose to someone one tier below them or defeat someone one tier above them. What makes 57 KG interesting is that because of there being seemingly nobody in Tier 3, that it essentially makes it a Three Horse Race, even if I see Lee as a tier above. What is also neat/interesting is that I don't see anybody from the next tier (Tier 4 because Tier 3 is empty) losing to anyone else currently entered nor do I see them challenging the Tier 2 gents. So aside from a deck, injury, or someone's fiance cheating on one of them... 57 KG is pretty boring. Tier 1 Spencer Lee, Iowa - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 2 Nick Suriano, New Jersey Nico Megaludis, Pennsylvania - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Tier 3 <EMPTY> Tier 4 Brandon Courtney, Arizona - Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club Luke Lilledahl, Missouri - X-Calibur Athletics Wrestling Club Cooper Flynn, Tennessee - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Joshua Rodriguez, Pennsylvania - Titan Mercury Wrestling Club (TMWC) Daniel DeShazer, Kansas - Gopher Wrestling Club - RTC Liam Cronin, Nebraska - Nebraska Wrestling Training Center Tier 5 <EMPTY> Other Entries William Sprouse, California - Central Valley High School Wrestling Jakob Lyons, Oklahoma Lee Celestino, Texas - Cowboy/Cowgirl Wrestling Club Cael Nasdeo, Pennsylvania - Nittany Lion Wrestling Club Devan Turner, Indiana - Indiana RTC Michael Beets, Kentucky - Knights RTC Benyamin Kamali, Michigan - Olivet Wrestling Club Peter Del Gallo, Maine - South Side Wrestling Club can't wait to see how Nicky New Hair does...I think he beats Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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