Anthony Cassar: "Cael keeps you grounded in your faith"

[meZYNbrink]

On 8/31/2023 at 12:01 PM, 1032004 said:

Mormons are Christians.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/christians?lang=eng

They are not. No ill will to the LDS church, but they have entirely different and contradictory beliefs. It's not as simple as catholics vs protestants.

[bnwtwg]

30 minutes ago, meZYNbrink said:

They are not. No ill will to the LDS church, but they have entirely different and contradictory beliefs. It's not as simple as catholics vs protestants.

So you're saying it's like every other religion?

[Gus]

57 minutes ago, meZYNbrink said:

They are not. No ill will to the LDS church, but they have entirely different and contradictory beliefs. It's not as simple as catholics vs protestants.

Catholics have more in common with Islam than bible believing Christianity. 

[Fan4Life]

1 hour ago, meZYNbrink said:

They are not. No ill will to the LDS church, but they have entirely different and contradictory beliefs. It's not as simple as catholics vs protestants.

Who gets to determine that?  Did you actually read this: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/christians?lang=eng?  The case that the Mormon church itself makes for being considered Christian seems pretty strong to me.  If the primary focus of your religion is a faith in Jesus Christ and his divinity and trying to follow his teachings, it seems like you should then be considered a Christian, regardless of what specific denomination you adhere to or the differences between them.

[Gus]

1 minute ago, Fan4Life said:

Who gets to determine that?  Did you actually read this: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/christians?lang=eng?  The case that the Mormon church itself makes for being considered Christian seems pretty strong to me.  If the primary focus of your religion is a faith in Jesus Christ and his divinity and trying to follow his teachings, it seems like you should then be considered a Christian, regardless of what specific denomination you adhere to or the differences between them.

The Mormons think that Jesus Christ was a created being. Bible believing Christianity thinks that Jesus Christ was God. Big difference friend. 

[bnwtwg]

28 minutes ago, Gus said:

The Mormons think that Jesus Christ was a created being. Bible believing Christianity thinks that Jesus Christ was God. Big difference friend. 

Reminds me of Airheads

 

[Fletcher]

18 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Dustin Plott:  “David Taylor encourages us to be…better Christians”

 

 

Keck helped by beating the hell out of him.

[MNRodent]

The Netflix series, American Primeval, gives an interesting and not exactly flattering view of Mormons in the 1800s. Brigham Young is one of the characters.

[Konquest]

On 8/30/2023 at 5:04 PM, Eagle26 said:

You all realize Cael is Mormon, right? And almost all of the wrestlers he coached are an entirely different religion than he is (only exception I can think of is Matt Brown). So he is clearly not promoting his own religion. Gus nailed it… he simply creates that atmosphere for his athletes and it clearly helps to believe in something bigger than yourself.

Barraclough?

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

Reminds me of Airheads

 

Definitely David Lee Roth. Give me a break with your Sammy Hagar.

[jackwebster]

2 hours ago, Gus said:

Bible believing Christianity

Real question: Is this a technical term? That is, is there a specific group of folks with a set of rules, assumptions, stipulations about the limits of their faith and practice that call themselves "Bible believing Christians"?

Edited yesterday at 07:47 PM by jackwebster

[Gus]

22 minutes ago, jackwebster said:

Real question: Is this a technical term? That is, is there a specific group of folks with a set of rules, assumptions, stipulations about the limits of their faith and practice that call themselves "Bible believing Christians"?

I am going to attempt to be concise here but what are widely considered the fundamentals of Christianity are beliefs in the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, the bible being the authority in all matters of faith and practice, salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone (not of works), the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Godhead (or trinity - one God in three persons). 

[jackwebster]

1 hour ago, Gus said:

I am going to attempt to be concise

Thanks for your patient reply. 

[Fan4Life]

Here's a pretty good non-biased explanation (in italics) that I stumbled on in Reddit regarding the Mormon Christian question:

Is Mormonism Christian? Why or why not?

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) have considered themselves Christian since the founding of the modern church in 1830, but many critics in other religious communities have claimed they are not. This question is directed to anyone within or without Christianity and their perspectives to what it means to be a follower of Christ.

As for the pro-Christian arguments: Mormons believe in and worship the biblical Christ, that he is the literal son of God, and shares in the Father's power and glory. They hold that the bible is the word of God as far as it has been translated correctly. They believe to have the restored gospel of Christ in its uncorrupted state, and that the church is the same organization that Christ himself established. They claim Jesus to be their personal and universal savior, that he died to fullfill the atonement of sin for the salvation and eternal life of man.

Counter arguments include Mormons rejecting the trinity, believing instead that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three separate beings and are one in purpose. They also deny the authority of the Nicene Creed, and all subsequent Christian doctrine as apostasy. Along with the Bible, Mormons have three other books they hold as scripture: The Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, and Doctrine and Covenants which some deem as blasphemous. Finally, they believe there to be living prophets that lead and guide the church via direct revelation from God, while mainstream Christians hold that the time of the prophets are over.

So what do you think? Is claiming and worshipping Christ enough to be considered Christians, or are there boxes that need to be checked to meet that qualification?

It seems pretty clear to me that the answer to this question is it depends on who you ask.  Those within and without mainstream Christianity who interpret the question based on the simple Webster's dictionary definition that a Christian is "one who professes belief in Jesus Christ" would consider Mormons to be Christian.  However, other mainstream Christian's employ a more rigorous definition and believe that the differences they see in Mormon beliefs from that of their own disqualify Mormons from being considered Christians.  Mormons themselves obviously consider themselves to be Christian (as reflected by the official name of their church, which includes Christ's name). 

[red viking]

Do the Mormons believe Jesus died for our sins and is the path to salvation? If so, they are Christian. 

No, I'm not gonna look it up myself because I don't care what they believe in. Just saying....

[Fan4Life]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

 Do the Mormons believe Jesus died for our sins and is the path to salvation? If so, they are Christian.             No, I'm not gonna look it up myself because I don't care what they believe in. Just saying....

Based on the above definition and this from the Mormon church's website (The Living Christ) which includes the following: Jesus is the Living Christ, the immortal Son of God. He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. He is the light, the life, and the hope of the world. His way is the path that leads to happiness in this life and eternal life in the world to come. 

Based on the above, I'd say they're definitely Christian.  But people obviously will argue it; and like you said, most probably don't care one way or the other how they're classified.

Edited 20 hours ago by Fan4Life

[bnwtwg]

Jesus had no wife and John Smith had many checkmate atheists

[SocraTease]

Edited 13 hours ago by SocraTease

[jackwebster]

2 hours ago, SocraTease said:

All hail the Edgelord!

[alex1fly]

I grew up in the Bible Belt and tried many churches. The Mormons were the only ones that looked into my eyes and said “you will go to Hell if you don’t join us”. The baptists, Catholics, presbys, Methodists, and Unitarians at least had the decency to say that behind my back, lol

 

[Hammerlock3]

On 1/29/2025 at 12:07 PM, Gus said:

Catholics have more in common with Islam than bible believing Christianity. 

this is the type of post that spurs a lot of useful conversation. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

32 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

this is the type of post that spurs a lot of useful conversation. 

It just wasn't worth responding to.  And I like Gus!

[Pin Head]

11 hours ago, SocraTease said:

Nothing new under the sun. If he were alive today, he would be a tenured professor at an Ivy League school

and have a show on MSNBC

[Hammerlock3]

28 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

It just wasn't worth responding to.  And I like Gus!

Yeah I can understand that this is the type of opinion that, if held, you have a responsibility to voice occasionally even if it doesn't have the tightest context. 

[jackwebster]

26 minutes ago, Pin Head said:

Nothing new under the sun. If he were alive today, he would be a tenured professor at an Ivy League school

and have a show on MSNBC

Jfc please assure us that you have never read Nietzsche. If you haven't, that's cool and your opinion is understandable as just some political yea-saying. If you have read Nietzsche and don't recognize his world historical genius, I don't know what to say except that you might be a moron.

Edited 2 hours ago by jackwebster