Should Tom Brands Be Fired?

[WrestlingRasta]

On 5/11/2023 at 10:10 AM, JVStateChamp said:

Tom Ryan is interesting in the fact he seems to excel in recruiting but his ability to develop talent has been questioned. I imagine when he leaves either Jaggers or Steiber will take over. 

Have a friend who has been real high on Jesse Mendez since beginning of HS (we’re from Indiana but no longer)

Aaanyway, he signed with Ohio State, I said no good dude. No good. Didn’t believe me. 
 

Just here recently he texted me randomly, “watching Mendez I feel like he’s regressed”. I didn’t say anything. 

[Laxhawk174]

3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

@Laxhawk174 I am embarrassed that there was an error in my prior posting that you shared on HR.

I had 2009 in my data twice, once labelled as 2010. Ugly.

Anyway, here is the corrected table. The conclusions remain the same. Brands/Iowa is the clear number two over the time period, but well ahead of third, and certainly not the kind of results that gets a coach fired.

 

The average points for Iowa including 2007-2009 becomes 92.0. 2010 was a good year for both Iowa and PSU relative to 2009. 

I will sin with data no more.

I love stuff like this, appreciate it! 

[WrestlingRasta]

On 5/11/2023 at 10:24 AM, PortaJohn said:

A lot of talk about DT coaching the Nits after Cael but I've always believed that Ohio State was the one school that could pluck him away from the PSU network

And spread the footprint of M2 in the process. 

[nhs67]

Hear me out guys: DT and Dake to Iowa to replace the Brands Bros...

If not, Metcalf and Schlatter.

[PortaJohn]

Just now, nhs67 said:

Hear me out guys: DT and Dake to Iowa to replace the Brands Bros...

If not, Metcalf and Schlatter.

aaand....now Cinnabon has his next topic

[nhs67]

Just now, PortaJohn said:

aaand....now Cinnabon has his next topic

***duck duck goose**.

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Have a friend who has been real high on Jesse Mendez since beginning of HS (we’re from Indiana but no longer)

Aaanyway, he signed with Ohio State, I said no good dude. No good. Didn’t believe me. 
 

Just here recently he texted me randomly, “watching Mendez I feel like he’s regressed”. I didn’t say anything. 

Don't read too much into the Kannon Webster loss - he is the real deal and will change the trajectory of Illinois. Mendez will be just fine.

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

“watching Mendez I feel like he’s regressed”.

He's not wrestling HS kids any longer.

He's fine.

[mspart]

You can't go back.  

mspart

[WrestlingRasta]

8 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

He's not wrestling HS kids any longer.

That actually was what I said to him. But, I don’t have high hopes for his development over the next four years. 

[MPhillips]

2 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I don’t have high hopes for his development over the next four years. 

Lots of folks share your opinion. I thought he had a good freshman season and he was cutting quite a bit. Looks like we're going to have to wait till after his RS to find out. 

[CementMixer]

On 5/10/2023 at 6:38 PM, PortaJohn said:

CementMixer...you put one hell of a rumor out there.  It's making the rounds on all the forums.  Either you'll go down as a legend or you're going to have to change your handle...a miss of this magnitude will stick with you.  It'll be JimmyCinnabon/Gobblin bad

We shall see

[billyhoyle]

7 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

@Laxhawk174 I am embarrassed that there was an error in my prior posting that you shared on HR.

I had 2009 in my data twice, once labelled as 2010. Ugly.

Anyway, here is the corrected table. The conclusions remain the same. Brands/Iowa is the clear number two over the time period, but well ahead of third, and certainly not the kind of results that gets a coach fired.

 

The average points for Iowa including 2007-2009 becomes 92.0. 2010 was a good year for both Iowa and PSU relative to 2009. 

I will sin with data no more.

Now do Zalesky over the time he was a coach.

[Wrestleknownothing]

17 minutes ago, billyhoyle said:

Now do Zalesky over the time he was a coach.

Are they talking about firing him, too? Haven't they done that enough?

[Eagle26]

Hear me out guys: DT and Dake to Iowa to replace the Brands Bros...
If not, Metcalf and Schlatter.

If metcalf goes to Iowa, does he bring Chittum with him?

[Idaho]

17 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Lots of folks share your opinion. I thought he had a good freshman season and he was cutting quite a bit. Looks like we're going to have to wait till after his RS to find out. 

Started out 15 -2 with losses to Latona and  RBY... wins over Cannon, Byrd, Ragusin, Foley

Went 6-7 down the stretch in Feb/March - Lost to Cannon and Byrd,but  beat Latona. Losses at the NCAA were to two AA - Mcgee 3-2 and Nagao 4-0. His "worst" loss all season was to Cannon. Overall a pretty decent freshman year. 

The results to me show the classic freshman wear down at the end added with weight. I think he will be fine. It's not like his losses were to chumps. 

[pokemonster]

6 hours ago, Idaho said:

Started out 15 -2 with losses to Latona and  RBY... wins over Cannon, Byrd, Ragusin, Foley

Went 6-7 down the stretch in Feb/March - Lost to Cannon and Byrd,but  beat Latona. Losses at the NCAA were to two AA - Mcgee 3-2 and Nagao 4-0. His "worst" loss all season was to Cannon. Overall a pretty decent freshman year. 

The results to me show the classic freshman wear down at the end added with weight. I think he will be fine. It's not like his losses were to chumps. 

Hopefully he continues to develop and doesn't follow the Kharchla path. I believe he was a top 5 recruit and looks to have just gotten worse, even in freestyle unfortunately. Any idea how Paddy G and the rest are progressing? 

[PortaJohn]

24 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Hopefully he continues to develop and doesn't follow the Kharchla path. I believe he was a top 5 recruit and looks to have just gotten worse, even in freestyle unfortunately. Any idea how Paddy G and the rest are progressing? 

Finishing 6th as a true freshman is now equal to regressing? Man, times have changed

[Idaho]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Finishing 6th as a true freshman is now equal to regressing? Man, times have changed

Burroughs sucks. 

[PortaJohn]

46 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Burroughs sucks. 

Definitely did. I also remember thinking after Quentin Wrights freshman year (finished 6th) and Zain Retherford (Finished 5th) how much they sucked also

Edited May 14, 2023 by PortaJohn

[pokemonster]

On 5/13/2023 at 5:47 PM, PortaJohn said:

Finishing 6th as a true freshman is now equal to regressing? Man, times have changed

Mendez? I said hopefully he continues to develop. Not that he has regressed or sucks.