Why don't teams post their own "content"?

[Max86]

Maybe some teams already do this (and some conferences do have their own cable channels) but why don't teams post their own matches and leave Flowrestling or Rofkin out of it? I don't know how much it would cost to put matches on YouTube or independent feeds, but wouldn't teams make some of that money back in contributions or goodwill?

[nhs67]

You're talking more responsibility for each institution.

As it is now, they allow whoever (Flo, ESPN, B1G+, ACCN, etc) to control the content and they (the school) gets a cut.

They also don't lose any money on the sports that turn a negative - which is basically every sport other than football.

If you leave it in the responsibility of the schools alone, we won't see wrestling because wrestling doesn't make money.

In a way, if you think about it, the schools allowing the conferences to do it is almost just that.  Each conference has it's own network now, right?

[Max86]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

You're talking more responsibility for each institution.

As it is now, they allow whoever (Flo, ESPN, B1G+, ACCN, etc) to control the content and they (the school) gets a cut.

They also don't lose any money on the sports that turn a negative - which is basically every sport other than football.

If you leave it in the responsibility of the schools alone, we won't see wrestling because wrestling doesn't make money.

In a way, if you think about it, the schools allowing the conferences to do it is almost just that.  Each conference has it's own network now, right?

I am not sure. Many churches and temples post their services on YouTube. They don't do it to make money. They do it to provide a service. The ones I have see have just one still camera. That would not work with sports. They'd have to do a bit more. But rather than see it as a way to make money--it won't-- they might see it a a service to their fans and alums.

[Idaho]

22 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

You're talking more responsibility for each institution.

As it is now, they allow whoever (Flo, ESPN, B1G+, ACCN, etc) to control the content and they (the school) gets a cut.

They also don't lose any money on the sports that turn a negative - which is basically every sport other than football.

If you leave it in the responsibility of the schools alone, we won't see wrestling because wrestling doesn't make money.

In a way, if you think about it, the schools allowing the conferences to do it is almost just that.  Each conference has it's own network now, right?

Exactly.... The university would have to set up video system ... create a quality product... then have a way to charge people to watch the dual who are not in live attendance as a paid attendee.  It's easier to have someone else do the whole thing. 

There are some duals produced by teams... sometimes on the Pac-12 site there will be a dual that says "produced by (insert team)" and you can watch for free. But that doesn't occur very often.  It's usually non-conference duals. 

[Jason Bryant]

College sports departments are over staffed in some places, understaffed in others. One part of that discrepancy is the promotion of Olympic/non-revenue sports. Schools will not spend money to lose more money any more than they have to. Putting stuff on ESPN+ or FloSports, usually through a conference (not school) contract will put some money back into those schools’ pockets. Much of those deals are about FB/MBB rights. Alaska-Anchorage puts its mens hockey games on YouTube for free, whereas the NCHC has its own conference streaming plan. I think Atlantic Hockey is with FloHockey. Big Ten is on BTN+ (mostly) and believe a number of Hockey East games are on ESPN+.

Wrestling isn’t alone with splintering how things get viewed. Of all those I listed, I can guarantee Alaska-Anchorage is the only place that isn’t getting some type of nominal kickback from a streaming deal. Anchorage is also a D1 hockey independent, so they don’t have the luxury of a conference contract.

I’ve also learned while tracking attendance, some schools won’t even “staff” that task … and wrestling is one of the more difficult sports for staff to walk in and be able to cover since it’s so nuanced.

Wrestling piggybacking conference streaming contracts is better for the regular season viewing with “wildcat” tournaments picking their streaming option just being part of the landscape.

[jross]

23 minutes ago, Max86 said:

I am not sure. Many churches and temples post their services on YouTube. They don't do it to make money. They do it to provide a service. The ones I have see have just one still camera. That would not work with sports. They'd have to do a bit more. But rather than see it as a way to make money--it won't-- they might see it a a service to their fans and alums.

How does a church pay its bills?  Members.  How can a church engage its flock and potentially attract new paying members?  Videos.

[MadMardigain]

With the NILs going on you would think the athletes would be asking the university to get as much content out there as possible.  The more exposure they have the more people are likely to follow them and/or paid partners taking notice.  I get most are not making bank on college wrestling but being able to even get a little extra i will keep a few athlete interested at continuing their athletic/academic career at your university rather than look at the opportunities elsewhere.  

[ionel]

3 hours ago, Max86 said:

Maybe some teams already do this (and some conferences do have their own cable channels) but why don't teams post their own matches and leave Flowrestling or Rofkin out of it? I don't know how much it would cost to put matches on YouTube or independent feeds, but wouldn't teams make some of that money back in contributions or goodwill?

Well they did.  So if your favorite team was on the road wrestling Minny you could sign up for gopher video and great news this meant you could also watch volleyball, and who doesn't wanta watch female rodents playing volleyball.  If your team then traveled to Iowa St you could then sign up for Clone service and also watch all the clone softball you wanted.  Course many of us wrestling fans just wanta watch wrestling.  Flo saw a market there, only problem is they refused to listen to the customer or upgrade UI/UX etc leaving the door open.  Personally I wish everyone was on the ESPN+.  There are still other smaller programs doing it on their own sometimes picked up by others for the big matches, see Lehigh & Bucknell this weekend.  

[Max86]

5 hours ago, ionel said:

Well they did.  So if your favorite team was on the road wrestling Minny you could sign up for gopher video and great news this meant you could also watch volleyball, and who doesn't wanta watch female rodents playing volleyball.  If your team then traveled to Iowa St you could then sign up for Clone service and also watch all the clone softball you wanted.  Course many of us wrestling fans just wanta watch wrestling.  Flo saw a market there, only problem is they refused to listen to the customer or upgrade UI/UX etc leaving the door open.  Personally I wish everyone was on the ESPN+.  There are still other smaller programs doing it on their own sometimes picked up by others for the big matches, see Lehigh & Bucknell this weekend.  

Well, I was thinking that you'd be able to watch your favorite team's home matches. Unlike hockey, a wrestling match can be filmed with a single camera. I also figure that colleges could get students to do play-by-play (maybe former high school wrestlers, maybe even backups from the varsity team-- good experience for them). Cameras and streaming equipment can be purchased for a few grand. All in all, it would not be very different from Flo (or Flo circa 2016).

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Max86 said:

Well, I was thinking that you'd be able to watch your favorite team's home matches. Unlike hockey, a wrestling match can be filmed with a single camera. I also figure that colleges could get students to do play-by-play (maybe former high school wrestlers, maybe even backups from the varsity team-- good experience for them). Cameras and streaming equipment can be purchased for a few grand. All in all, it would not be very different from Flo (or Flo circa 2016).

Like said, thats been done, we moved on from there, but check the Lehigh & Bucknell from this weekend, video was fine but announcing pretty lame.  You have to have score info also, single camera is not gonna do it.

[MPhillips]

29 minutes ago, ionel said:

check the Lehigh & Bucknell from this weekend, video was fine but announcing pretty lame.  You have to have score info also, single camera is not gonna do it.

Check MI vs UNC that was on ESPN+ today. It was all a trainwreck. When it doesn't matter it's very obvious.

[ionel]

10 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Check MI vs UNC that was on ESPN+ today. It was all a trainwreck. When it doesn't matter it's very obvious.

I was viewing at the start, camera shooting thru backstop net (they couldve taken it down correct?) no time or score info, appeared only the one high camera view & then announcing.  I didn't make it thru half of first match, decided I needed to clean my bike drive train before the next ride.  Yeah you'd think MIvUNC was gonna be good. 

Am assuming this was a venue thing cause I've watched a lot on ESPN+ and they've generally been good.

Edited November 13, 2022 by ionel

[BerniePragle]

I like it, whether it "makes sense" or not.  I would assume pretty much all D1 schools have an AV/Theater program.  The school could give independent study credits for manning/womanning the camera and mic.  And there are always kids who like to d*ck around with computers to edit and upload the content.  Syracuse U has pretty much the best broadcast journalism program in the country.  Oh, they don't have a wrestling program anymore...

It's always easy to figure out how not to do something.  I worked with many people who that was their "core competency".

Edited November 13, 2022 by BerniePragle

[Idaho]

2 hours ago, BerniePragle said:

Syracuse U has pretty much the best broadcast journalism program in the country.  Oh, they don't have a wrestling program anymore...

When your network is owned and operated by ESPN your journalism program doesn't get much say. 

 

2 hours ago, BerniePragle said:

t's always easy to figure out how not to do something.

Conferences have TV deals .... teams in the conferences are part of that TV deal... sometimes it doesn't matter what you want or don't want to do.  With that being said, I am sure some of the mid- small conference teams could do a better job filling in the gaps. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

3 hours ago, ionel said:

Like said, thats been done, we moved on from there, but check the Lehigh & Bucknell from this weekend, video was fine but announcing pretty lame.  You have to have score info also, single camera is not gonna do it.

The same could be said for the B1G+ streams... they're still offering us the "illegal fist to the back" guys (and similar) as announcers.

University kids, with tech as cheap as it is and using virtually unlimited campus bandwidth, can easily do everything B1G+, Flo, and Rokdudes do. YES - I said "easily".

What they haven't shown any ability to do, though, is announce.

Seems like an opportunity to partner for someone with a certain set of skills...

[Jason Bryant]

I've suggested for years that BTN pair a pro with a rookie for a season. Then you have a new crew of people who can then be versed in the sport and then train the next generation. Now that BTN proper is owned by Fox, we get their contract guys (like Ray Flores) who have to do a set # of events in their contract for Fox, and BTN events get lumped in there. I've lived in Big Ten country for 10 of the last 13 years and have gotten a call ONE time to work at Minnesota for something - the Day 1 stream of the National Duals in like 2013 just when I moved back. 

I would have loved an opportunity like Student U. when I was in college. I had two TV games before I graduated college - one as a sideline reporter for Comcast Sports Net and another for a locally produced women's basketball game where I had no color or even on-screen clock. That WAS my TV sizzle reel. The amount of reps these Big Ten guys get these days is so valuable. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Jason Bryant

[bnwtwg]

15 hours ago, Max86 said:

I am not sure. Many churches and temples post their services on YouTube. They don't do it to make money. They do it to provide a service. The ones I have see have just one still camera. That would not work with sports. They'd have to do a bit more. But rather than see it as a way to make money--it won't-- they might see it a a service to their fans and alums.

Many churches around me charge 10% fee

[nick]

10 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

The same could be said for the B1G+ streams... they're still offering us the "illegal fist to the back" guys (and similar) as announcers.

University kids, with tech as cheap as it is and using virtually unlimited campus bandwidth, can easily do everything B1G+, Flo, and Rokdudes do. YES - I said "easily".

What they haven't shown any ability to do, though, is announce.

Seems like an opportunity to partner for someone with a certain set of skills...

I did commentating for the first time last year for Bellarmine's home meets, wayyyy harder than I would have ever thought it would be. I took more of the color approach while my partner did the play by play, but with wrestling since it happens so fast and in spurts, it was hard to transition well

[Jason Bryant]

So was it confirmed Max86 was yet another alias of NJDan/Brooklyn Dodger? That makes sense as to why he'd be immediately dismissive of people who actually know what they're talking about. I'd have noticed it if there was an "if true" line. 

[Mike Parrish]

3 hours ago, Jason Bryant said:

So was it confirmed Max86 was yet another alias of NJDan/Brooklyn Dodger? That makes sense as to why he'd be immediately dismissive of people who actually know what they're talking about. I'd have noticed it if there was an "if true" line. 

 

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

On 11/14/2022 at 9:41 AM, Jason Bryant said:

So was it confirmed Max86 was yet another alias of NJDan/Brooklyn Dodger? That makes sense as to why he'd be immediately dismissive of people who actually know what they're talking about. I'd have noticed it if there was an "if true" line. 

I think I know his new username, but I will refrain from sharing at this point because 1.) I am not certain, 2.) It is not clear to me that he should be banned just because he is a pain in the ass.

[ionel]

On 11/13/2022 at 7:26 AM, Max86 said:

Maybe some teams already do this (and some conferences do have their own cable channels) but why don't teams post their own matches and leave Flowrestling or Rofkin out of it? I don't know how much it would cost to put matches on YouTube or independent feeds, but wouldn't teams make some of that money back in contributions or goodwill?

If you wanted to see an example of this and the why not, last night's Mizzu v ASU was a good case.  It was put out for free thru the P12 network but think it was a ASU local production.  Good video & announcers, no clock or score info on screen, and only got to see ~3/4 of every match as had connection issues and would go to ~1 minute commercial during match, rarely caught the beginning of a match.  Streaming these types of events takes a company that knows what they are doing not random university undergrad communication programs.  

[Idaho]

43 minutes ago, ionel said:

If you wanted to see an example of this and the why not, last night's Mizzu v ASU was a good case.  It was put out for free thru the P12 network but think it was a ASU local production.  Good video & announcers, no clock or score info on screen, and only got to see ~3/4 of every match as had connection issues and would go to ~1 minute commercial during match, rarely caught the beginning of a match.  Streaming these types of events takes a company that knows what they are doing not random university undergrad communication programs.  

They must have made 2 billion in advertising last night. All I know is that I now believe in miracles. 

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Idaho said:

They must have made 2 billion in advertising last night. All I know is that I now believe in miracles. 

I went out and bought a case of Bud Light before breakfast.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

33 minutes ago, ionel said:

I went out and bought a case of Bud Light before breakfast.  

did I get it right?