How Big a Deal is Joel Adams?

[Max86]

Michigan signed Joel Adams, a U17 world champ-- but in Greco. https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26247?

What kind of track record do junior world champs in Greco have when they wrestle in D1?

[Wrestleknownothing]

[Idaho]

Definitely more success if you are a heavyweight - Cadet and Juinor Greco World Champs since 2000 - Jacob Folsom , Cohlton Schultz , Garrett Lowney, Kamal Bey, 

He made it clear when he announced that he was taking a gap year and his focus would be training to make the 2024 Greco Olympic team. One of the main reasons he chose Michigan was because of his greco training. 

[treep2000]

Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong.  Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well.  Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU.  Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1.

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, treep2000 said:

Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong.  Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well.  Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU.  Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1.

They've been great Buckeyes. Teams need these kind of guys. 

[treep2000]

2 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

They've been great Buckeyes. Teams need these kind of guys. 

Fair, if you're asserting that Adams will be a good backup. 

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, treep2000 said:

Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong.  Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well.  Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU.  Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1.

Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury).

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Chavez was a 2013 Cadet World Greco-Roman bronze medalist, who has been on four age-group World teams, two as a Cadet (2013 in both styles) and two as a Junior (2014 and 2015). He qualified for his first Senior National Team in 2017, when he placed third in the Greco-Roman World Team Trials and second in the U.S. Open. Chavez was also a University Nationals Greco-Roman runner-up in 2017.

Chavez was an NCAA Div. I All-American for Cornell last year, placing seventh at 165 pounds.

Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction):

Cornell vs Buffalo

 

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by BigRedFan

[treep2000]

8 hours ago, BigRedFan said:

Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury).

Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction):

Cornell vs Buffalo

 

 

Fair... i did say "tend" to not mix well.  I also reserved the right to be wrong.  However, we do see a much higher correlation (posted previously by numerous posters, Flo, etc.) that show success at age level freestyle international tournies/championships and NCAA success.  

[DocBB]

He wasn't great at Super 32's. Pure speculation but I think Ryan went with Brock Herman who flipped to Ohio State shortly before Adams announced. Could be Ryan chose Herman or maybe knew Adams wasn't coming.

 

Kyle Parco is probably a reasonable comparison as to how high might be expected to place at NCAA's eventually...mid to low AA IMO. Omania might be his floor.

Edited November 10, 2022 by DocBB

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, DocBB said:

Omania might be his floor.

It still bothers me that MSU doesn't try someone else at the weight.  Anybody.

Hell, they let a better guy transfer out.

To me it appears they pet whoever is winning in the room get the go.  They should take the approach tOSU takes as far as results against other gents.

[KCMO2]

15 hours ago, Idaho said:

Definitely more success if you are a heavyweight - Cadet and Juinor Greco World Champs since 2000 - Jacob Folsom , Cohlton Schultz , Garrett Lowney, Kamal Bey, 

Lowney had 3 junior national titles in freestyle also, which played a big role in his college success (a 3rd and 5th place finish at nationals).

[PortaJohn]

Greco guys have much better success at the MMA level than college folkstyle

[Idaho]

Schultz has definitely used his greco skills to an advantage in folkstyle. WIth his size and upper body positions he has been able to neutralize and shut down some guys. It's definitely an advantage with heavy. 

[Idaho]

1 hour ago, KCMO2 said:

Lowney had 3 junior national titles in freestyle also, which played a big role in his college success (a 3rd and 5th place finish at nationals).

Definitely... Lowney was very athletic - Great competitor!

[TexRef]

18 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Do you also have many leather bound books too? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

54 minutes ago, TexRef said:

Do you also have many leather bound books too? 

I bet you know how my apartment smells too.

[mspart]

18 hours ago, BigRedFan said:

Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury).

Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction):

Cornell vs Buffalo

 

 

Wow!!!   Nice throw and totally legit in Folkstyle rules.

mspart

[BerniePragle]

18 hours ago, BigRedFan said:

Jon Jay Chavez was an AA for Cornell and qualified for the Senior World Championships in Greco (withdrew due to injury).

Just for grins to see what a Greco specialist brings to folkstyle, go to 1:25:45 in this video (with audio for the crowd reaction):

Cornell vs Buffalo

 

 

I think the UB wrestler was Noah Grover, also a very good GR wrestler.

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, BerniePragle said:

I think the UB wrestler was Noah Grover, also a very good GR wrestler.

You are correct!

165: #16 John Jay Chavez (C) won by fall over Noah Grover (UB), 3:40

I love the crowd that, for just a moment, thought Grover was going huge.  Unfortunately, they were right.

[MPhillips]

47 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

I love the crowd that, for just a moment, thought Grover was going huge. 

He was set up nicely. Cheers for the video. 

[Husker_Du]

23 hours ago, treep2000 said:

Not a big deal... until I'm proven wrong.  Good greco guys and ncaa folk tend to not mix well.  Look at the Koontz Bros. At tOSU.  Very solid greco guys, but backups at best at ncaa d1.

Joel Adams is very much more than a 'good greco guy'. He won Fargo in FS, made Cadet FS World Team Trials finals, and made finals of S32 in folk. The Koontz brothers are not a good comparison. 

[Husker_Du]

13 hours ago, DocBB said:

He wasn't great at Super 32's. Pure speculation but I think Ryan went with Brock Herman who flipped to Ohio State shortly before Adams announced. Could be Ryan chose Herman or maybe knew Adams wasn't coming.

 

Kyle Parco is probably a reasonable comparison as to how high might be expected to place at NCAA's eventually...mid to low AA IMO. Omania might be his floor.

He took 6th at S32 and was 2nd last year.

IDK what Adams has to do with Herman/tOSU but that's not true. 

Adams and Herman were both in the same bracket in May and Adams was 2nd and Herman 5th.

Herman's losses were to kasak and manville. manville just beat Herman again in Folk last weekend. 

[treep2000]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

Joel Adams is very much more than a 'good greco guy'. He won Fargo in FS, made Cadet FS World Team Trials finals, and made finals of S32 in folk. The Koontz brothers are not a good comparison. 

Hope you're right.  Love being wrong when guys outperform expectations. 

[Ban Basketball]

How Big OF a Deal is Joel Adams?